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They are 200 miles out at sea. Duh ??? Isn't that in international waters?
Maybe they aren't American .. and maybe they don't want no stinkin license. Nanny Nanny Nanny ..... Can't people kill themselves anymore without some government asshole telling them to get a license? Talk about total bull****.. take the license and stick it up your ass. ================================================== === "Larry" wrote in message ... "KLC Lewis" wrote in et: Well, that's the Nanny State solution, sure. The Free Citizen solution would be more along the lines of, "Go and do what you want. But if you get into a world of hurt and want to be rescued, you will receive a bill for our services." Nah, can't have that. Too much freedom. That would be fine BUT your unlicensed stupids' actions would STILL endanger everyone else....like it does now...on any waterway. It's not about the rescue. It's about a certain level of expertise to operate the equipment....EXACTLY like every other moving form of transportation you use. Larry -- |
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Larry wrote:
Vic Smith wrote in : Anybody know if this storm was well-predicted? It's been going on for days and is very well reported, here in Charleston. Trucks are being warned to stay off the high bridges. Winds were 50 mph here, yesterday and about the same, today. A front off New England is pushing this low backwards down the East Coast. Seas offshore of Charleston are over 30 feet high, according to a local radio station, this morning. Airplanes are landing with big crab angles at the airport as it's blowing between runway headings. The sky is clear, but 50% pop tonight and tomorrow as it approaches us. They had no business being out there, even in clear weather! This statement from the webpage says it all: "a couple in their 70’s and a 40-year-old woman who were stranded 200 miles out to sea." IN THEIR 70'S?! COME ON! How stupid is that, offshore 200 miles with NO YOUNG, STRONG BACKS ABOARD?!! As long as rich stupids like these are buying boats, I still say LICENSING should be mandatory. You want to sail...fine. You take the course, TAKE THE PHYSICAL TO SEE IF YOU REALLY BELONG OUT THERE (no matter what YOU think), then, if you pass all the REQUIREMENTS....then, we issue you a LICENSE, we can revoke when you are too old, to PREVENT YOU from endangering the lives of young rescue swimmers, helo crews and boat crews just because you are too stupid and pig headed to see you are too old to go "out there" without enough MUSCLE and ENDURANCE for that worst case scenario you should be REQUIRED to be prepared for. NOONE IN THEIR 70'S NEED APPLY! They should be PASSENGERS of ABLE SEAMEN! Larry I am not yet 70, but I am closer to 70 that 50. I would much prefer to boat in areas where most of the people handling the boats were in their 70's experienced and attentive to the job at hand, rather than go boating in areas where you get a hangover from the guy in the next boat when you get down wind of him. I don't believe age has any thing to do with operation of a boat. Experience and common sense over rule any other factor. -- Keith Nuttle 3110 Marquette Court Indianapolis, IN 46268 317-802-0699 |
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Licensing? Nonsense. So they give you a test and you know enought
right answers to pass. Does that make you a safe boater? All it proves is that you can study and pass a test. Do you know how to handle your boat? Do you exercise good judgement? Sailing is voluntary, nobody makes you participate. Sailing involves a degree of danger. The government cannot make sailing safe. The government cannot make you a safe sailor. As a matter of fact, even you cannot eliminate all the danger, you cannot make sailing safe, you can only make it less dangerous. As for denying sailing opportunities to people of certain ages, only they can know if they are capable of the challenge. Obviously, when we are given the freedom of choice, some people will, unfortunately, make the wrong choices. Peter s/v Now or Never! |
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"Leanne" wrote in :
Just because I am over 70, you want to take my boat away? I will admit that the reason I bought my little ketch 11 years ago was because being a split rig makes it a lot easier to handle the sails. I guess it is time for me to join the stink potters and but a trawler. Leanne Not at all! I never said that! I said that IF you want to go offshore, expecting young rescuers to risk their lives to save you, you MUST be certified to be in a certain physical condition...or...failing that...MUST have certifiable seamen aboard able to handle the boat during your incapacitation or in overwhelming emergencies. Noone's gonna take your boat toy away from you. But, let's be reasonable just for a change, this hermit-on-a-boat crap you see on every dock, the old man with the heart condition sailing with his clueless wife who is, at best, an "informed passenger" and servant, "and the world can kiss my ass" attitude IS endangering lives, besides their own. Those boys in the helo deserve more respect and to be treated better than just cannon fodder for some old fool hell bent on killing his family....at all costs. There DOES come a time, at some point, where EVERY ONE OF YOU needs to be told NO, if you're so self-centered you cannot see the danger you're putting yourself, and these rescuers/other boaters/etc. in. This boat stupidity of just having money, being totally blind and driving the Hatteras 58 away from the dock is JUST STUPID! Larry -- This spammer called my cellphone: First American Payment 10101 E Arapaho Rd Richardson, TX 75081 972-301-3766 They were nasty when I politely said I wasn't interested....(c; |
