On Apr 13, 9:36 am, the_bmac wrote:
Gogarty wrote:
Why? One wonders. Surely that's not what the average Ozzie wanted. New
Zealanders seem to be more level headed about foreign entanglements. But
then, they are quite different countries despite being lumped as The
Antipodies or Anzacs.

Not sure, but if in Australia they use the first-past-the-post electoral model, un-representative,
un-Democratic anomalies can occur, such as we see in Canada where a dimwit Republican wannabe gets to
be Prime Minister with 30-35% of the popular vote. Polls done by conservative newspapers show 70% of
Canadians NOT in support of our soldiers being in Afghanistan fighting Bush's mythical "war on
terror", yet our PM keeps us there.

Mythical war on terror? Tell that to the 3000+ killed in NYC by the
Taliban, based in Afganstan. BTW 25 of the people killed on 9-11 were
Canadian citizens, not that you seem to give a f*&k.

These people are common criminals, heroin traders and murderers. The
al-Queda and their Afgahn hosts the Taliban kill, tourture and maim
the innocent to control 75% of the worlds heroin traffic. They do so
under the guise of Islam. Islam is against terror, Islam is for
understanding and termperance! These people headed by Osama bin
Landen, the Taliban the al-Qaeda terrorist camps have held hostage a
great religion for long enough! Now the truth is comming out about the
Taliban and Osama bin Laden. Let us make sure that there are no more
bin ladens!


But whether this rightard swing in Australia explains a Customs
regime that seems to be out of control is an open question.

Right, they should just allow anyone, at any time, to sail in on a
breeze. So what if they do not follow proper up to date custom
procedures. It's not like a terrorist would attack them....now is it?

Don't like it, don't go to OZ.

Joe

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These people are common criminals, heroin traders and murderers. The
al-Queda and their Afgahn hosts the Taliban kill, tourture and maim
the innocent to control 75% of the worlds heroin traffic. They do so
under the guise of Islam.

Exactly. They are criminals (not sure about the "common" part). Since when
does a nation go to war to combat crime, however heinous? It is impossible
to fight a "war on terror (sic)" or even a war on terrorism; terrorists are
everywhere, and will strike targets of opportunity when they present
themselves, and most of these people cannot be identified before they commit
their particular crime.

Should bin Laden be dealt with? Absolutely. But apparently he is worth more
to the Powers that Be alive and free than dead. Look at all the power they
have gained by his being "at large."

On Apr 13, 10:14 am, "KLC Lewis" wrote:
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These people are common criminals, heroin traders and murderers. The
al-Queda and their Afgahn hosts the Taliban kill, tourture and maim
the innocent to control 75% of the worlds heroin traffic. They do so
under the guise of Islam.

Exactly. They are criminals (not sure about the "common" part). Since when
does a nation go to war to combat crime, however heinous? It is impossible
to fight a "war on terror (sic)" or even a war on terrorism; terrorists are
everywhere, and will strike targets of opportunity when they present
themselves, and most of these people cannot be identified before they commit
their particular crime.

Wrong.



Should bin Laden be dealt with? Absolutely. But apparently he is worth more
to the Powers that Be alive and free than dead. Look at all the power they
have gained by his being "at large."

Yeah right, and 9-11 was an inside job, and M. Moore is your hero.

Joe

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On Apr 13, 10:14 am, "KLC Lewis" wrote:
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oups.com...

These people are common criminals, heroin traders and murderers. The
al-Queda and their Afgahn hosts the Taliban kill, tourture and maim
the innocent to control 75% of the worlds heroin traffic. They do so
under the guise of Islam.

Exactly. They are criminals (not sure about the "common" part). Since
when
does a nation go to war to combat crime, however heinous? It is
impossible
to fight a "war on terror (sic)" or even a war on terrorism; terrorists
are
everywhere, and will strike targets of opportunity when they present
themselves, and most of these people cannot be identified before they
commit
their particular crime.

