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Larry wrote:
" wrote in
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Larry, I'm not sure if you really believe this or are just trying to
stir up the conversation. In either case, it is complete nonsense.
I've met several 70 year olds who have are in great mental and
physical condition and who routinely sail their boats out of New
Zealand or Australia to the Pacific islands. Evidence suggests that
they have a handle on what it takes. Ability is ability. You either
have it or you don't.

Tom, I'm not trying to stir up trouble or a flamewar. I'm POSITIVE
sailors in your area of the world are MUCH more fit than the rich,
potbellied Americans walking down our docks in Charleston, SC. Those men
have been to sea for years, are hardened by hard work. OUR sailors are
bankers, lawyers, doctors, real estate tycoons who's hardest work is
standing in one place doing what they do in their tassled loafers under
an expensive Italian suit...in an air conditioned room...and working out
at the fitness center riding a bike and lifting small weights. Lifting
their glass at the yacht club or reaching in for their credit card raises
their heart rates.

They are playing a role game...."Captain". In America, it takes nothing
but MONEY, really. Some even mow their own lawns!....on riding lawn
mowers, of course! Those are the individuals you find offshore in
trouble, here.

Did anyone see what this nice old guy does for a living, besides the SS
checks and stock options, in this latest rescue? Does he fit my dock
description?



Larry
Face it Larry. You are just envious of people who have money. Why didn't
you go to school and become a CEO or some other lucrative endeavor.

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Larry ,, you are ****ing me off. I mean really, really, ****ing me off.

First you attack old people, like they can't make up their own minds whether
to sail or not.
Second, you want the "government" to license us! Are you F'n kidding? The
same assholes who invaded Iraq?
The same US government with senators such as Ted Kennedy? The US government
that is CORRUPT!

Where do you think the license money will go? Have you thought about that?

You know where it will go .. right in the pocket of some fatass, corrupt,
bloated, F..k nut.

Tell ya what .. if you can't post something more thought out than this ...

Stop sailing ... you are a danger to the rest of us!



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"Larry" wrote in message
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"KLC Lewis" wrote in news:wMadnSkQm-
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My God, this is so antithetical to America that I
can't believe you're posting it.


You don't FLY without a pilot's license, medical exam,
certification....before you fly over my house and endanger the public.

What's the difference in a boat on the ICW or harbor or shipping lane?

Why is that different than a Cessna 150? Any fool can fly a Cessna 150!
Hell, it flies itself unless you force it not to!

Larry
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On May 8, 1:07 pm, Larry wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote roups.com:

One of the saltiest and most capable boaters I ever knew was cruising
his 38-footer until a week before he died. In fact, we were with him
when he started having chest pains one evening at the Silverdale town
dock. We took him to a hospital to get checked out. That was the
beginning of the end for him, he didn't survive the angioplasty
operation the following week. He was 83 or 84, and his wife a couple
of years younger.

What a bunch of nonsense. NOONE you'll ever meet on the dock over 60
years old should be allowed to be the primary muscle on any boat going
out of the harbor, out of sight of land. I don't give a damn how many
years him and his wife got away with it. An 80+ year old man CANNOT do
the physical work of a much younger man (or woman), required to handle
such emergencies in such conditions. Hell, the 20-somethings are
overwhelmed by a lot of it.

Doesn't wash, no matter how many years they got away with it.

Larry
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Larry,

What kind of ignorant hogwash is this? I have never met a sailor over
60 whom I would not trust to be a good and reliable skipper. It's
true that as we age our physical abilities diminish. However, the
dangers encountered in sailing are more related to abilities of
judgement rather than abilities of muscle. The fact is, younger
sailors are just as liable to make the same errors in judgement as
older sailors. The problem encountered by the sailors in question
had nothing to do with their age and everything to do with their
judgement. And, I'd be willing to bet they could pass a "licensing
test". After all, we have licensing requirements for automobiles and
drivers of all ages still make stupid errors of judgement.

Peter
s/v Now or Never!

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Peter wrote in news:1178668142.994836.113080
@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:

Obviously, when we are given the freedom of choice, some
people will, unfortunately, make the wrong choices.


Those are the ones who need "direction". Not sure about NZ or Trinidad,
but in America, you can be a complete idiot, buy a 60' yacht with 2000HP
engines and just drive it away, no questions asked.....and not break any
laws if it has a fire extinguisher, taxes paid and everyone has a
lifejacket.........even if the driver is blind.

Larry
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krj wrote in news:AE80i.6246$0x4.4806
@bignews4.bellsouth.net:

Face it Larry. You are just envious of people who have money. Why didn't
you go to school and become a CEO or some other lucrative endeavor.



Wow...now the attack takes a turn!....(c;



Larry
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On Wed, 09 May 2007 00:00:23 +0000, Larry wrote:

"Leanne" wrote in :

Just because I am over 70, you want to take my boat away? I will admit
that the reason I bought my little ketch 11 years ago was because
being a split rig makes it a lot easier to handle the sails. I guess
it is time for me to join the stink potters and but a trawler.