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Chuck Gould wrote in
ups.com: Under you standard, almost nobody old enough to be retired would be allowed to go boating without a babysitter? I sail offshore on an Amel 41 ketch. Cap'n Geoffrey is around 70. It's his boat. I must admit we HAVE sailed offshore of Florida, just the two of us, between Ft Lauderdale and Ponce Inlet, S of Daytona Beach. Weather was perfect or we wouldn't have gone. Neither one of us are "disabled" and either one of us can sail her safely for a day, maybe two. But, neither one of us will go offshore over 2 in our condition, which isn't really that bad, but we DO GET OVERTIRED IN 2 DAYS....too tired for safe sailing in a squall condition, which happens often, here. Our "crew" is SIX sailors, sometimes EIGHT, for passages Charleston to FL, for example. Everyone gets SLEEP, noone gets DEAD. All hands are available, including ours, in bad situations. The other four are late 20's to mid 40's, experienced sailors, physically fit. And we STILL have been beaten up to exhaustion a few times offshore of Georgia. I cannot imagine how an 80-year-old goat and his 78-year-old wife can be called "fit" to sail a 38' boat under those circumstances...I just can't! Larry -- |
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"Larry" wrote in message ... "KLC Lewis" wrote in news:wMadnSkQm- : My God, this is so antithetical to America that I can't believe you're posting it. You don't FLY without a pilot's license, medical exam, certification....before you fly over my house and endanger the public. What's the difference in a boat on the ICW or harbor or shipping lane? Why is that different than a Cessna 150? Any fool can fly a Cessna 150! Hell, it flies itself unless you force it not to! Larry -- Of course you can fly without a pilot's license: Go Ultralight. Don't even need a driver's license. Nobody aboard but yourself, you can only kill yourself -- unless, of course, you happen to crash into a crowd of "innocent bystanders" at Oshkosh. What's the difference? Eliminate the "if you get into trouble we'll come try to save you for free, possibly dying in the process" element from the Government, and the issue solves itself, and people remain FREE. YOU would put them into some ridiculous playpen with the Government Nanny watching over them. A pox upon them and anyone who proposes such nonsense. You can have the illusion of safety or you can be free. Choose. |
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ups.com: Larry, I'm not sure if you really believe this or are just trying to stir up the conversation. In either case, it is complete nonsense. I've met several 70 year olds who have are in great mental and physical condition and who routinely sail their boats out of New Zealand or Australia to the Pacific islands. Evidence suggests that they have a handle on what it takes. Ability is ability. You either have it or you don't. Tom, I'm not trying to stir up trouble or a flamewar. I'm POSITIVE sailors in your area of the world are MUCH more fit than the rich, potbellied Americans walking down our docks in Charleston, SC. Those men have been to sea for years, are hardened by hard work. OUR sailors are bankers, lawyers, doctors, real estate tycoons who's hardest work is standing in one place doing what they do in their tassled loafers under an expensive Italian suit...in an air conditioned room...and working out at the fitness center riding a bike and lifting small weights. Lifting their glass at the yacht club or reaching in for their credit card raises their heart rates. They are playing a role game...."Captain". In America, it takes nothing but MONEY, really. Some even mow their own lawns!....on riding lawn mowers, of course! Those are the individuals you find offshore in trouble, here. Did anyone see what this nice old guy does for a living, besides the SS checks and stock options, in this latest rescue? Does he fit my dock description? Larry -- This spammer called my cellphone: First American Payment 10101 E Arapaho Rd Richardson, TX 75081 972-301-3766 They were nasty when I politely said I wasn't interested....(c; |
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On Wed, 09 May 2007 00:00:23 +0000, Larry wrote:
This boat stupidity of just having money, being totally blind and driving the Hatteras 58 away from the dock is JUST STUPID! It won't happen too many times. Insurance companies are the real gate keepers. |
What did these sailors do wrong?
On Wed, 09 May 2007 00:02:39 +0000, Larry wrote:
You don't FLY without a pilot's license, medical exam, certification....before you fly over my house and endanger the public. What's the difference in a boat on the ICW or harbor or shipping lane? The difference is that boats don't fall from the sky. Next question please? |
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