M& C; The Movie was very disappointing for me as well, but it showed me two
things. One was just how bloody crowded the deck of a fifth rate must have
been, and the other was virtually all the things about the POB series that I
cared least about!
And Crowe was not any kind of Jack Aubrey that I recognized.


"Chuck Bollinger" wrote in message
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Gogarty wrote:

Has anyone seen this movie? I did yesterday. Disappointing. No depth at
all.

Yes, like another complex effort: "Dune". Frank Herbert, the author,
complained
that the movie should have been titled "Scenes from Dune".

Parhaps the most distinguishing feature of the POB books is the slow pace.
Apparently POB was a fan of Louisa May Alcott with her detail, and it is
said
that one of the volumes, in which the story is entirely (?) on land, is a
tribute to her. For that reason, it would seem impossible to accomplish
the
feel of the books in a movie. And, really, try to think of the movie you
would
produce from the real M&C, volume 1. By the time you got the music
recital
where A meets M and challenges him, to the promotion, re-meeting and
dinner,
fitting the Sophie - there's an hour gone just doing that properly, and
they
haven't even got underway.

The diametrical opposite of POB's books are Patrick Cornwell, "Sharp"
series, in
which this incredible (literally) ubermench of a junior officer winds up
hobnobbing with Nelson and all sorts of stuff. I couldn't stand it - too
MTV.

I do hope that there will be future movies and that they will serve the
population of loyal readers by developing characters and such.
Nevertheless, as
a production, it certainly conveyed the confusion of a naval battle,
boarding,
and such. And the image of that guy sitting on the 'seat of ease' as the
camera
panned down the port side in the snow - that's going to stay with me for a
long
time.

FWIW: I found lots of references to Patrick O'Brian by Googling on his name.

HTH

Vic
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"Gogarty" wrote in message
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| In article ,
| says...
|
|
|
| You referred to spin-offs. To what do you refer? Titles please, or
| whatever.
| --
| There are several. "A Sea of Words: A lexicon and companion for Patrick
| O'Brian's Seafaring tales," by Dean King; "Harbors and High Seas: An atlas
| and geographiical guide to the Aubrey-Maturin novel fo Patrick O.Brian,"
| also by Dean King. There was also a cookbook that reproduced every blessed
| and disgusting thing mentioned about shipboard cuisine in the books but I
| can't find it. O'Brian also wrote several other boos, including
"Men-of-War:
| Life in Nelson's Navy."
|

FWIW: I found lots of references to Patrick O'Brian by Googling on his name.

HTH

Vic
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Read the WIND

"Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long
and hard the road may be; for without victory there is no survival."
- Winston [Leonard Spencer] Churchill (1874 - 1965)

Dost thou not know, my son, with how little wisdom the world is governed?
-Count Oxenstierna (ca 1620) to the young King Gustavus Adolphus

"Gogarty" wrote in message
...
| In article ,
| says...
|
|
|
| You referred to spin-offs. To what do you refer? Titles please, or
| whatever.
| --
| There are several. "A Sea of Words: A lexicon and companion for Patrick
| O'Brian's Seafaring tales," by Dean King; "Harbors and High Seas: An atlas
| and geographiical guide to the Aubrey-Maturin novel fo Patrick O.Brian,"
| also by Dean King. There was also a cookbook that reproduced every blessed
| and disgusting thing mentioned about shipboard cuisine in the books but I
| can't find it. O'Brian also wrote several other boos, including
"Men-of-War:
| Life in Nelson's Navy."
|

I think Gogarty is looking
for religion or something if he/she wants more depth? This was
entertainment. If he/she wants more depth, look to the real world.


Good movies can provide both. Master and Commander falls well short due to an
inept screenplay.

RB

I think Gogarty is looking
for religion or something if he/she wants more depth? This was
entertainment. If he/she wants more depth, look to the real world.


Good movies can provide both. Master and Commander falls well short due to an
inept screenplay.

RB

On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 17:00:17 -0400, "Ken Heaton"
wrote:

I saw the movie Master and Commander and was disappointed. I started off
enjoying it but became annoyed with it before the end. I've recently
finished The Truelove (the 16th?) in the series and am enjoying them
immensely. I'll second the "lacked depth" review.

