Poor Bruce P. has fallen into the trap of moving up in his choice of
boats until he's finally ended up in a boat that's too big for him to
handle or afford.

This is illustrated by the fact Bruce languishes on a marina in Thailand
when he could be out doing some serious coastal cruising in what many
consider one of the world's premiere cruising grounds. Why does he
languish in a marina? There are probably at least several different
reasons. I'll list a few of the more prominent . . .

1) Boat is too big and cumbersome and draft too deep for coastal
cruising and exploring the local backwaters where all the action takes
place and where all the things worth exploring are.

2) Boat has too many systems that are always breaking down and provide a
convenient excuse to stay tied up at the dock.

3) Bruce is really not cut out for cruising. He's not a strong
individual but somebody who prefers the company of like-minded
(dependent) people, which people also like to sit around their boats
tied to a dock and bull**** about where they'll go next - year after
year while their boats become even more trouble-prone and decrepit.

4) Too worried about expenses to properly upkeep his vessel. He probably
never considered how a bigger boat escalates expenses geometrically to
the point he really cannot afford to cruise anymore.

5) Knows voyaging across oceans is not really a passion of his but won't
admit it. Grasps at straws for any excuse to stay put.

6) Addicted to telephones and Internet connections. Is a landlubber at
heart.

Let this be a lesson to everybody else who's not got a realistic vision
of what's involved with long-distance voyaging. Furthermore, let it be a
lesson in knowing when to throw in the towel and admit voyaging is not
really for you. Few things are more pathetic than 'voyagers' and their
vessels rotting away in marinas.

Wilbur Hubbard

On Aug 2, 10:20 am, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

Wilbur Hubbard

Willlburrrr... you also forgot another item. THe local food is
incredible.For example the tasty treat called Thi pun tang.
Hell, I wish I had all problems you described about bangcok bRuce!
Get a grip dude! hes lliving the dream.

Bob

"Bob" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Aug 2, 10:20 am, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

Wilbur Hubbard

Willlburrrr... you also forgot another item. THe local food is
incredible.For example the tasty treat called Thi pun tang.
Hell, I wish I had all problems you described about bangcok bRuce!
Get a grip dude! hes lliving the dream.


You're probably right. Bruce sounds like the ladyboy type to me . . .

Wilbur Hubbard

On Thu, 2 Aug 2007 20:02:07 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:


"Bob" wrote in message
roups.com...
On Aug 2, 10:20 am, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

Wilbur Hubbard

Willlburrrr... you also forgot another item. THe local food is
incredible.For example the tasty treat called Thi pun tang.
Hell, I wish I had all problems you described about bangcok bRuce!
Get a grip dude! hes lliving the dream.


You're probably right. Bruce sounds like the ladyboy type to me . . .

Wilbur Hubbard


Hubby, you'll just have to talk to my wife of 40 years about that.


Bruce in Bangkok
(brucepaigeATgmailDOTcom)

On Aug 2, 6:34 pm, wrote:
On Thu, 2 Aug 2007 20:02:07 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"





wrote:

"Bob" wrote in message
roups.com...
On Aug 2, 10:20 am, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

Wilbur Hubbard

Willlburrrr... you also forgot another item. THe local food is
incredible.For example the tasty treat called Thi pun tang.
Hell, I wish I had all problems you described about bangcok bRuce!
Get a grip dude! hes lliving the dream.

You're probably right. Bruce sounds like the ladyboy type to me . . .

Wilbur Hubbard

Hubby, you'll just have to talk to my wife of 40 years about that.

Bruce in Bangkok
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- Show quoted text -


HEy BRuce......... you crusing with your wife???? Good on mate! Not
many woman spouses take to that life. Must have a really nice head n
ur boat!

Bob

On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 20:35:16 -0700, Bob wrote:

On Aug 2, 6:34 pm, wrote:
On Thu, 2 Aug 2007 20:02:07 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"





wrote:

"Bob" wrote in message
roups.com...
On Aug 2, 10:20 am, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

Wilbur Hubbard

Willlburrrr... you also forgot another item. THe local food is
incredible.For example the tasty treat called Thi pun tang.
Hell, I wish I had all problems you described about bangcok bRuce!
Get a grip dude! hes lliving the dream.

You're probably right. Bruce sounds like the ladyboy type to me . . .

Wilbur Hubbard

Hubby, you'll just have to talk to my wife of 40 years about that.

