"Capt. JG" wrote:

"Keith Hughes" wrote in message
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Capt. JG wrote:
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On Mar 16, 10:48 am, "Capt. JG" wrote:

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Lying ahull?

Lying ahull is a very old technique for weathering a storm with no sail up.
It's not used much any more, since it doesn't give you any control. A better
technique is heaving to, which leaves sail up and gives you some ability
to maneauver.

I agree that lying ahull is not a good thing to do. However heaving
to is not possible in all types of sailboats, or at least is more
difficult to do.

The basic technique for heaving to, is to tack from close hauled without
releasing the jib, then ease the main, and lash the tiller to leward or the
wheel to windward. This calms the boat down, and can be used to stop for
lunch, etc.

Here's a long explanation of the various techniques...

http://www.boats.com/news-reviews/ar....html?lid=1284

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"heaving to" is a sea anchor and storm sail and "lying ahull" is
basicly adrift and depending on your boat running fair.


That's basically correct given that URL. Heaving to is doing
something to make the boat keep still in good orientation to the
waves. There are other techniques to do that and a sea anchor is one
of them.

Nope... read it again. Heaving to is using your sails and rudder...
nothing to do with a sea anchor.

Nope, not according to the linked info. To quote:

"But, heaving to is most often done when the wind is really piping. There
are three generally accepted ways to heave to in a sail boat: lying to a
sea anchor or para-anchor; lying ahull; and, heaving to under reduced
sail."

Keith Hughes

Huh?

Three ways:

It says there
"are three generally accepted ways to HEAVE TO in a sailboat"

and lists three ways

1) lying to a sea anchor or para-anchor
2) lying ahull
3) heaving to under reduced sail

Thus, heaving-to is under reduced sail and has nothing to do with a sea
anchor.

We know what we mean by heaving to because we are sailors. But that's
not what that passage actually SAYS.

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"Capt. JG" wrote:

"Keith Hughes" wrote in message
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Capt. JG wrote:
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On Mar 16, 10:48 am, "Capt. JG" wrote:

"Two meter troll" wrote in
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Lying ahull?

Lying ahull is a very old technique for weathering a storm with no
sail up.
It's not used much any more, since it doesn't give you any
control. A better
technique is heaving to, which leaves sail up and gives you some
ability
to maneauver.

I agree that lying ahull is not a good thing to do. However heaving
to is not possible in all types of sailboats, or at least is more
difficult to do.

The basic technique for heaving to, is to tack from close hauled
without
releasing the jib, then ease the main, and lash the tiller to
leward or the
wheel to windward. This calms the boat down, and can be used to
stop for
lunch, etc.

Here's a long explanation of the various techniques...

http://www.boats.com/news-reviews/ar....html?lid=1284

--
"j" ganz

"heaving to" is a sea anchor and storm sail and "lying ahull" is
basicly adrift and depending on your boat running fair.


That's basically correct given that URL. Heaving to is doing
something to make the boat keep still in good orientation to the
waves. There are other techniques to do that and a sea anchor is one
of them.

Nope... read it again. Heaving to is using your sails and rudder...
nothing to do with a sea anchor.

Nope, not according to the linked info. To quote:

"But, heaving to is most often done when the wind is really piping.
There
are three generally accepted ways to heave to in a sail boat: lying
to a
sea anchor or para-anchor; lying ahull; and, heaving to under
reduced
sail."

Keith Hughes

Huh?

Three ways:

It says there
"are three generally accepted ways to HEAVE TO in a sailboat"

and lists three ways

1) lying to a sea anchor or para-anchor
2) lying ahull
3) heaving to under reduced sail

Thus, heaving-to is under reduced sail and has nothing to do with a
sea
anchor.

We know what we mean by heaving to because we are sailors. But that's
not what that passage actually SAYS.

Very good information. I thought heaving-to was only done using a backed
jib and a main (usually reefed). I just learned something new. Now I
know better than to believe Capt. JG. Looks like he hasn't kept up with
the new terminology.

I'm Ted Bell!

"Rosalie B." wrote in message
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"Capt. JG" wrote:

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Capt. JG wrote:
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On Mar 16, 10:48 am, "Capt. JG" wrote:

"Two meter troll" wrote in
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Lying ahull?

Lying ahull is a very old technique for weathering a storm with no
sail up.
It's not used much any more, since it doesn't give you any control. A
better
technique is heaving to, which leaves sail up and gives you some
ability
to maneauver.

