There are lots of places where people sail and it's difficult to see a
thunderstorm coming - ask the folks that got slammed down on Lake
Norman a few years ago. And there are many places where the potential
exists every day in the summer - that's not, as they say,
"action-able" information. I would suggest using any and every source
of information available.

E

(JAXAshby) wrote in message ...
jeff, ONLY a sailor of training wheels is totally oblivious to an approaching
thunderstorm until 10 minutes before it arrives. The rest of us know their
potential exists for that particular day well before we cast off, and we can
see one developing for a couple hours or more. This ain't rocket science,
except to those floating on training wheels (who be definition are scared
squatless of the water).

I used cell phone radar last season, and it came in handy. Aside from the
obvious advantage of
having an hour or two's notice of t-storms, rather than 10 minutes, its nice
to be able to plan
shore trips, etc.

There are lots of places where people sail and it's difficult to see a
thunderstorm coming

bull****. Thunderstorm clouds go as high as 60,000 feet sometimes, which means
they can be seen up to 300 nm away. Even 10,000 foot high clouds can be seen
up to 122 nm away. Can't see that coming?

And there are many places where the potential
exists every day in the summer

thunderstorms don't form inside of 30 seconds. You *KNOW* they are coming, if
one just pays attention.

Right, Jaxie, a line squall isn't visible at a distance through the warm, humid
air the precedes it. And fast moving lines often don't develop the tradition
"anvils," and when they do occur they pop up fairly quickly. When a front is
coming through, its nice to be able to visualize the "prefrontal squall line" to
know what's coming.

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
There are lots of places where people sail and it's difficult to see a
thunderstorm coming

bull****. Thunderstorm clouds go as high as 60,000 feet sometimes, which
means
they can be seen up to 300 nm away. Even 10,000 foot high clouds can be seen
up to 122 nm away. Can't see that coming?

And there are many places where the potential
exists every day in the summer

thunderstorms don't form inside of 30 seconds. You *KNOW* they are coming, if
one just pays attention.

you're right, jeffie, thunderstorms appear out of nowhere and do so in less
than 9.87595957595 minutes. Do spend money on a service to tell you a
thunderstorm in coming 'cuz you shore ain't never gonna tell othewise.
Thunderstorms, theys God's way of tellin' ya hes gonna getcha.

On the other hand, some people feel thunderstorms are Darwin's way of improving
the breeding stock.

Right, Jaxie, a line squall isn't visible at a distance through the warm,
humid
air the precedes it. And fast moving lines often don't develop the tradition
"anvils," and when they do occur they pop up fairly quickly. When a front is
coming through, its nice to be able to visualize the "prefrontal squall line"
to
know what's coming.

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
There are lots of places where people sail and it's difficult to see a
thunderstorm coming

bull****. Thunderstorm clouds go as high as 60,000 feet sometimes, which
means
they can be seen up to 300 nm away. Even 10,000 foot high clouds can be
seen
up to 122 nm away. Can't see that coming?

And there are many places where the potential
exists every day in the summer

thunderstorms don't form inside of 30 seconds. You *KNOW* they are coming,
if
one just pays attention.

you're right, jeffie, thunderstorms appear out of nowhere and do so in less
than 9.87595957595 minutes. Do spend money on a service to tell you a
thunderstorm in coming 'cuz you shore ain't never gonna tell othewise.
Thunderstorms, theys God's way of tellin' ya hes gonna getcha.

On the other hand, some people feel thunderstorms are Darwin's way of improving
the breeding stock.

Right, Jaxie, a line squall isn't visible at a distance through the warm,
humid
air the precedes it. And fast moving lines often don't develop the tradition
"anvils," and when they do occur they pop up fairly quickly. When a front is
coming through, its nice to be able to visualize the "prefrontal squall line"
to
know what's coming.

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
There are lots of places where people sail and it's difficult to see a
thunderstorm coming

bull****. Thunderstorm clouds go as high as 60,000 feet sometimes, which
means
they can be seen up to 300 nm away. Even 10,000 foot high clouds can be
seen
up to 122 nm away. Can't see that coming?

And there are many places where the potential
exists every day in the summer

thunderstorms don't form inside of 30 seconds. You *KNOW* they are coming,
if
one just pays attention.

Right, Jaxie, a line squall isn't visible at a distance through the warm, humid
air the precedes it. And fast moving lines often don't develop the tradition
"anvils," and when they do occur they pop up fairly quickly. When a front is
coming through, its nice to be able to visualize the "prefrontal squall line" to
know what's coming.