Bruce in Bangkok
(brucepaigeATgmailDOTcom)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


HEy BRuce......... you crusing with your wife???? Good on mate! Not
many woman spouses take to that life. Must have a really nice head n
ur boat!

Bob

I'll tell you a little secret. Most Thai women, way down deep, are
worried about losing their husbands. Thai men tend to play musical
chairs when it comes to female companions, or at least a substantial
number do. So, you tell the Missus that you are going sailing and she
says, "I'd kinda like to stay home." You say, "Don't worry Honey, I
can find somebody to do the cooking", and she'll have her bags on
board before you do.

Just to keep the record straight though, an American friend who was
planning an Indian Ocean crossing a coupl;e of years ago was in Phuket
getting the boat ready. His wife, who was in the States and told him
on the phone that "maybe he could find somebody to crew for him as she
was feeling a bit poorly." He called her back a day or so later and
told her that most of the boats had already left and the only crew he
could locate was a Dutch woman, about 40-ish, who was willing to go.

The wife was on the next flight.

An they had a horrible trip......

The head gets it's seacocks closed before we leave and they don't get
opened until we anchor but I made a plastic bucket with a nice smooth
edge and a three metres lanyard complete with a loop to throw over a
cleat before you drop it over the side.

The old one had a three metre lanyard but no loop and the Missus
dropped it over the side one day when we were doing 6 Knts. Tried to
hang on so she wouldn't lose the bucket. She reckons that loop is
damned near rocket science....






Bruce in Bangkok
(brucepaigeATgmailDOTcom)

On Thu, 2 Aug 2007 13:20:25 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

Goodness Wilbur you certainly draw some strange deductions from what
you read. I really thing a reading comprehensive course (they do offer
these as adult education courses) would be a great advantage to you.

But just this one last time I'll try to explain the facts of living on
a boat in Asia to you but I'm warning you that if you get it wrong
again you'll just have to remain stupid old Wilbur who's Daddy taught
him not to try to walk and chew gum at the same time.

Poor Bruce P. has fallen into the trap of moving up in his choice of
boats until he's finally ended up in a boat that's too big for him to
handle or afford.

Too big - I've owned this boat for about 10 years and have been
sailing it either single handed or with only my wife for crew for that
entire period.

Can't afford - Actually I own two boats. The forty foot sailboat (for
cruising) and a 35 foot power boat (not a Grand Banks, but similar in
design to one) for short trips, day trips to some of the islands in
Phang Nga Bay, etc. Both paid for in cash I might add.

This is illustrated by the fact Bruce languishes on a marina in Thailand
when he could be out doing some serious coastal cruising in what many
consider one of the world's premiere cruising grounds. Why does he
languish in a marina? There are probably at least several different
reasons. I'll list a few of the more prominent . . .

Well no, I do not cruise 360 days a year so during the periods I'm in
port I do keep the boats in a Marina. One of the main advantages is
that we have 24 hour a day security so things don't walk away nearly
as quickly as they do when you are anchored out.

1) Boat is too big and cumbersome and draft too deep for coastal
cruising and exploring the local backwaters where all the action takes
place and where all the things worth exploring are.

As I mentioned, I've had this boat for 10 years and during that period
sailed it either single handed or with my wife as crew. We've cruised
both the east and west coasts of Malaysia from Singapore north to the
Thai border and all the islands on both coasts; the west coast of
Thailand and all the islands from the Thai Border to the Myanma
border, and all the islands in Phang Nga bay.

The boat draws 6 feet and for this part of the world is a very nominal
draft. Most of the fishing boats here draw that much.

I'm not sure what you mean by "action" in local backwaters. Frog
gigging?

2) Boat has too many systems that are always breaking down and provide a
convenient excuse to stay tied up at the dock.

Other then a complete overhaul on the Perkins 4-107 engine that I did
in Singapore have done no major maintenance on the boat since I owned
it. Oh yes! Sorry, we painted it about five years ago.

3) Bruce is really not cut out for cruising. He's not a strong
individual but somebody who prefers the company of like-minded
(dependent) people, which people also like to sit around their boats
tied to a dock and bull**** about where they'll go next - year after
year while their boats become even more trouble-prone and decrepit.

Well, I suppose I'm not as strong as I once was, after all I'm 75
years old but certainly still active enough to sail. We made a trip
from Singapore to Phuket last September, at the end of the N.E.
Monsoons and will probably plan at least one longish trip, maybe
around the peninsular and up the river to Bangkok, once the rains stop
this year.

