On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 18:02:44 +0000, Chuck Bollinger wrote:

Lloyd Sumpter wrote:

On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 14:09:48 +0000, Wim wrote:


Earlier this year Citizenship and Immigration Canada (CIC) introduced the
Permanent Resident Card to increase border security, improve the integrity of
the immigration process, and provide holders with secure proof of their
permanent residence status when re-entering Canada.



I'm a bit confused here.

Is this in addition to, or in place of, a passport? And does it only refer
to
"landed immigrants" or do citizens (like me) have to get one too?

Just one more reason NOT to go to the US. (although I guess we'll need them
when going to Mexico later this winter...)

I usually don't mind complaints about the US and border stuff, figuring that
most of the time the complaint is a fair cop (I-68 comes immediately to mind).
But this card is Canada's invention, not ours. If I read it correctly, you (the
landed immigrant) would need this card for returning from a trip to Japan, UK,
Mexico... wherever. There is a similar message in another thread that tends to
leave the same impression.

It's not polite to make this look like all of this is the US's fault. We have
enough crap we're really guilty for - cut us some slack when we're bystanders.

Sorry if that was the impression I made.

True, I don't like the US and have many reasons not to go there. But I didn't
mean to imply that THIS was caused by the US. Perhaps I should have said "one
more reason NOT to leave Canada" - would have been clearer. It really just
results in more hassles at the border, be it from US Customs or Canadian.
Yes, I complain about Canadian Govt too!

I'm still confused as to who needs this card, though...

Again, my apologies.
Lloyd Sumpter

"I'm still confused as to who needs this card, though"

Lloyd, it is for all legally landed newcomers , who have not yet become
Canadian Citizen , because of eligibility. IOW they have e.g. Greek,
Indian, Brazilian passport and have been in living Canada for 10 - 30
years with that particular nationality as a legal resident! If they want to
travel outside Canada they would be in trouble on their return into Canada.
NO CARD :-((
--
c ya Wim
www.cruising.ca/thousand/f-index.html


"Lloyd Sumpter" wrote in message
...
: On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 18:02:44 +0000, Chuck Bollinger wrote:
:
: Lloyd Sumpter wrote:
:
: On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 14:09:48 +0000, Wim wrote:
:
:
: Earlier this year Citizenship and Immigration Canada (CIC) introduced
the
: Permanent Resident Card to increase border security, improve the
integrity of
: the immigration process, and provide holders with secure proof of their
: permanent residence status when re-entering Canada.
:
:
:
: I'm a bit confused here.
:
: Is this in addition to, or in place of, a passport? And does it only
refer
: to
: "landed immigrants" or do citizens (like me) have to get one too?
:
: Just one more reason NOT to go to the US. (although I guess we'll
need them
: when going to Mexico later this winter...)
:
: I usually don't mind complaints about the US and border stuff, figuring
that
: most of the time the complaint is a fair cop (I-68 comes immediately to
mind).
: But this card is Canada's invention, not ours. If I read it correctly,
you (the
: landed immigrant) would need this card for returning from a trip to
Japan, UK,
: Mexico... wherever. There is a similar message in another thread that
tends to
: leave the same impression.
:
: It's not polite to make this look like all of this is the US's fault.
We have
: enough crap we're really guilty for - cut us some slack when we're
bystanders.
:
: Sorry if that was the impression I made.
:
: True, I don't like the US and have many reasons not to go there. But I
didn't
: mean to imply that THIS was caused by the US. Perhaps I should have said
"one
: more reason NOT to leave Canada" - would have been clearer. It really just
: results in more hassles at the border, be it from US Customs or Canadian.
: Yes, I complain about Canadian Govt too!
:
: I'm still confused as to who needs this card, though...
:
: Again, my apologies.
: Lloyd Sumpter
:
:

"I'm still confused as to who needs this card, though"

Lloyd, it is for all legally landed newcomers , who have not yet become
Canadian Citizen , because of eligibility. IOW they have e.g. Greek,
Indian, Brazilian passport and have been in living Canada for 10 - 30
years with that particular nationality as a legal resident! If they want to
travel outside Canada they would be in trouble on their return into Canada.
NO CARD :-((
--
c ya Wim
www.cruising.ca/thousand/f-index.html


"Lloyd Sumpter" wrote in message
...
: On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 18:02:44 +0000, Chuck Bollinger wrote:
:
: Lloyd Sumpter wrote:
:
: On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 14:09:48 +0000, Wim wrote:
:
:
: Earlier this year Citizenship and Immigration Canada (CIC) introduced
the
: Permanent Resident Card to increase border security, improve the
integrity of
: the immigration process, and provide holders with secure proof of their
: permanent residence status when re-entering Canada.
:
:
:
: I'm a bit confused here.
:
: Is this in addition to, or in place of, a passport? And does it only
refer
: to
: "landed immigrants" or do citizens (like me) have to get one too?
:
: Just one more reason NOT to go to the US. (although I guess we'll
need them
: when going to Mexico later this winter...)
:
: I usually don't mind complaints about the US and border stuff, figuring
that
: most of the time the complaint is a fair cop (I-68 comes immediately to
mind).
: But this card is Canada's invention, not ours. If I read it correctly,
you (the
: landed immigrant) would need this card for returning from a trip to
Japan, UK,
: Mexico... wherever. There is a similar message in another thread that
tends to
: leave the same impression.
:
: It's not polite to make this look like all of this is the US's fault.
We have
: enough crap we're really guilty for - cut us some slack when we're
bystanders.
:
: Sorry if that was the impression I made.
:
: True, I don't like the US and have many reasons not to go there. But I
didn't
: mean to imply that THIS was caused by the US. Perhaps I should have said
"one
: more reason NOT to leave Canada" - would have been clearer. It really just
: results in more hassles at the border, be it from US Customs or Canadian.
: Yes, I complain about Canadian Govt too!
:
: I'm still confused as to who needs this card, though...
:
: Again, my apologies.
: Lloyd Sumpter
:
:

