On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 10:44:40 -0500, "Scotty" wrote:

Some people roll me, and some get rolled by me.


You *ARE* responsible for your wake!


It's part of boating and being on the water.

It's a part of BAD boating, and being on the water with
ignorant, arrogant power boaters.

Nonsense. Have you ever seen the wake from a freighter or fast tug
boat? If so you'll never complain about sportfish or motoryachts.

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 10:44:40 -0500, "Scotty"
wrote:

Some people roll me, and some get rolled by me.


You *ARE* responsible for your wake!


It's part of boating and being on the water.

It's a part of BAD boating, and being on the water with
ignorant, arrogant power boaters.

Nonsense. Have you ever seen the wake from a freighter or
fast tug
boat? If so you'll never complain about sportfish or
motoryachts.



Big ships and tugs don't pass within 20 feet at full speed
like some stinkpotters do.

"Scotty" wrote in message
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 10:44:40 -0500, "Scotty"
wrote:

Some people roll me, and some get rolled by me.


You *ARE* responsible for your wake!


It's part of boating and being on the water.

It's a part of BAD boating, and being on the water with
ignorant, arrogant power boaters.

Nonsense. Have you ever seen the wake from a freighter or
fast tug
boat? If so you'll never complain about sportfish or
motoryachts.



Big ships and tugs don't pass within 20 feet at full speed
like some stinkpotters do.





Exactly. In fact, the tugs going along as powerboats and not working are
quite courteous. They get it. I've been on the ocean and had a tanker change
course to go around us... following the rules as he should have. We hailed
him and thanked him.


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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:31:25 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

Nonsense. Have you ever seen the wake from a freighter or fast tug
boat? If so you'll never complain about sportfish or motoryachts.

I believe that aircraft carriers have the biggest wakes. What with 300
000 HP. Freighters, and tankers only come in HP under 100 000, all
single screw diesels, although many are bigger than a flattop. A
submarine at full power on the surface will also move lots of water.

Casady

"Richard Casady" wrote:

I believe that aircraft carriers have the biggest wakes. What with
300
000 HP. Freighters, and tankers only come in HP under 100 000, all
single screw diesels, although many are bigger than a flattop. A
submarine at full power on the surface will also move lots of water.

Can't comment on any of the above; however, the bow wave generated by
a 1,000 ft ore boat, loaded out at 60,000 tons of iron ore, can be
felt for miles.

One of the reasons these boats travel in the middle of the lake.

Lew

Lew Hodgett wrote:
"Richard Casady" wrote:

I believe that aircraft carriers have the biggest wakes. What with
300
000 HP. Freighters, and tankers only come in HP under 100 000, all
single screw diesels, although many are bigger than a flattop. A
submarine at full power on the surface will also move lots of water.

Can't comment on any of the above; however, the bow wave generated by
a 1,000 ft ore boat, loaded out at 60,000 tons of iron ore, can be
felt for miles.

One of the reasons these boats travel in the middle of the lake.

Huh? I live at junction of the St. Lawrence and Lake Ontario, (just
east of Carlton Island on Wolfe Island if want to check it out), I can
assure you that they travel pretty damn close to the shore here!

Cheers
Marty

"Marty" wrote:

Huh? I live at junction of the St. Lawrence and Lake Ontario, (just
east of Carlton Island on Wolfe Island if want to check it out), I
can
assure you that they travel pretty damn close to the shore here!

Those are "Salties", AKA: Baby boats.

1,000 ft ore boats never see L Ontario.

From what I remember, there are/were no steel mills along the St
Lawrence.


Lew

On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 20:13:59 -0800, "Lew Hodgett"
wrote:


"Marty" wrote:

Huh? I live at junction of the St. Lawrence and Lake Ontario, (just
east of Carlton Island on Wolfe Island if want to check it out), I
can
assure you that they travel pretty damn close to the shore here!

Those are "Salties", AKA: Baby boats.

1,000 ft ore boats never see L Ontario.

From what I remember, there are/were no steel mills along the St
Lawrence.

Last time I checked there were 29 lakers that were too big to get out
of the lakes. As for the steel mills the big bulk carriers also haul
coal and stone. There is a market for the coal and stone where there
are no steel mills although the steel mills do use both.

"Richard Casady" wrote:

Last time I checked there were 29 lakers that were too big to get
out
of the lakes. As for the steel mills the big bulk carriers also haul
coal and stone. There is a market for the coal and stone where there
are no steel mills although the steel mills do use both.

The 1,000 ft one are strictly ore boats, which were only a wet dream
until the Eisenhower locks were built at the "Sue" in the late 50s.

The Canadians haul most of the stone and coal using old (small) boats
purchased from US fleets.

Can't think of anyplace along Ontario or St Lawrence that has a use
for either stone or coal.

Alcoa at Massinas/p might use some coal.

Lew

Lew Hodgett wrote:
"Marty" wrote:

Huh? I live at junction of the St. Lawrence and Lake Ontario, (just
east of Carlton Island on Wolfe Island if want to check it out), I
can
assure you that they travel pretty damn close to the shore here!

Those are "Salties", AKA: Baby boats.

1,000 ft ore boats never see L Ontario.

From what I remember, there are/were no steel mills along the St
Lawrence.



Well, there are no steel mills on the St Lawrence, but there's plenty of
iron ore pellets transported there. Remember the Edmund Fitzgerald?

You're right, not 1000 ft, but 800' pretty damn close, 25,000 tons or
more of cargo.

You were the one who wrote
" One of the reasons these boats travel in the middle of the lake"

Sure they spend some time in the middle of the lake, but only if the
shortest distance from A to B puts them there for a while.

Cheers
Marty