4) Too worried about expenses to properly upkeep his vessel. He probably
never considered how a bigger boat escalates expenses geometrically to
the point he really cannot afford to cruise anymore.

You are correct - I believe that I read that boat expense increase as
a square of the length. But without going into details I can assure
you that I have sufficient where-with-all to keep the boats going.


5) Knows voyaging across oceans is not really a passion of his but won't
admit it. Grasps at straws for any excuse to stay put.

What's to admit? I recently bought the power boat in Singapore and
brought it back to Phuket on its own bottom. Boats go on the water. If
you want to go somewhere where there is water you just go.

6) Addicted to telephones and Internet connections. Is a landlubber at
heart.

Hubby - do one thing for me. Check the archives and report back how
many posts have been made by you, in your various guises, and how many
have been made by me. Then we can intelligently discuss Internet
addiction.

Hand phones? Yes I own a hand phone - you want to know a secret?
Because hand phone calls in Thailand are cheaper then land line calls
so it makes economic sense to own a hand phone rather then a land
line.

Let this be a lesson to everybody else who's not got a realistic vision
of what's involved with long-distance voyaging. Furthermore, let it be a
lesson in knowing when to throw in the towel and admit voyaging is not
really for you. Few things are more pathetic than 'voyagers' and their
vessels rotting away in marinas.

I certainly agree, let it be a lesson! Come to Thailand and enjoy one
of the most pleasant countries in the world and cruise in some of the
most spectacular waters on God's green earth.


Wilbur Hubbard

Bruce in Bangkok
(brucepaigeATgmailDOTcom)

wrote in message
...
On Thu, 2 Aug 2007 13:20:25 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

Goodness Wilbur you certainly draw some strange deductions from what
you read. I really thing a reading comprehensive course (they do offer
these as adult education courses) would be a great advantage to you.

But just this one last time I'll try to explain the facts of living on
a boat in Asia to you but I'm warning you that if you get it wrong
again you'll just have to remain stupid old Wilbur who's Daddy taught
him not to try to walk and chew gum at the same time.

Poor Bruce P. has fallen into the trap of moving up in his choice of
boats until he's finally ended up in a boat that's too big for him to
handle or afford.

Too big - I've owned this boat for about 10 years and have been
sailing it either single handed or with only my wife for crew for that
entire period.

Can't afford - Actually I own two boats. The forty foot sailboat (for
cruising) and a 35 foot power boat (not a Grand Banks, but similar in
design to one) for short trips, day trips to some of the islands in
Phang Nga Bay, etc. Both paid for in cash I might add.

This is illustrated by the fact Bruce languishes on a marina in
Thailand
when he could be out doing some serious coastal cruising in what many
consider one of the world's premiere cruising grounds. Why does he
languish in a marina? There are probably at least several different
reasons. I'll list a few of the more prominent . . .

Well no, I do not cruise 360 days a year so during the periods I'm in
port I do keep the boats in a Marina. One of the main advantages is
that we have 24 hour a day security so things don't walk away nearly
as quickly as they do when you are anchored out.

1) Boat is too big and cumbersome and draft too deep for coastal
cruising and exploring the local backwaters where all the action takes
place and where all the things worth exploring are.

As I mentioned, I've had this boat for 10 years and during that period
sailed it either single handed or with my wife as crew. We've cruised
both the east and west coasts of Malaysia from Singapore north to the
Thai border and all the islands on both coasts; the west coast of
Thailand and all the islands from the Thai Border to the Myanma
border, and all the islands in Phang Nga bay.

The boat draws 6 feet and for this part of the world is a very nominal
draft. Most of the fishing boats here draw that much.

I'm not sure what you mean by "action" in local backwaters. Frog
gigging?

2) Boat has too many systems that are always breaking down and provide
a
convenient excuse to stay tied up at the dock.

Other then a complete overhaul on the Perkins 4-107 engine that I did
in Singapore have done no major maintenance on the boat since I owned
it. Oh yes! Sorry, we painted it about five years ago.

3) Bruce is really not cut out for cruising. He's not a strong
individual but somebody who prefers the company of like-minded
(dependent) people, which people also like to sit around their boats
tied to a dock and bull**** about where they'll go next - year after
year while their boats become even more trouble-prone and decrepit.

Well, I suppose I'm not as strong as I once was, after all I'm 75
years old but certainly still active enough to sail. We made a trip
from Singapore to Phuket last September, at the end of the N.E.
Monsoons and will probably plan at least one longish trip, maybe
around the peninsular and up the river to Bangkok, once the rains stop
this year.