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
There are lots of places where people sail and it's difficult to see a
thunderstorm coming

bull****. Thunderstorm clouds go as high as 60,000 feet sometimes, which
means
they can be seen up to 300 nm away. Even 10,000 foot high clouds can be seen
up to 122 nm away. Can't see that coming?

And there are many places where the potential
exists every day in the summer

thunderstorms don't form inside of 30 seconds. You *KNOW* they are coming, if
one just pays attention.

Your trig may be correct as far as the altitude is concerned but
practically speaking, you can rarely see anything 300 nm away.

I would agree they don't tend to come up on you in 10 minutes but it
may take a lot longer than 10 minutes to get to a safe
harbor/dock/anchorage.

Eric

(JAXAshby) wrote in message ...
There are lots of places where people sail and it's difficult to see a
thunderstorm coming

bull****. Thunderstorm clouds go as high as 60,000 feet sometimes, which means
they can be seen up to 300 nm away. Even 10,000 foot high clouds can be seen
up to 122 nm away. Can't see that coming?

And there are many places where the potential
exists every day in the summer

thunderstorms don't form inside of 30 seconds. You *KNOW* they are coming, if
one just pays attention.

Eric, I suggest that the potential for thunderstorms is fully apparent on days
where a thunderstorm might develop. In fact, the the weather bureau forecasts
such, often starting the day before. In addition, thunderstorms develop of a
period of time, meaning they are no surprise when they hit. The problem some
sailors have is that the winds and such are so nice right up until the storm
breaks, so they ignore that it is likely to break in about 30 minutes or
whatever. If a boat and/or sailor are not up to the effort, then the sailor
should makes plans as how to handle the situation. Thunderstorms can produce
winds of 90+ knots for a short period of time. You need to get your sails down
and get yourself in a protected from the north cove and/or give yourself a mile
or more of searoom to the south.

Your trig may be correct as far as the altitude is concerned but
practically speaking, you can rarely see anything 300 nm away.

I would agree they don't tend to come up on you in 10 minutes but it
may take a lot longer than 10 minutes to get to a safe
harbor/dock/anchorage.

Eric

(JAXAshby) wrote in message
...
There are lots of places where people sail and it's difficult to see a
thunderstorm coming

bull****. Thunderstorm clouds go as high as 60,000 feet sometimes, which
means
they can be seen up to 300 nm away. Even 10,000 foot high clouds can be
seen
up to 122 nm away. Can't see that coming?

And there are many places where the potential
exists every day in the summer

thunderstorms don't form inside of 30 seconds. You *KNOW* they are coming,
if
one just pays attention.

Eric, I suggest that the potential for thunderstorms is fully apparent on days
where a thunderstorm might develop. In fact, the the weather bureau forecasts
such, often starting the day before. In addition, thunderstorms develop of a
period of time, meaning they are no surprise when they hit. The problem some
sailors have is that the winds and such are so nice right up until the storm
breaks, so they ignore that it is likely to break in about 30 minutes or
whatever. If a boat and/or sailor are not up to the effort, then the sailor
should makes plans as how to handle the situation. Thunderstorms can produce
winds of 90+ knots for a short period of time. You need to get your sails down
and get yourself in a protected from the north cove and/or give yourself a mile
or more of searoom to the south.

Your trig may be correct as far as the altitude is concerned but
practically speaking, you can rarely see anything 300 nm away.

I would agree they don't tend to come up on you in 10 minutes but it
may take a lot longer than 10 minutes to get to a safe
harbor/dock/anchorage.

Eric

(JAXAshby) wrote in message
...
There are lots of places where people sail and it's difficult to see a
thunderstorm coming

bull****. Thunderstorm clouds go as high as 60,000 feet sometimes, which
means
they can be seen up to 300 nm away. Even 10,000 foot high clouds can be
seen
up to 122 nm away. Can't see that coming?

And there are many places where the potential
exists every day in the summer

thunderstorms don't form inside of 30 seconds. You *KNOW* they are coming,
if
one just pays attention.

On 31 Jan 2004 08:51:40 -0800, (Eric) wrote:
Don't expect to recognize a towering cu-nim anvil at 300 nm from a low
blip on the horizon on a crystal clear day,
In fact try not to argue with fools, as a general rule.

Brian Whatcott

Your trig may be correct as far as the altitude is concerned but
practically speaking, you can rarely see anything 300 nm away.

I would agree they don't tend to come up on you in 10 minutes but it
may take a lot longer than 10 minutes to get to a safe
harbor/dock/anchorage.

Eric