When we were living in Japan and sponsored, in-laws, we had a
resident alien card which equates to a Green card, but it was
only good in country. When you left, you had to surrender it. If
you
returned then it was on a visa until you had another sponsor
which
would allow you to stay beyond the 60 day visa. I wish we had had
a permanent card and then it would have allowed for short trips
back to the states or over to Korea for buying trips.

Leanne

"Steve" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 18:02:44 GMT, Chuck Bollinger

wrote:

Lloyd Sumpter wrote:

On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 14:09:48 +0000, Wim wrote:


Earlier this year Citizenship and Immigration Canada (CIC)
introduced the
Permanent Resident Card to increase border security, improve
the integrity of
the immigration process, and provide holders with secure
proof of their
permanent residence status when re-entering Canada.

When we were living in Japan and sponsored, in-laws, we had a
resident alien card which equates to a Green card, but it was
only good in country. When you left, you had to surrender it. If
you
returned then it was on a visa until you had another sponsor
which
would allow you to stay beyond the 60 day visa. I wish we had had
a permanent card and then it would have allowed for short trips
back to the states or over to Korea for buying trips.

Leanne

"Steve" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 18:02:44 GMT, Chuck Bollinger

wrote:

Lloyd Sumpter wrote:

On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 14:09:48 +0000, Wim wrote:


Earlier this year Citizenship and Immigration Canada (CIC)
introduced the
Permanent Resident Card to increase border security, improve
the integrity of
the immigration process, and provide holders with secure
proof of their
permanent residence status when re-entering Canada.

Steve,
How's your boat? Did you have a good sailing season? I've been gone for
awhile.
Merlin.
"Steve" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 18:02:44 GMT, Chuck Bollinger
wrote:

Lloyd Sumpter wrote:

On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 14:09:48 +0000, Wim wrote:


Earlier this year Citizenship and Immigration Canada (CIC) introduced
the
Permanent Resident Card to increase border security, improve the
integrity of
the immigration process, and provide holders with secure proof of their
permanent residence status when re-entering Canada.



I'm a bit confused here.

Is this in addition to, or in place of, a passport? And does it only
refer to
"landed immigrants" or do citizens (like me) have to get one too?

Just one more reason NOT to go to the US. (although I guess we'll
need them
when going to Mexico later this winter...)

I usually don't mind complaints about the US and border stuff, figuring
that
most of the time the complaint is a fair cop (I-68 comes immediately to
mind).
But this card is Canada's invention, not ours. If I read it correctly,
you (the
landed immigrant) would need this card for returning from a trip to
Japan, UK,
Mexico... wherever. There is a similar message in another thread that
tends to
leave the same impression.

It's not polite to make this look like all of this is the US's fault. We
have
enough crap we're really guilty for - cut us some slack when we're
bystanders.


As a Canadian, pardon me if I don't beg forgiveness for my
countryman's mindless remarks against the US. I am not in the habit of
agreeing with someone who is wrong, simply because we happen to live
in the same country.

The Canadian Permanent Resident Card (PR Card) is NOT required for
Canadian Citizens. It is only required for permanent residents of
Canada who for one reason or another have yet to receive their
citizenship.

Lloyd seems to be one of those types who just can't wait to blame the
States for everything that upsets them. Which would be really funny if
it wasn't such a widely adopted mantra by the Loony Lefties up here.

So feel free to invite a Canadian Citizen down for a boat ride.

Steve

Steve,
How's your boat? Did you have a good sailing season? I've been gone for
awhile.
Merlin.
"Steve" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 18:02:44 GMT, Chuck Bollinger
wrote:

Lloyd Sumpter wrote:

On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 14:09:48 +0000, Wim wrote:


Earlier this year Citizenship and Immigration Canada (CIC) introduced
the
Permanent Resident Card to increase border security, improve the
integrity of
the immigration process, and provide holders with secure proof of their
permanent residence status when re-entering Canada.



I'm a bit confused here.

Is this in addition to, or in place of, a passport? And does it only
refer to
"landed immigrants" or do citizens (like me) have to get one too?

Just one more reason NOT to go to the US. (although I guess we'll
need them
when going to Mexico later this winter...)

