On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 11:50:34 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
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On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 11:59:17 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
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As an aside, the first Farr 40 my wife saw didn't impress her one
little bit. No back on the cockpit and a stupid little one burner
stove?

Women are the primary reason why so many sailboats today are such poor
excuses as boats. The little woman does not have any idea about what
things should take priority. About the difference between a good boat
and a poor boat. To women a big apartment-size galley is a must have.
And a big bathroom with hot shower and vanity and lots of lights for
putting on make-up. Also a very large dinette is a must so she can
cook
and entertain. And a refrigerator/freezer (stand up, of course).

Never mind the boat won't sail. Never mind the cockpit's impossible
large. Never mind the tankage puts the boat well below her lines.
Never
mind you can't get to the motor because kitchen cabinets are built all
around it. Never mind you have to ship two thousand pounds of
batteries
and inverters to run her blow dryer, clothes dryer, and microwave.
Never
mind all those large dangerous windows she's just got to have so it
looks like a house from inside. Nope, just built a boat like a
floating
apartment and the women will say. "That's the one I want." You know
what's really more disgraceful than this? It's the man who knows he's
buying a piece of crap but does it anyway just to please the little
woman.

Wilbur Hubbard

Willie, you know so little about boats that it is very difficult to
discuss them with you.

I mentioned in my post that this was a Farr 40, which is one of the
most successful boats that have ever been designed,

It is an all out racing boat.

It has an open cockpit, nearly a third of the length of the boat to
give the helmsman and rope handlers plenty of room.

It has a small galley because these people are racing, not eating
gourmet meals and extra equipment makes the boat weigh more.

There are large areas of the deck where carbon fiber is used and they
don't paint these areas -- to save weight.

The running back stays have the cover stripped off the kevlar core
from just above the height that a crew member can reach up to the mast
because the cover has weight that isn't needed and as one of the crew
said, "that cover missing up there is equal to one more man sitting on
the rail.

Their battery bank is just large enough to keep the nav lights and
instruments going for the length of the race.

The tanks are as small as possible and in the better crewed boats the
length of the race X an adequate amount of water per man per day is
all that is carried.

The better crews also weigh each man's gear before they bring it
aboard and if you are over weight you take out enough to get the load
down to the limit - say, 5 pounds - or they don't load your bag.

But then, as Malcolm Forbes said, "The dumbest people I know are those
who know it all."



You must have some rather odd fetishes as you seem to like to put your
foot in your mouth so much.


It would be helpful if you took a little time to learn how to read. Then
you need to take some more time to ruminate upon what you've read.
Perhaps if you take my advice you will not jump to erroneous conclusions
that make you appear a little daft with such startling regularity.

I did not cast aspersions upon the Farr. I think it's a fine boat
because it puts the priorities right. First, it's a sailboat. That's how
things should go down.

The comment in another post was that some dippy woman hated it because
it only had a one-burner stove. This brought to mind how good boats like
the Farr would not sell to any couple because the woman would not have
it because of the lack of "amenities" and the wimpy man, rather than put
his foot down and say, "I don't care what YOU want, woman! I'm getting
the Farr because first it's a sailboat. If you want a floating condo
then forget it. Just stay home and enjoy your amenities. They don't
belong in a boat because a boat that has them all can hardly get out of
its own way! Now, shut your pie hole before I slap it shut!!!"

Do you get it now? Or are you one of those pussy-whipped men who are
afraid of your own wife?

Wilbur Hubbard


Willie boy, talking with you is about like stomping on cockroaches.
You are zigzagging this way, you're zigzagging that way.

If you take the time to read the message you will see that I said was
"As an aside, the first Farr 40 my wife saw didn't impress her one
little bit. No back on the cockpit and a stupid little one burner
stove?"

You immediately went into your tirade about women - and how they
effected sail boat design. From your remarks you didn't appear to know
what a Farr 40 is as you preceded to describe a boat that is almost
exactly the opposite to a Farr design.

Which differences I then took the trouble to explain to you so you
wouldn't make such a ass of yourself again by mistaking a Farr racing
boat for a family cruiser.