Wrong.



Should bin Laden be dealt with? Absolutely. But apparently he is worth
more
to the Powers that Be alive and free than dead. Look at all the power
they
have gained by his being "at large."

Yeah right, and 9-11 was an inside job, and M. Moore is your hero.


Apparently, an administration, that mislead the country about a war of
choice where 10s of 1000s have died needlessly and that continues to
capriciously sacrifice the lives of our troops, that is incompetent and
corrupt beyond belief, and that spends our money like a drunken sailor, is
yours.

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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

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On Apr 13, 10:14 am, "KLC Lewis" wrote:
wrote in message

oups.com...

These people are common criminals, heroin traders and murderers. The
al-Queda and their Afgahn hosts the Taliban kill, tourture and maim
the innocent to control 75% of the worlds heroin traffic. They do so
under the guise of Islam.

Exactly. They are criminals (not sure about the "common" part). Since
when
does a nation go to war to combat crime, however heinous? It is
impossible
to fight a "war on terror (sic)" or even a war on terrorism; terrorists
are
everywhere, and will strike targets of opportunity when they present
themselves, and most of these people cannot be identified before they
commit
their particular crime.

Wrong.



Should bin Laden be dealt with? Absolutely. But apparently he is worth
more
to the Powers that Be alive and free than dead. Look at all the power
they
have gained by his being "at large."

Yeah right, and 9-11 was an inside job, and M. Moore is your hero.

Joe



Wow. You totally defeated my arguments. Impressive.

On Apr 13, 3:32 pm, "KLC Lewis" wrote:
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On Apr 13, 10:14 am, "KLC Lewis" wrote:
wrote in message

groups.com...

These people are common criminals, heroin traders and murderers. The
al-Queda and their Afgahn hosts the Taliban kill, tourture and maim
the innocent to control 75% of the worlds heroin traffic. They do so
under the guise of Islam.

Exactly. They are criminals (not sure about the "common" part). Since
when
does a nation go to war to combat crime, however heinous? It is
impossible
to fight a "war on terror (sic)" or even a war on terrorism; terrorists
are
everywhere, and will strike targets of opportunity when they present
themselves, and most of these people cannot be identified before they
commit
their particular crime.

Wrong.

Should bin Laden be dealt with? Absolutely. But apparently he is worth
more
to the Powers that Be alive and free than dead. Look at all the power
they
have gained by his being "at large."

Yeah right, and 9-11 was an inside job, and M. Moore is your hero.

Joe

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No doubt.

Joe

In article .com,
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Mythical war on terror?

SRC, you misread the post to which you were replying. Of course there is
real terror focused against us. It kills real people.

Our current inept president is feeding more and more fuel on the
misplaced anger against our country and likely more American lives will
be lost directly as a result of terrorist activity engendered as a
result of his policies.

What the poster was referring to was the activities of this
administration having little to do with terrorism (other than perhaps
feeding its fire). Our war in Iraq is over oil. The administration made
it clear with its handouts to maintain oil fields and its recent
insistence that Iran allow foreign multinational corporations to control
its oil reserves. As far as electrical, water, and health we destroyed
the lives of Iraquis making any sort of lasting peace problematic.

Our efforts in Afghanistan have resulted in the greatest upsurge in
opium and related poppy product exports in such a short time in our
lifetime. The war on drugs is another bait and switch (as the Iraq oil
fiasco) creating a class of criminals, more fear (a staple of this
administration's policies) and a distraction both in focus and use of
funds against the real crimes and criminals in this country.

Can we now get back to boating/cruising.

Harlan

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To respond, obviously drop the "nospan"?

On Apr 13, 11:31 am, Harlan Lachman wrote:
In article .com,

wrote:
Mythical war on terror?

SRC, you misread the post to which you were replying. Of course there is
real terror focused against us. It kills real people.