Leanne




Not at all! I never said that! I said that IF you want to go offshore,
expecting young rescuers to risk their lives to save you, you MUST be
certified to be in a certain physical condition...or...failing
that...MUST have certifiable seamen aboard able to handle the boat during
your incapacitation or in overwhelming emergencies. Noone's gonna take
your boat toy away from you.

But, let's be reasonable just for a change, this hermit-on-a-boat crap
you see on every dock, the old man with the heart condition sailing with
his clueless wife who is, at best, an "informed passenger" and servant,
"and the world can kiss my ass" attitude IS endangering lives, besides
their own. Those boys in the helo deserve more respect and to be treated
better than just cannon fodder for some old fool hell bent on killing his
family....at all costs.

There DOES come a time, at some point, where EVERY ONE OF YOU needs to be
told NO, if you're so self-centered you cannot see the danger you're
putting yourself, and these rescuers/other boaters/etc. in.

This boat stupidity of just having money, being totally blind and driving
the Hatteras 58 away from the dock is JUST STUPID!

Larry

The problem is, Larry, that having a license is not any kind of a
guarantee that you will do what you should. Look at the people that
drive big boats. To get a Master's or Chief Engineer's papers is a
long and painful process, far more extensive then it would be feasible
to require an amateur sailer to go through. Yet having spent the years
at sea and sat the tests government licensed ships crew screw up --
frequently. Can you say Valdez?

Now, having said that, I concur that if you want to go to sea then the
monkey is on your own back and you should be able to take care of
yourself. But Licenses?

Let me give you just one example: I spent much of last year in
Singapore where ALL individuals who operate a boat that is powered by
an engine are required to have a license and I can assure you that the
Marine Police continually check for unlicensed operators.

One day I arrived at the Marina and saw a bunch of the guys standing
around a 25 ft. power boat on a cradle. Walked over and the boat had a
big hole in the bow. Says to the Fiberglass Guy that's stand there,
"what's this then?" He pointed to the bow and said, "see the green
paint?" It turned out that the owner/operator had programmed a buoy as
a waypoint into his chart plotter and was coming home after dark and
the buoy was right where it was supposed to be..... But, he had a
license.


Bruce in Bangkok
(brucepaigeatgmaildotcom)

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On Wed, 09 May 2007 00:10:54 +0000, Larry wrote:

Chuck Gould wrote in
oups.com:

Under you standard, almost nobody old enough to be retired would be
allowed to go boating without a babysitter?


I sail offshore on an Amel 41 ketch. Cap'n Geoffrey is around 70. It's
his boat. I must admit we HAVE sailed offshore of Florida, just the two
of us, between Ft Lauderdale and Ponce Inlet, S of Daytona Beach.
Weather was perfect or we wouldn't have gone.

Neither one of us are "disabled" and either one of us can sail her safely
for a day, maybe two. But, neither one of us will go offshore over 2 in
our condition, which isn't really that bad, but we DO GET OVERTIRED IN 2
DAYS....too tired for safe sailing in a squall condition, which happens
often, here.

Our "crew" is SIX sailors, sometimes EIGHT, for passages Charleston to
FL, for example. Everyone gets SLEEP, noone gets DEAD. All hands are
available, including ours, in bad situations. The other four are late
20's to mid 40's, experienced sailors, physically fit. And we STILL have
been beaten up to exhaustion a few times offshore of Georgia.

I cannot imagine how an 80-year-old goat and his 78-year-old wife can be
called "fit" to sail a 38' boat under those circumstances...I just can't!

Larry


Maybe so, Larry, but I'm about half way around the world from where
you are and the marina here is full of boats. Certainly some of them
are based here but I'd guess that half are on their way the rest of
the way around. I don't go around asking people how old they are but
from looking at them I'd guess many/most are over sixty and I have
known quite a number who were in their seventies. Hell! I am and I
sail a 40 footer; alone.

I think the difference is that you are doing something like a delivery
voyage, i.e., trying to get there quick. Most single handers are
certainly trying to get there but aren't adverse to heaving to if that
is the best solution to whatever is facing them.

I have a good friend who has sailed literally all over the Indian
Ocean alone. I know innumerable people who have sailed from south
Africa to Thailand, alone. No licenses either..

I just brought a motor boat from Singapore to Phuket, some 1,000
miles, with just my wife.

As for your six man crew, to quote someone or another, "I don't know
six people I'd want to go to sea with" :-).


Bruce in Bangkok
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As for your six man crew, to quote someone or another, "I don't know
six people I'd want to go to sea with" :-).


Bruce in Bangkok
(brucepaigeatgmaildotcom)


Bingo!

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....
I don't recall just now, but how old was Sir Francis Chichester when he
circled the world in Gypsy Moth?

--Alan Gomes

I think he was 65 and suffering from cancer and chronic injuries...

-- Tom.