Is there any report of loosing a mast of a Hunter 336 in bad weather conditions ?
And why is this fraccional rig ä pain in the ass ?

The cheapest fiberglass boat has
enough hull strength, fiberglass is tremendously strong compared to
its predecessor, wood.


not even close to true. a.) cheap fiberglass boats are not "strong enough" for
anything other than lite conditions, and b.) pound for pound wood is stronger.
In fact, glass over plywood is *much* stronger than glass.

The cheapest fiberglass boat has
enough hull strength, fiberglass is tremendously strong compared to
its predecessor, wood.


not even close to true. a.) cheap fiberglass boats are not "strong enough" for
anything other than lite conditions, and b.) pound for pound wood is stronger.
In fact, glass over plywood is *much* stronger than glass.

It's fairly easy to prove that
tripod rigs are *stronger* than conventional rigs because of reduced
catenary forces

nope. and you don't know the meaning of the word "catenary".

a backstayless rig can indeed do the job under conditions for which the boat is
designed but it NOT stronger than convential rigs (of the same size and weigh)
and "catenary forces" have nothing to do with it.

It's fairly easy to prove that
tripod rigs are *stronger* than conventional rigs because of reduced
catenary forces

nope. and you don't know the meaning of the word "catenary".

a backstayless rig can indeed do the job under conditions for which the boat is
designed but it NOT stronger than convential rigs (of the same size and weigh)
and "catenary forces" have nothing to do with it.

(Keith) wrote in message . com...
Is there any report of loosing a mast of a Hunter 336 in bad weather conditions ?
And why is this fraccional rig ä pain in the ass ?

I'm reading alot of crap from people who havn't sailed a hunter rig
with no back stay, I would like to say from first hand experience
that it is just fine, I have a h-26 water ballast and it is a three
point system that hunter built before the B&R rig came out and i've
seen the B&R and its seems better engineered than mine. We sailed it
for 6 weeks in feb and march in the northern bahamas, walker key,
abacos, grand bahamma and back to fla.
we had seas at 20+ feet and winds at 35-40 kt. I was knocked down and
beat to death by the tiller in some small rollers at don't rock near
treasure key, but
the rig was and is still solid. So don't be afraid of the three point
design, it gives you room for a massive sail roach like the americas
cup racers and the guys that build them know what they're doing.

(Keith) wrote in message . com...
Is there any report of loosing a mast of a Hunter 336 in bad weather conditions ?
And why is this fraccional rig ä pain in the ass ?

I'm reading alot of crap from people who havn't sailed a hunter rig
with no back stay, I would like to say from first hand experience
that it is just fine, I have a h-26 water ballast and it is a three
point system that hunter built before the B&R rig came out and i've
seen the B&R and its seems better engineered than mine. We sailed it
for 6 weeks in feb and march in the northern bahamas, walker key,
abacos, grand bahamma and back to fla.
we had seas at 20+ feet and winds at 35-40 kt. I was knocked down and
beat to death by the tiller in some small rollers at don't rock near
treasure key, but
the rig was and is still solid. So don't be afraid of the three point
design, it gives you room for a massive sail roach like the americas
cup racers and the guys that build them know what they're doing.

ah, the water in the Bahamas is way too shallow to support 20 foot waves.

But other than that, nice story to impress dock boys with.

From: (sailorb)
Date: 2/20/2004 5:21 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

(Keith) wrote in message
.com...
Is there any report of loosing a mast of a Hunter 336 in bad weather
conditions ?
And why is this fraccional rig ä pain in the ass ?

I'm reading alot of crap from people who havn't sailed a hunter rig
with no back stay, I would like to say from first hand experience
that it is just fine, I have a h-26 water ballast and it is a three
point system that hunter built before the B&R rig came out and i've
seen the B&R and its seems better engineered than mine. We sailed it
for 6 weeks in feb and march in the northern bahamas, walker key,
abacos, grand bahamma and back to fla.
we had seas at 20+ feet and winds at 35-40 kt. I was knocked down and
beat to death by the tiller in some small rollers at don't rock near
treasure key, but
the rig was and is still solid. So don't be afraid of the three point
design, it gives you room for a massive sail roach like the americas
cup racers and the guys that build them know what they're doing.

ah, the water in the Bahamas is way too shallow to support 20 foot waves.

But other than that, nice story to impress dock boys with.

From: (sailorb)
Date: 2/20/2004 5:21 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

(Keith) wrote in message
.com...
Is there any report of loosing a mast of a Hunter 336 in bad weather
conditions ?
And why is this fraccional rig ä pain in the ass ?

I'm reading alot of crap from people who havn't sailed a hunter rig
with no back stay, I would like to say from first hand experience
that it is just fine, I have a h-26 water ballast and it is a three
point system that hunter built before the B&R rig came out and i've
seen the B&R and its seems better engineered than mine. We sailed it
for 6 weeks in feb and march in the northern bahamas, walker key,
abacos, grand bahamma and back to fla.
we had seas at 20+ feet and winds at 35-40 kt. I was knocked down and
beat to death by the tiller in some small rollers at don't rock near
treasure key, but
the rig was and is still solid. So don't be afraid of the three point
design, it gives you room for a massive sail roach like the americas
cup racers and the guys that build them know what they're doing.

So, are you a structural engineer, numb-nuts? If so, let's have some data
and references. Furthermore, find me one documented case of a modern
cruising sailboat "breaking up" at sea. It's allegedly weak hull just
breaking apart.

Or is it once again the case that you, like every other asshole walking the
dock, have an opinion?

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
The cheapest fiberglass boat has
enough hull strength, fiberglass is tremendously strong compared to
its predecessor, wood.


not even close to true. a.) cheap fiberglass boats are not "strong
enough" for
anything other than lite conditions, and b.) pound for pound wood is
stronger.
In fact, glass over plywood is *much* stronger than glass.