M& C; The Movie was very disappointing for me as well, but it showed me two
things. One was just how bloody crowded the deck of a fifth rate must have
been, and the other was virtually all the things about the POB series that I
cared least about!
And Crowe was not any kind of Jack Aubrey that I recognized.


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Gogarty wrote:

Has anyone seen this movie? I did yesterday. Disappointing. No depth at
all.

Yes, like another complex effort: "Dune". Frank Herbert, the author,
complained
that the movie should have been titled "Scenes from Dune".

Parhaps the most distinguishing feature of the POB books is the slow pace.
Apparently POB was a fan of Louisa May Alcott with her detail, and it is
said
that one of the volumes, in which the story is entirely (?) on land, is a
tribute to her. For that reason, it would seem impossible to accomplish
the
feel of the books in a movie. And, really, try to think of the movie you
would
produce from the real M&C, volume 1. By the time you got the music
recital
where A meets M and challenges him, to the promotion, re-meeting and
dinner,
fitting the Sophie - there's an hour gone just doing that properly, and
they
haven't even got underway.

The diametrical opposite of POB's books are Patrick Cornwell, "Sharp"
series, in
which this incredible (literally) ubermench of a junior officer winds up
hobnobbing with Nelson and all sorts of stuff. I couldn't stand it - too
MTV.

I do hope that there will be future movies and that they will serve the
population of loyal readers by developing characters and such.
Nevertheless, as
a production, it certainly conveyed the confusion of a naval battle,
boarding,
and such. And the image of that guy sitting on the 'seat of ease' as the
camera
panned down the port side in the snow - that's going to stay with me for a
long
time.

Sorry: Not Louisa May Alcott but Jane Austin. That's who PO'B respected.

Chuck Bollinger wrote:



Gogarty wrote:

Has anyone seen this movie? I did yesterday. Disappointing. No depth
at all.

Yes, like another complex effort: "Dune". Frank Herbert, the author,
complained that the movie should have been titled "Scenes from Dune".

Parhaps the most distinguishing feature of the POB books is the slow
pace. Apparently POB was a fan of Louisa May Alcott with her detail, and
it is said that one of the volumes, in which the story is entirely (?)
on land, is a tribute to her. For that reason, it would seem impossible
to accomplish the feel of the books in a movie. And, really, try to
think of the movie you would produce from the real M&C, volume 1. By
the time you got the music recital where A meets M and challenges him,
to the promotion, re-meeting and dinner, fitting the Sophie - there's an
hour gone just doing that properly, and they haven't even got underway.

The diametrical opposite of POB's books are Patrick Cornwell, "Sharp"
series, in which this incredible (literally) ubermench of a junior
officer winds up hobnobbing with Nelson and all sorts of stuff. I
couldn't stand it - too MTV.

I do hope that there will be future movies and that they will serve the
population of loyal readers by developing characters and such.
Nevertheless, as a production, it certainly conveyed the confusion of a
naval battle, boarding, and such. And the image of that guy sitting on
the 'seat of ease' as the camera panned down the port side in the snow -
that's going to stay with me for a long time.

FYI. A new Hornblower episode, "Hornblower and the Hotspur", will be
airing this coming Tuesday and Wednesday evenings on A&E.

Joe Wood

Gogarty wrote:
Has anyone seen this movie? I did yesterday. Disappointing. No depth at
all.

Gogarty wrote:

Has anyone seen this movie? I did yesterday. Disappointing. No depth at
all.

Yes, like another complex effort: "Dune". Frank Herbert, the author, complained
that the movie should have been titled "Scenes from Dune".

Parhaps the most distinguishing feature of the POB books is the slow pace.
Apparently POB was a fan of Louisa May Alcott with her detail, and it is said
that one of the volumes, in which the story is entirely (?) on land, is a
tribute to her. For that reason, it would seem impossible to accomplish the
feel of the books in a movie. And, really, try to think of the movie you would
produce from the real M&C, volume 1. By the time you got the music recital
where A meets M and challenges him, to the promotion, re-meeting and dinner,
fitting the Sophie - there's an hour gone just doing that properly, and they
haven't even got underway.

The diametrical opposite of POB's books are Patrick Cornwell, "Sharp" series, in
which this incredible (literally) ubermench of a junior officer winds up
hobnobbing with Nelson and all sorts of stuff. I couldn't stand it - too MTV.