I usually don't mind complaints about the US and border stuff, figuring
that
most of the time the complaint is a fair cop (I-68 comes immediately to
mind).
But this card is Canada's invention, not ours. If I read it correctly,
you (the
landed immigrant) would need this card for returning from a trip to
Japan, UK,
Mexico... wherever. There is a similar message in another thread that
tends to
leave the same impression.

It's not polite to make this look like all of this is the US's fault. We
have
enough crap we're really guilty for - cut us some slack when we're
bystanders.


As a Canadian, pardon me if I don't beg forgiveness for my
countryman's mindless remarks against the US. I am not in the habit of
agreeing with someone who is wrong, simply because we happen to live
in the same country.

The Canadian Permanent Resident Card (PR Card) is NOT required for
Canadian Citizens. It is only required for permanent residents of
Canada who for one reason or another have yet to receive their
citizenship.

Lloyd seems to be one of those types who just can't wait to blame the
States for everything that upsets them. Which would be really funny if
it wasn't such a widely adopted mantra by the Loony Lefties up here.

So feel free to invite a Canadian Citizen down for a boat ride.

Steve

Don,

The reason US Customs has inspectors in Vancouver (and by the
way Canada Customs has inspectors in the States) is to check for
foreign-origin goods transhipping via Vancouver that are counterfeit
or possibly being used for drug smuggling, etc... This program was in
exsitence long before 9/11 and Canada is one of dozens of countries
that are involved in it. So, its not because of any perceived lack of
faith in anyone's abilities, at least not that particular program.
Not sure what you mean when you say Vancouver is 2 days
closer to Europe, but the main reason for cargo moving via rail to
the US midwest out of Deltaport and Vanterm (vs US West coast
ports) is dollars - around $200 less over Vancouver than via Seattle.
To protect this cargo movement Canada Customs probably bought
a couple of the VACIS machines in case any needed exam. The
alternative is to pull containers off the trains at the border in the
midwest which is a logistical nightmare.


"Don White" wrote in message
...
I wouldn't be too quick to dismiss Lloyd.
After 9/11 there was all kinds of talk in local newspapers that the
Americans were unhappy with our security which
could endanger them.
In this port, we actually had US customs inspectors come up to assist the
locals. We also had to buy a hugh mobile
container inspection device. The implied threat was...if we weren't
secure,
our shipments heading to the US would be in trouble. This was a big deal
because we compete for containers heading stateside.
We're a couple of days closer to Europe which means wecan unload the
ships,
and ship the containers to the American mid west before the same ship
arrives in NewYork or Baltimore.

Steve wrote in message
...
snip...
The Canadian Permanent Resident Card (PR Card) is NOT required for
Canadian Citizens. It is only required for permanent residents of
Canada who for one reason or another have yet to receive their
citizenship.

Lloyd seems to be one of those types who just can't wait to blame the
States for everything that upsets them. Which would be really funny if
it wasn't such a widely adopted mantra by the Loony Lefties up here.

So feel free to invite a Canadian Citizen down for a boat ride.

Steve

Don,

The reason US Customs has inspectors in Vancouver (and by the
way Canada Customs has inspectors in the States) is to check for
foreign-origin goods transhipping via Vancouver that are counterfeit
or possibly being used for drug smuggling, etc... This program was in
exsitence long before 9/11 and Canada is one of dozens of countries
that are involved in it. So, its not because of any perceived lack of
faith in anyone's abilities, at least not that particular program.
Not sure what you mean when you say Vancouver is 2 days
closer to Europe, but the main reason for cargo moving via rail to
the US midwest out of Deltaport and Vanterm (vs US West coast
ports) is dollars - around $200 less over Vancouver than via Seattle.
To protect this cargo movement Canada Customs probably bought
a couple of the VACIS machines in case any needed exam. The
alternative is to pull containers off the trains at the border in the
midwest which is a logistical nightmare.


"Don White" wrote in message
...
I wouldn't be too quick to dismiss Lloyd.
After 9/11 there was all kinds of talk in local newspapers that the
Americans were unhappy with our security which
could endanger them.
In this port, we actually had US customs inspectors come up to assist the
locals. We also had to buy a hugh mobile
container inspection device. The implied threat was...if we weren't
secure,
our shipments heading to the US would be in trouble. This was a big deal
because we compete for containers heading stateside.
We're a couple of days closer to Europe which means wecan unload the
ships,
and ship the containers to the American mid west before the same ship
arrives in NewYork or Baltimore.

Steve wrote in message
...
snip...
The Canadian Permanent Resident Card (PR Card) is NOT required for
Canadian Citizens. It is only required for permanent residents of
Canada who for one reason or another have yet to receive their
citizenship.

Lloyd seems to be one of those types who just can't wait to blame the
States for everything that upsets them. Which would be really funny if
it wasn't such a widely adopted mantra by the Loony Lefties up here.

So feel free to invite a Canadian Citizen down for a boat ride.

Steve

Sorry...I was referring to my home port on the 'right coast'....Halifax,
Nova Scotia

Steve Symms wrote in message
news:aXzyb.371403$HS4.3103773@attbi_s01...
Don,
snip
Not sure what you mean when you say Vancouver is 2 days
closer to Europe,
snip