I did not miss read anything Harlan, here is the exact quote:
" Polls done by conservative newspapers show 70% of Canadians NOT in
support of our soldiers being in Afghanistan fighting Bush's mythical
"war on terror", "




Our current inept president is feeding more and more fuel on the
misplaced anger against our country and likely more American lives will
be lost directly as a result of terrorist activity engendered as a
result of his policies.


"We are engaged in a basic struggle," says Senator John McCain. "A
struggle between humanity and inhumanity, between builders and
destroyers. If fighting these people and preventing the export of
their brand of radicalism and terror is not intrinsic to the national
security and most cherished values of the United States, I don't know
what is."

What the poster was referring to was the activities of this
administration having little to do with terrorism (other than perhaps
feeding its fire).

Tell that to the 25,000 troops in Afghanistan, including some 14,000
serving in the NATO-led force, which totals about 36,000 troops. You
may be willing to bow down to terrorists but they are not.

Our war in Iraq is over oil.

Bull****, they do not have any measurable oil in Afghanistan, and the
amount coming out of iran is very little on the world market. If we
wanted to go to war over oil I can think of several other more
profitable places to invade.


The administration made
it clear with its handouts to maintain oil fields and its recent
insistence that Iran allow foreign multinational corporations to control
its oil reserves.

Iran does not have the infrastructure or equiptment to do the job.
Until they have a stable govt more people in Iraq will profit by the
oil getting to a being sold on the market. Lets hope the contracts
"handouts" are given out according to the countries helping Iran the
most.


As far as electrical, water, and health we destroyed
the lives of Iraquis making any sort of lasting peace problematic.

We destroyed? **** just yeaterday an Al-Queida suicide bomber tried to
destroy the newly ELECTED parlement, and they destroyed a major bridge
in the country..Not the USA. I'm glad the Iraqi elected leaders are
not as gulliable as you are.

Iraqi lawmakers expressed outrage and resolve today in a rare session
of parliament on the Muslim holy day, a day after a suicide bomber
ripped through their cafeteria in a brazen attack inside Baghdad's
U.S.-guarded Green Zone.

A red and white bouquet sat in place of Mohammed Awad, a Sunni member
of the moderate National Dialogue Front killed in Thursday's attack on
the parliament cafeteria. Lawmakers ambled up to the podium to
denounce the bombing, including one man with his arm in a sling and a
woman wearing a neck brace.

"The more they (terrorists) act, the more solid we become. When they
take from us one martyr, we will offer more martyrs," Vice President
Adil Abdul-Mahdi said. "The more they target our unity, the stronger
our unity becomes."

Sounds like a determined new govt to me.


Our efforts in Afghanistan have resulted in the greatest upsurge in
opium and related poppy product exports in such a short time in our
lifetime. The war on drugs is another bait and switch (as the Iraq oil
fiasco) creating a class of criminals, more fear (a staple of this
administration's policies) and a distraction both in focus and use of
funds against the real crimes and criminals in this country.

Can we now get back to boating/cruising.

A freedom you can enjoy, without worry. Freedoms nice huh?

Joe

Harlan

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To respond, obviously drop the "nospan"?

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On Apr 13, 9:36 am, the_bmac wrote:
Not sure, but if in Australia they use the first-past-the-post electoral model, un-representative,
un-Democratic anomalies can occur, such as we see in Canada where a dimwit Republican wannabe gets to
be Prime Minister with 30-35% of the popular vote. Polls done by conservative newspapers show 70% of
Canadians NOT in support of our soldiers being in Afghanistan fighting Bush's mythical "war on
terror", yet our PM keeps us there.

Mythical war on terror? Tell that to the 3000+ killed in NYC by the
Taliban, based in Afganstan. BTW 25 of the people killed on 9-11 were
Canadian citizens, not that you seem to give a f*&k.