I do hope that there will be future movies and that they will serve the
population of loyal readers by developing characters and such. Nevertheless, as
a production, it certainly conveyed the confusion of a naval battle, boarding,
and such. And the image of that guy sitting on the 'seat of ease' as the camera
panned down the port side in the snow - that's going to stay with me for a long
time.

FYI. A new Hornblower episode, "Hornblower and the Hotspur", will be
airing this coming Tuesday and Wednesday evenings on A&E.

Joe Wood

Gogarty wrote:
Has anyone seen this movie? I did yesterday. Disappointing. No depth at
all.

On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 09:00:09 -0500, Gogarty
wrote:

Has anyone seen this movie? I did yesterday. Disappointing. No depth at
all.

I don't know what you were looking for. I found lots of interesting
details. A couple of examples:


Stu'ns'ls being set by two totally different methods. Were these
French and English practice?

An amputation carried out with "original instruments." The tools look
exactly like those in the _Chirurgie_ section of the _Encyclopedie_ of
Diderot and D'Alembert.

There are other things to knock. The MOB scene is absurdly sentimental
and unrealistic.

But, There is lots of entertaining action-- enough so I will go back
and see it again. I want to check the cello and violin for period
detail. I think they must have been OK or I would have been
uncomfortable, but I can't recall exactly.





Rodney Myrvaagnes NYC J36 Gjo/a


"Be careful. The toe you stepped on yesterday may be connected to the ass you have to kiss today." --Former mayor Ciancia

I don't know what you were looking for. I found lots of interesting
details. A couple of examples:

My guess was he was looking for a balanced and engrossing screenplay and
action.
Glad you enjoyed the setwork and props.
Master and Commander is not good filmmaking.

Capt RB

In article ,
says...


I don't know what you were looking for. I found lots of interesting
details. A couple of examples:

My guess was he was looking for a balanced and engrossing screenplay and
action.
Glad you enjoyed the setwork and props.
Master and Commander is not good filmmaking.

My thought exactly. I appreciated the fidelity to period detail (except
for Dr. Maturin stumbling upon Origin of Species sometime before Darwin
got around to it). But that basically was the problem with the picture --
it was a catalog, not a story. Might have helped had I understood one
word in a hundred. Badly needed subtitles.

On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 12:59:10 -0500, Gogarty
wrote:

In article ,
says...


I don't know what you were looking for. I found lots of interesting
details. A couple of examples:

My guess was he was looking for a balanced and engrossing screenplay and
action.
Glad you enjoyed the setwork and props.
Master and Commander is not good filmmaking.

My thought exactly. I appreciated the fidelity to period detail (except
for Dr. Maturin stumbling upon Origin of Species sometime before Darwin
got around to it).

I found that amusing. Of course, it isn't impossible that some people
noticed some of those things before Darwin. Indeed, we know they did,
but not in the Galapagos AFIK.

But that basically was the problem with the picture --
it was a catalog, not a story. Might have helped had I understood one
word in a hundred. Badly needed subtitles.

I had no trouble understanding the sound track, but your point is well
taken. Whenever the dialect may be difficult, titles are a good idea.
I couldn't have followed Riff-raff or Trainspotters without them.



Rodney Myrvaagnes NYC J36 Gjo/a


"Be careful. The toe you stepped on yesterday may be connected to the ass you have to kiss today." --Former mayor Ciancia

On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 12:59:10 -0500, Gogarty
wrote:

In article ,
says...


I don't know what you were looking for. I found lots of interesting
details. A couple of examples:

My guess was he was looking for a balanced and engrossing screenplay and
action.
Glad you enjoyed the setwork and props.
Master and Commander is not good filmmaking.

My thought exactly. I appreciated the fidelity to period detail (except
for Dr. Maturin stumbling upon Origin of Species sometime before Darwin
got around to it).

I found that amusing. Of course, it isn't impossible that some people
noticed some of those things before Darwin. Indeed, we know they did,
but not in the Galapagos AFIK.

But that basically was the problem with the picture --
it was a catalog, not a story. Might have helped had I understood one
word in a hundred. Badly needed subtitles.

I had no trouble understanding the sound track, but your point is well
taken. Whenever the dialect may be difficult, titles are a good idea.
I couldn't have followed Riff-raff or Trainspotters without them.



Rodney Myrvaagnes NYC J36 Gjo/a


"Be careful. The toe you stepped on yesterday may be connected to the ass you have to kiss today." --Former mayor Ciancia