4) Too worried about expenses to properly upkeep his vessel. He
probably
never considered how a bigger boat escalates expenses geometrically to
the point he really cannot afford to cruise anymore.

You are correct - I believe that I read that boat expense increase as
a square of the length. But without going into details I can assure
you that I have sufficient where-with-all to keep the boats going.


5) Knows voyaging across oceans is not really a passion of his but
won't
admit it. Grasps at straws for any excuse to stay put.

What's to admit? I recently bought the power boat in Singapore and
brought it back to Phuket on its own bottom. Boats go on the water. If
you want to go somewhere where there is water you just go.

6) Addicted to telephones and Internet connections. Is a landlubber at
heart.

Hubby - do one thing for me. Check the archives and report back how
many posts have been made by you, in your various guises, and how many
have been made by me. Then we can intelligently discuss Internet
addiction.

Hand phones? Yes I own a hand phone - you want to know a secret?
Because hand phone calls in Thailand are cheaper then land line calls
so it makes economic sense to own a hand phone rather then a land
line.

Let this be a lesson to everybody else who's not got a realistic
vision
of what's involved with long-distance voyaging. Furthermore, let it be
a
lesson in knowing when to throw in the towel and admit voyaging is not
really for you. Few things are more pathetic than 'voyagers' and their
vessels rotting away in marinas.

I certainly agree, let it be a lesson! Come to Thailand and enjoy one
of the most pleasant countries in the world and cruise in some of the
most spectacular waters on God's green earth.

Half a year of rain?? What's so spectacular about that? I'd want out of
there immediately, if not before and sooner than that if possible.
Those mosquitoes probably even carry malaria. And I hear they have bird
flu there too.

Internet addiction? You've probably posted far more than I (Wilbur
Hubbard) have. Just because some idiot people think I'm Capt. Neal
doesn't make it so.

Two boats? And one a power boat. That proves it, you're a dock rat. A
lubber. A voyaging sailor no more. But 75 is getting old, really old.
Too old to safely be voyaging. I think the best sailor ever, old Josh
Slocum, was 75 when he sailed off and was never heard from again. But,
I'll give you some credit for getting out there and doing it while you
could. It's no shame on you for knowing when to toss in the old towel.

And, if you don't know what "action" in the local backwaters means you
really ARE getting too old. ;-)

Six-foot draft is dumb, really dumb. It's a bad compromise. For open
ocean voyaging, eight or ten feet of draft is what it takes. And I bet
your boat has an old-fashioned, inefficient full-length keel with barn
door rudder. Get with it man, real savvy voyagers sail deep fin keel
boats with balanced space rudders. They go about twice as fast as your
old-school design and they go to weather ten to twenty degrees higher
and they go downwind without so much rolling from gunnel to gunnel. For
gunkholing and coastal cruising six feet of draft is dumb too. It's just
too much. Why people sail boats like yours that amount to just another
dumb compromise constantly amazes me considering all the choices one has
these days.

My Swan 68 will sail circles around your whatever? BTW, what is it that
you sail. Errrrr, or should I say, what is it that you've got tied up in
that marina there and I don't mean the motorboat.

Wilbur Hubbard

On Sat, 4 Aug 2007 13:25:53 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:


wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 2 Aug 2007 13:20:25 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

Goodness Wilbur you certainly draw some strange deductions from what
you read. I really thing a reading comprehensive course (they do offer
these as adult education courses) would be a great advantage to you.

But just this one last time I'll try to explain the facts of living on
a boat in Asia to you but I'm warning you that if you get it wrong
again you'll just have to remain stupid old Wilbur who's Daddy taught
him not to try to walk and chew gum at the same time.

Poor Bruce P. has fallen into the trap of moving up in his choice of
boats until he's finally ended up in a boat that's too big for him to
handle or afford.

Too big - I've owned this boat for about 10 years and have been
sailing it either single handed or with only my wife for crew for that
entire period.

Can't afford - Actually I own two boats. The forty foot sailboat (for
cruising) and a 35 foot power boat (not a Grand Banks, but similar in
design to one) for short trips, day trips to some of the islands in
Phang Nga Bay, etc. Both paid for in cash I might add.

This is illustrated by the fact Bruce languishes on a marina in
Thailand
when he could be out doing some serious coastal cruising in what many
consider one of the world's premiere cruising grounds. Why does he
languish in a marina? There are probably at least several different
reasons. I'll list a few of the more prominent . . .