And how do you repay my kindness in trying to make you look just a
little bit less like a fool?

No Thank you". Just another anti female tirade.

Willie boy, with all your anti-female ranting and raving I'm having a
little bit of trouble in getting a handle on your preferences ......



Bruce in Bangkok
(brucepaigeATgmailDOTcom)

On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 09:45:42 +0700, wrote:

Willie boy, with all your anti-female ranting and raving I'm having a
little bit of trouble in getting a handle on your preferences ......

Me too. Although I might be called a "sensitive" type with women,
treating them with love and respect, were I a brute I would still want
a woman with me. I am, after all, a man.

--Vic

On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 22:52:58 -0500, Vic Smith
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On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 09:45:42 +0700, wrote:

Willie boy, with all your anti-female ranting and raving I'm having a
little bit of trouble in getting a handle on your preferences ......

Me too. Although I might be called a "sensitive" type with women,
treating them with love and respect, were I a brute I would still want
a woman with me. I am, after all, a man.

--Vic


Yes, and as somebody or another said, "you can catch more flies with
honey then with vinegar".

Bruce in Bangkok
(brucepaigeATgmailDOTcom)

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Willie boy, talking with you is about like stomping on cockroaches.
You are zigzagging this way, you're zigzagging that way.

Not so. I speak directly to the issue at had which is how modern-day
sailboats are designed, to the detriment of what counts most - the
ability to sail well, because the design includes what women think a
boat is all about which is being a floating nest for all their womanly
wonts.

Furthermore, I pointed out that this is NOT the case with the Farr as
the design team's priorities stress sailing performance attained at the
expense of the type of accomodation women like.

If you call this zig-zagging then perhaps you're gazing at that big
doobie with the zig-zag paper wrap???


If you take the time to read the message you will see that I said was
"As an aside, the first Farr 40 my wife saw didn't impress her one
little bit. No back on the cockpit and a stupid little one burner
stove?"

Nonsense, it wasn't an 'aside;' it was your main point. The boat was not
enough of a floating home to satisfy her. So you overlooked a boat that
sails well and is a competent, fast voyager because it wasn't what the
little woman would be comfy with.


You immediately went into your tirade about women - and how they
effected sail boat design. From your remarks you didn't appear to know
what a Farr 40 is as you preceded to describe a boat that is almost
exactly the opposite to a Farr design.

What some call a tirade others might well call fact gleaned from
experience and verified by numerous observations. The Farr 40 is a fast
boat designed with racing in mind. The same qualities that make a
competent offshore racer also make for a damned good voyager provided
the crew doesn't have as it's first priority a comfy and well-appointed
accomodation.


Which differences I then took the trouble to explain to you so you
wouldn't make such a ass of yourself again by mistaking a Farr racing
boat for a family cruiser.

And you failed to understand that the Farr 40 would make a fine voyager
for a MAN. A man is thrilled with a fast, weatherly, seaworthy sailboat
and doesn't much care about an accommodation only a woman would love
that looks like a floating home and weighs almost as much. Could this be
because you are too in touch with your feminine side being the helpmate
of a woman when God intended it to be the other way around?


And how do you repay my kindness in trying to make you look just a
little bit less like a fool?

Your kindness? Don't make me laugh there, buster. Since when has
inattentiveness become kindness?

Willie boy, with all your anti-female ranting and raving I'm having a
little bit of trouble in getting a handle on your preferences ......

It should be clear to you by now that the only type of woman I desire is
one who looks like a woman (as opposed to some fat hog), acts like a
woman (realizes her role in marriage is as a helpmate as explained by
God in the Bible) and does not begrudge her rightful place in the
relationship. Because you've apparently compromised and settled for less
doesn't mean real men who hold true to God's directives are difficult to
understand. Rather, it means you perspective is *******ized by the
teachings of modern-day feminism. You seem to think my valid
observations are 'anti-female.' Simply not so. I expect females to be
females and not male-wannabes which is how you and the feminist agenda
proffer them.

Wilbur Hubbard