You referred to spin-offs. To what do you refer? Titles please, or
whatever.

Have a look around http://www.hmssurprise.org, and
http://www.sea-room.com for a start.


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On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 17:00:17 -0400, "Ken Heaton"
wrote:

I saw the movie Master and Commander and was disappointed. I started off
enjoying it but became annoyed with it before the end. I've recently
finished The Truelove (the 16th?) in the series and am enjoying them
immensely. I'll second the "lacked depth" review.

You referred to spin-offs. To what do you refer? Titles please, or
whatever.

Have a look around http://www.hmssurprise.org, and
http://www.sea-room.com for a start.


--
Peter Bennett, VE7CEI
new newsgroup users info : http://vancouver-webpages.com/nnq
GPS and NMEA info: http://vancouver-webpages.com/peter
Vancouver Power Squadron: http://vancouver.powersquadron.ca

Sorry: Not Louisa May Alcott but Jane Austin. That's who PO'B respected.

Chuck Bollinger wrote:



Gogarty wrote:

Has anyone seen this movie? I did yesterday. Disappointing. No depth
at all.

Yes, like another complex effort: "Dune". Frank Herbert, the author,
complained that the movie should have been titled "Scenes from Dune".

Parhaps the most distinguishing feature of the POB books is the slow
pace. Apparently POB was a fan of Louisa May Alcott with her detail, and
it is said that one of the volumes, in which the story is entirely (?)
on land, is a tribute to her. For that reason, it would seem impossible
to accomplish the feel of the books in a movie. And, really, try to
think of the movie you would produce from the real M&C, volume 1. By
the time you got the music recital where A meets M and challenges him,
to the promotion, re-meeting and dinner, fitting the Sophie - there's an
hour gone just doing that properly, and they haven't even got underway.

The diametrical opposite of POB's books are Patrick Cornwell, "Sharp"
series, in which this incredible (literally) ubermench of a junior
officer winds up hobnobbing with Nelson and all sorts of stuff. I
couldn't stand it - too MTV.

I do hope that there will be future movies and that they will serve the
population of loyal readers by developing characters and such.
Nevertheless, as a production, it certainly conveyed the confusion of a
naval battle, boarding, and such. And the image of that guy sitting on
the 'seat of ease' as the camera panned down the port side in the snow -
that's going to stay with me for a long time.

Sorry: Not Louisa May Alcott but Jane Austin. That's who PO'B respected.

Chuck Bollinger wrote:



Gogarty wrote:

Has anyone seen this movie? I did yesterday. Disappointing. No depth
at all.

Yes, like another complex effort: "Dune". Frank Herbert, the author,
complained that the movie should have been titled "Scenes from Dune".

Parhaps the most distinguishing feature of the POB books is the slow
pace. Apparently POB was a fan of Louisa May Alcott with her detail, and
it is said that one of the volumes, in which the story is entirely (?)
on land, is a tribute to her. For that reason, it would seem impossible
to accomplish the feel of the books in a movie. And, really, try to
think of the movie you would produce from the real M&C, volume 1. By
the time you got the music recital where A meets M and challenges him,
to the promotion, re-meeting and dinner, fitting the Sophie - there's an
hour gone just doing that properly, and they haven't even got underway.

The diametrical opposite of POB's books are Patrick Cornwell, "Sharp"
series, in which this incredible (literally) ubermench of a junior
officer winds up hobnobbing with Nelson and all sorts of stuff. I
couldn't stand it - too MTV.

I do hope that there will be future movies and that they will serve the
population of loyal readers by developing characters and such.
Nevertheless, as a production, it certainly conveyed the confusion of a
naval battle, boarding, and such. And the image of that guy sitting on
the 'seat of ease' as the camera panned down the port side in the snow -
that's going to stay with me for a long time.

The cookbook I mentioned is "Lobscouse & Spotted Dog: Which It's a
Gastronomic Companion to the Aubrey/Maturin Novels;" The authors went to
great lengths to duplicate in early 19 Century terms the food served on a
warship of that time. Not surprisingly, some of the ingredients were not to
be found.