Well no, I do not cruise 360 days a year so during the periods I'm in
port I do keep the boats in a Marina. One of the main advantages is
that we have 24 hour a day security so things don't walk away nearly
as quickly as they do when you are anchored out.

1) Boat is too big and cumbersome and draft too deep for coastal
cruising and exploring the local backwaters where all the action takes
place and where all the things worth exploring are.

As I mentioned, I've had this boat for 10 years and during that period
sailed it either single handed or with my wife as crew. We've cruised
both the east and west coasts of Malaysia from Singapore north to the
Thai border and all the islands on both coasts; the west coast of
Thailand and all the islands from the Thai Border to the Myanma
border, and all the islands in Phang Nga bay.

The boat draws 6 feet and for this part of the world is a very nominal
draft. Most of the fishing boats here draw that much.

I'm not sure what you mean by "action" in local backwaters. Frog
gigging?

2) Boat has too many systems that are always breaking down and provide
a
convenient excuse to stay tied up at the dock.

Other then a complete overhaul on the Perkins 4-107 engine that I did
in Singapore have done no major maintenance on the boat since I owned
it. Oh yes! Sorry, we painted it about five years ago.

3) Bruce is really not cut out for cruising. He's not a strong
individual but somebody who prefers the company of like-minded
(dependent) people, which people also like to sit around their boats
tied to a dock and bull**** about where they'll go next - year after
year while their boats become even more trouble-prone and decrepit.

Well, I suppose I'm not as strong as I once was, after all I'm 75
years old but certainly still active enough to sail. We made a trip
from Singapore to Phuket last September, at the end of the N.E.
Monsoons and will probably plan at least one longish trip, maybe
around the peninsular and up the river to Bangkok, once the rains stop
this year.

4) Too worried about expenses to properly upkeep his vessel. He
probably
never considered how a bigger boat escalates expenses geometrically to
the point he really cannot afford to cruise anymore.

You are correct - I believe that I read that boat expense increase as
a square of the length. But without going into details I can assure
you that I have sufficient where-with-all to keep the boats going.


5) Knows voyaging across oceans is not really a passion of his but
won't
admit it. Grasps at straws for any excuse to stay put.

What's to admit? I recently bought the power boat in Singapore and
brought it back to Phuket on its own bottom. Boats go on the water. If
you want to go somewhere where there is water you just go.

6) Addicted to telephones and Internet connections. Is a landlubber at
heart.

Hubby - do one thing for me. Check the archives and report back how
many posts have been made by you, in your various guises, and how many
have been made by me. Then we can intelligently discuss Internet
addiction.

Hand phones? Yes I own a hand phone - you want to know a secret?
Because hand phone calls in Thailand are cheaper then land line calls
so it makes economic sense to own a hand phone rather then a land
line.

Let this be a lesson to everybody else who's not got a realistic
vision
of what's involved with long-distance voyaging. Furthermore, let it be
a
lesson in knowing when to throw in the towel and admit voyaging is not
really for you. Few things are more pathetic than 'voyagers' and their
vessels rotting away in marinas.

I certainly agree, let it be a lesson! Come to Thailand and enjoy one
of the most pleasant countries in the world and cruise in some of the
most spectacular waters on God's green earth.

Half a year of rain?? What's so spectacular about that? I'd want out of
there immediately, if not before and sooner than that if possible.
Those mosquitoes probably even carry malaria. And I hear they have bird
flu there too.

That is a strange comment. Yes mosquitos carry malaria, dengue fever,
encephalitis, west Nile virus, rift valley fever and yellow fever. So
what? I've lived for forty years in Asia and never caught anything but
dengue fever. If you are scared of mosquitos then use OFF or some
other anti-mosquito spray.

They also have bird flu but since no one I ever knew caught it I don't
worry about it either.

Millions of people visit Thailand every year and return home tanned,
happy and healthy, but if you are afraid of getting sick then don't
come. Stay home, read a travel magazine.

Internet addiction? You've probably posted far more than I (Wilbur
Hubbard) have. Just because some idiot people think I'm Capt. Neal
doesn't make it so.

Whether you count Wilbur, Neal or Quasimodo do a search on posts. Then
we can talk about addiction.

Two boats? And one a power boat. That proves it, you're a dock rat. A
lubber. A voyaging sailor no more. But 75 is getting old, really old.
Too old to safely be voyaging. I think the best sailor ever, old Josh
Slocum, was 75 when he sailed off and was never heard from again. But,
I'll give you some credit for getting out there and doing it while you
could. It's no shame on you for knowing when to toss in the old towel.