I've obviously struck a nerve here. At any rate, try not to be so dim in your responses. This "don't
give a ****" crap spews straight out of your Ann Coulter handbook, and she's a dumb as a post. How do
you think that makes you sound? I think your certainty about just who is responsible for the walking
chunks of human excrement who caused those aircraft to strike those buildings is premature.

These people are common criminals, heroin traders and murderers. The
al-Queda and their Afgahn hosts the Taliban kill, tourture and maim
the innocent to control 75% of the worlds heroin traffic. They do so
under the guise of Islam. Islam is against terror, Islam is for
understanding and termperance! These people headed by Osama bin
Landen, the Taliban the al-Qaeda terrorist camps have held hostage a
great religion for long enough! Now the truth is comming out about the
Taliban and Osama bin Laden. Let us make sure that there are no more
bin ladens!

Interesting, creative, passionate, but sadly irrelevant; which brings us to the funny part. ruth?
Some of you Americans have a memory that only goes back about 5.5 years. You perhaps don't know, or
would like to forget; which US Government agency funded and trained Bin Laden and the Mujahideen in
their fight against the USSR in the 80's; which US Government agencies and officials promised Bin
Laden and the Mujahideen all manner of financial aid and support as reward for fighting against the
Russians at that time and which US government agencies and officials abandoned Bin Laden and the
Mujahideen like they were bags of dog **** after the Russians finally gave up and left Afghanistan.
Who do you think created these monsters, Einstein? Just who do you think are al-Qaeda and the
Taliban? They used to be your allies ya ****in maroon.

BTW, why were Bin Laden family members allowed to fly out of the US in the days after Sept. 11 when
any good ol' American boy couldn't even do a run-up in a C-152?

But whether this rightard swing in Australia explains a Customs
regime that seems to be out of control is an open question.

Right, they should just allow anyone, at any time, to sail in on a
breeze. So what if they do not follow proper up to date custom
procedures. It's not like a terrorist would attack them....now is it?

Straw man, but nice try.
Do any of those people cited in those articles look like terrorists to you? Do the actions of the
Customs officials in these stories sound like rational behaviour to you? Of course given that you
seem as happy as Larry to have had your constitutional rights violated by the idiot Bush, perhaps
fascist behaviour such as has been described has become normal for you. After all, you're safe, yes?
and you're on good terms with your local librarian, yes? But you probably only take out the "good"
books, yes? Nothing to worry about there, and who cares if the NSA listens to your cellphone calls,
yes? You're a good American with nothing to hide, yes?

Don't like it, don't go to OZ.

Okay, you don't seem too bright so I'll recap the thread for you. Nice people make mistakes and get
reamed by Australian Customs and legal system. Some Australians post their discomfort and shame over
these circumstances, noting a change since a certain right-wing politico dillhole has come to power.
The point is, stupid, that these sailors have been abused by an Australian system whose officials have
acted with the discretionary skill of turnips, now seemingly motivated by the same state-sponsored
fear and paranoia you seem to think is justified.

What a rube!

On Apr 14, 3:02 am, the_bmac wrote:


Don't like it, don't go to OZ.

Okay, you don't seem too bright so I'll recap the thread for you. Nice people make mistakes and get
reamed by Australian Customs and legal system.
snip
state-sponsored
fear and paranoia you seem to think is justified.

What a rube!
I actually agreed with the rest of your rant but, REALITY CHECK:

If the guy would've just admitted that he screwed up, he'd have gotten
off with a hand slap. Instead he is STILL crying over injustice and
trampled
rights.
Hey Dude, you are cruising around the world! That's a privilege, who
the h*ll
do you think you are?

(Tyndale - Jas 4:2-3) Ye lust and have not. Ye envie and have
indignacion and cannot obtayne. Ye fight and warre and have not
because ye axe not. Ye axe and receave not, because ye axe a mysse:
even to consume it apon youre volupteousnes [lusts, pleasures,
concupiscences, ηδοναις, or greed].

Methinks the guy should get 1-5 lashes and an invitation to leave.