Why not two boats? You probably own two boats, your Trailer-Sailer and
a rubber duck dinghy. Why does having two boats tie one to the dock
more then one boat?

To the best of my knowledge 75 is not too old to be sailing. I met a
chap, 84 years old that sailed across the Pacific from west to east a
couple of years ago.

It is all a matter of health Wilbur. Sitting in that little yellow
boat abusing yourself probably does bring on senile dementia, and hair
on the palms of the hands, but try a healthy diet and running 25 miles
a week and you'll still be hale and hearty when you're my age.

And, if you don't know what "action" in the local backwaters means you
really ARE getting too old. ;-)

Well, given that I'm more of a mainstreet boy I can only imagine what
goes on in the back streets and alleys of the world.

Six-foot draft is dumb, really dumb. It's a bad compromise. For open
ocean voyaging, eight or ten feet of draft is what it takes. And I bet
your boat has an old-fashioned, inefficient full-length keel with barn
door rudder. Get with it man, real savvy voyagers sail deep fin keel
boats with balanced space rudders. They go about twice as fast as your
old-school design and they go to weather ten to twenty degrees higher
and they go downwind without so much rolling from gunnel to gunnel. For
gunkholing and coastal cruising six feet of draft is dumb too. It's just
too much. Why people sail boats like yours that amount to just another
dumb compromise constantly amazes me considering all the choices one has
these days.

No, you are wrong again, Wilbur. Real, savvy voyagers sail what they
got. I've seen everything from 60+ ft. aluminum, fin keel, boats to 35
ft., steel, swing keel boats here on their way around the world.

Your problem is that you are attempting to expound on a subject about
which you know absolutely nothing except what you read in the sailing
magazines.

That is one advantage you would have if you stayed in a marina -- you
would get to see what people actually do instead of just reading about
it in a magazine.

My Swan 68 will sail circles around your whatever? BTW, what is it that
you sail. Errrrr, or should I say, what is it that you've got tied up in
that marina there and I don't mean the motorboat.


Wilbur Hubbard


Wilbur, your Swan 68 is just a figment of your imagination. If you
actually owned a boat like that you wouldn't be living on a tiny
little trailer-sailer anchored in some backwater.

Will boy the most pathetic thing about you is that you have the
equipment to make some impressive cruises and you don't even know it.
There was a chap "Fishmeal" that used to post here. He owned a super
light racing boat 23 - 25 ft. long and he sailed it from California
to Hawaii several years in some kind of single handed race they used
to have. Cruised back, he used to say. You could do the same thing,
but you don't, you just sit there typing away on your computer and
dreaming.

The Lin and Larry Pardey sailed a 28 ft. around the world after having
cruised on Seraffyn a 23 ft. boat for some years; a friend of mine
spent three years in the South Pacific in a 28 ft. boat, Treistan
Jones sailed Sea Dart - a 21 footer - for years.

Just go! You don't need some sort of super yacht to cruise, just go.
You will get some experience and won't be making all these stupid
errors in your posts about cruising boats.

On the other hand, maybe you shouldn't go. You'd be really
insufferable if you actually did know something about cruising instead
of just pathetic as you are now.


Bruce in Bangkok
(brucepaigeATgmailDOTcom)

wrote in
:

On Sat, 4 Aug 2007 13:25:53 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:


wrote in message
. ..
On Thu, 2 Aug 2007 13:20:25 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

Goodness Wilbur you certainly draw some strange deductions from what
you read. I really thing a reading comprehensive course (they do
offer these as adult education courses) would be a great advantage
to you.

But just this one last time I'll try to explain the facts of living
on a boat in Asia to you but I'm warning you that if you get it
wrong again you'll just have to remain stupid old Wilbur who's Daddy
taught him not to try to walk and chew gum at the same time.

Poor Bruce P. has fallen into the trap of moving up in his choice of
boats until he's finally ended up in a boat that's too big for him
to handle or afford.

Too big - I've owned this boat for about 10 years and have been
sailing it either single handed or with only my wife for crew for
that entire period.

Can't afford - Actually I own two boats. The forty foot sailboat
(for cruising) and a 35 foot power boat (not a Grand Banks, but
similar in design to one) for short trips, day trips to some of the
islands in Phang Nga Bay, etc. Both paid for in cash I might add.

This is illustrated by the fact Bruce languishes on a marina in
Thailand
when he could be out doing some serious coastal cruising in what
many consider one of the world's premiere cruising grounds. Why does
he languish in a marina? There are probably at least several
different reasons. I'll list a few of the more prominent . . .

Well no, I do not cruise 360 days a year so during the periods I'm
in port I do keep the boats in a Marina. One of the main advantages
is that we have 24 hour a day security so things don't walk away
nearly as quickly as they do when you are anchored out.

1) Boat is too big and cumbersome and draft too deep for coastal
cruising and exploring the local backwaters where all the action
takes place and where all the things worth exploring are.

As I mentioned, I've had this boat for 10 years and during that
period sailed it either single handed or with my wife as crew. We've
cruised both the east and west coasts of Malaysia from Singapore
north to the Thai border and all the islands on both coasts; the
west coast of Thailand and all the islands from the Thai Border to
the Myanma border, and all the islands in Phang Nga bay.

The boat draws 6 feet and for this part of the world is a very
nominal draft. Most of the fishing boats here draw that much.

I'm not sure what you mean by "action" in local backwaters. Frog
gigging?

2) Boat has too many systems that are always breaking down and
provide a
convenient excuse to stay tied up at the dock.

Other then a complete overhaul on the Perkins 4-107 engine that I
did in Singapore have done no major maintenance on the boat since I
owned it. Oh yes! Sorry, we painted it about five years ago.

3) Bruce is really not cut out for cruising. He's not a strong
individual but somebody who prefers the company of like-minded
(dependent) people, which people also like to sit around their boats
tied to a dock and bull**** about where they'll go next - year after
year while their boats become even more trouble-prone and decrepit.

Well, I suppose I'm not as strong as I once was, after all I'm 75
years old but certainly still active enough to sail. We made a trip
from Singapore to Phuket last September, at the end of the N.E.
Monsoons and will probably plan at least one longish trip, maybe
around the peninsular and up the river to Bangkok, once the rains
stop this year.

4) Too worried about expenses to properly upkeep his vessel. He
probably
never considered how a bigger boat escalates expenses geometrically
to the point he really cannot afford to cruise anymore.

You are correct - I believe that I read that boat expense increase
as a square of the length. But without going into details I can
assure you that I have sufficient where-with-all to keep the boats
going.


5) Knows voyaging across oceans is not really a passion of his but
won't
admit it. Grasps at straws for any excuse to stay put.

What's to admit? I recently bought the power boat in Singapore and
brought it back to Phuket on its own bottom. Boats go on the water.
If you want to go somewhere where there is water you just go.

6) Addicted to telephones and Internet connections. Is a landlubber
at heart.

Hubby - do one thing for me. Check the archives and report back how
many posts have been made by you, in your various guises, and how
many have been made by me. Then we can intelligently discuss
Internet addiction.

Hand phones? Yes I own a hand phone - you want to know a secret?
Because hand phone calls in Thailand are cheaper then land line
calls so it makes economic sense to own a hand phone rather then a
land line.

Let this be a lesson to everybody else who's not got a realistic
vision
of what's involved with long-distance voyaging. Furthermore, let it
be a
lesson in knowing when to throw in the towel and admit voyaging is
not really for you. Few things are more pathetic than 'voyagers' and
their vessels rotting away in marinas.

I certainly agree, let it be a lesson! Come to Thailand and enjoy
one of the most pleasant countries in the world and cruise in some
of the most spectacular waters on God's green earth.

Half a year of rain?? What's so spectacular about that? I'd want out
of there immediately, if not before and sooner than that if possible.
Those mosquitoes probably even carry malaria. And I hear they have
bird flu there too.

That is a strange comment. Yes mosquitos carry malaria, dengue fever,
encephalitis, west Nile virus, rift valley fever and yellow fever. So
what? I've lived for forty years in Asia and never caught anything but
dengue fever. If you are scared of mosquitos then use OFF or some
other anti-mosquito spray.

They also have bird flu but since no one I ever knew caught it I don't
worry about it either.

Millions of people visit Thailand every year and return home tanned,
happy and healthy, but if you are afraid of getting sick then don't
come. Stay home, read a travel magazine.

Internet addiction? You've probably posted far more than I (Wilbur
Hubbard) have. Just because some idiot people think I'm Capt. Neal
doesn't make it so.

Whether you count Wilbur, Neal or Quasimodo do a search on posts. Then
we can talk about addiction.

Two boats? And one a power boat. That proves it, you're a dock rat. A
lubber. A voyaging sailor no more. But 75 is getting old, really old.
Too old to safely be voyaging. I think the best sailor ever, old Josh
Slocum, was 75 when he sailed off and was never heard from again.
But, I'll give you some credit for getting out there and doing it
while you could. It's no shame on you for knowing when to toss in the
old towel.

Why not two boats? You probably own two boats, your Trailer-Sailer and
a rubber duck dinghy. Why does having two boats tie one to the dock
more then one boat?

To the best of my knowledge 75 is not too old to be sailing. I met a
chap, 84 years old that sailed across the Pacific from west to east a
couple of years ago.

It is all a matter of health Wilbur. Sitting in that little yellow
boat abusing yourself probably does bring on senile dementia, and hair
on the palms of the hands, but try a healthy diet and running 25 miles
a week and you'll still be hale and hearty when you're my age.

And, if you don't know what "action" in the local backwaters means you
really ARE getting too old. ;-)

Well, given that I'm more of a mainstreet boy I can only imagine what
goes on in the back streets and alleys of the world.

Six-foot draft is dumb, really dumb. It's a bad compromise. For open
ocean voyaging, eight or ten feet of draft is what it takes. And I bet
your boat has an old-fashioned, inefficient full-length keel with barn
door rudder. Get with it man, real savvy voyagers sail deep fin keel
boats with balanced space rudders. They go about twice as fast as your
old-school design and they go to weather ten to twenty degrees higher
and they go downwind without so much rolling from gunnel to gunnel.
For gunkholing and coastal cruising six feet of draft is dumb too.
It's just too much. Why people sail boats like yours that amount to
just another dumb compromise constantly amazes me considering all the
choices one has these days.

No, you are wrong again, Wilbur. Real, savvy voyagers sail what they
got. I've seen everything from 60+ ft. aluminum, fin keel, boats to 35
ft., steel, swing keel boats here on their way around the world.

Your problem is that you are attempting to expound on a subject about
which you know absolutely nothing except what you read in the sailing
magazines.

That is one advantage you would have if you stayed in a marina -- you
would get to see what people actually do instead of just reading about
it in a magazine.

My Swan 68 will sail circles around your whatever? BTW, what is it
that you sail. Errrrr, or should I say, what is it that you've got
tied up in that marina there and I don't mean the motorboat.


Wilbur Hubbard


Wilbur, your Swan 68 is just a figment of your imagination. If you
actually owned a boat like that you wouldn't be living on a tiny
little trailer-sailer anchored in some backwater.

Will boy the most pathetic thing about you is that you have the
equipment to make some impressive cruises and you don't even know it.
There was a chap "Fishmeal" that used to post here. He owned a super
light racing boat 23 - 25 ft. long and he sailed it from California
to Hawaii several years in some kind of single handed race they used
to have. Cruised back, he used to say. You could do the same thing,
but you don't, you just sit there typing away on your computer and
dreaming.

The Lin and Larry Pardey sailed a 28 ft. around the world after having
cruised on Seraffyn a 23 ft. boat for some years; a friend of mine
spent three years in the South Pacific in a 28 ft. boat, Treistan
Jones sailed Sea Dart - a 21 footer - for years.

Just go! You don't need some sort of super yacht to cruise, just go.
You will get some experience and won't be making all these stupid
errors in your posts about cruising boats.

On the other hand, maybe you shouldn't go. You'd be really
insufferable if you actually did know something about cruising instead
of just pathetic as you are now.


Bruce in Bangkok
(brucepaigeATgmailDOTcom)



I've forgotten more about sailing than you ever learned. Now consider
the fact that you're so old you probably are in the early stages of
Alzheimer's so what little you managed to learn you are fast forgetting.

And what about your physical state? You said you were 79. That's really
old and at that age even the fittest of men have lost close to 80-90% of
the strength they had in middle age. I hope you always wear a safety
harness the two or three days a year you go offshore. If you ever fell
overboard I doubt you have the upper body strength to get back to your
boat, let alone climb back aboard.

Myself, I'm a world-class athlete at 60 years of age. My VO2 max is
still around 75. (Lance Armstrong's is about 85). I did a 40K individual
time trial on my Cervélo P2 Carbon last month and turned in a time of 61
minutes 23 seconds. (Can you pedal close to 25mph for 25 miles with no
drafting allowed? Fat chance!) Mentally, I'm also close to the top of
my game. IQ used to be about 150 but is now down to around 135. Still in
the upper 95%tile.


--
Wilbur Hubbard