I agree that lying ahull is not a good thing to do. However heaving
to is not possible in all types of sailboats, or at least is more
difficult to do.

The basic technique for heaving to, is to tack from close hauled
without
releasing the jib, then ease the main, and lash the tiller to leward
or the
wheel to windward. This calms the boat down, and can be used to stop
for
lunch, etc.

Here's a long explanation of the various techniques...

http://www.boats.com/news-reviews/ar....html?lid=1284

--
"j" ganz

"heaving to" is a sea anchor and storm sail and "lying ahull" is
basicly adrift and depending on your boat running fair.


That's basically correct given that URL. Heaving to is doing
something to make the boat keep still in good orientation to the
waves. There are other techniques to do that and a sea anchor is one
of them.

Nope... read it again. Heaving to is using your sails and rudder...
nothing to do with a sea anchor.

Nope, not according to the linked info. To quote:

"But, heaving to is most often done when the wind is really piping.
There
are three generally accepted ways to heave to in a sail boat: lying to a
sea anchor or para-anchor; lying ahull; and, heaving to under reduced
sail."

Keith Hughes

Huh?

Three ways:

It says there
"are three generally accepted ways to HEAVE TO in a sailboat"

and lists three ways

1) lying to a sea anchor or para-anchor
2) lying ahull
3) heaving to under reduced sail

Thus, heaving-to is under reduced sail and has nothing to do with a sea
anchor.

We know what we mean by heaving to because we are sailors. But that's
not what that passage actually SAYS.


He may have used the term heave-to (incorrectly) in the intro paragraph, but
lying to a sea anchor and heaving to (the technique) have nothing to do with
each other.

Type: define: heave to in google.

Actually, there's a fourth way to heave-to.... I always ask people to do it
on the leward side. g


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"Rosalie B." wrote in message
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"Capt. JG" wrote:

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Capt. JG wrote:
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On Mar 16, 10:48 am, "Capt. JG" wrote:

"Two meter troll" wrote in
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Lying ahull?

Lying ahull is a very old technique for weathering a storm with
no sail up.
It's not used much any more, since it doesn't give you any
control. A better
technique is heaving to, which leaves sail up and gives you some
ability
to maneauver.

I agree that lying ahull is not a good thing to do. However heaving
to is not possible in all types of sailboats, or at least is more
difficult to do.

The basic technique for heaving to, is to tack from close hauled
without
releasing the jib, then ease the main, and lash the tiller to
leward or the
wheel to windward. This calms the boat down, and can be used to
stop for
lunch, etc.

Here's a long explanation of the various techniques...

http://www.boats.com/news-reviews/ar....html?lid=1284

--
"j" ganz

"heaving to" is a sea anchor and storm sail and "lying ahull" is
basicly adrift and depending on your boat running fair.


That's basically correct given that URL. Heaving to is doing
something to make the boat keep still in good orientation to the
waves. There are other techniques to do that and a sea anchor is one
of them.

Nope... read it again. Heaving to is using your sails and
rudder...
nothing to do with a sea anchor.

Nope, not according to the linked info. To quote:

"But, heaving to is most often done when the wind is really piping.
There
are three generally accepted ways to heave to in a sail boat: lying
to a
sea anchor or para-anchor; lying ahull; and, heaving to under
reduced
sail."

Keith Hughes

Huh?

Three ways:

It says there
"are three generally accepted ways to HEAVE TO in a sailboat"

and lists three ways

1) lying to a sea anchor or para-anchor
2) lying ahull
3) heaving to under reduced sail

Thus, heaving-to is under reduced sail and has nothing to do with a
sea
anchor.

We know what we mean by heaving to because we are sailors. But
that's
not what that passage actually SAYS.


He may have used the term heave-to (incorrectly) in the intro
paragraph, but lying to a sea anchor and heaving to (the technique)
have nothing to do with each other.

Type: define: heave to in google.

Actually, there's a fourth way to heave-to.... I always ask people to
do it on the leward side. g

I'm relatively new to sailing and I never heard of a leward side. Did
you mean leeward side? If you did then you're still not using the right
expression. I believe "lee rail" is what you puke over. But you needn't
worry about puking if you enjoy a steak dinner with baked potato wrapped
in tinfoil at Ted's of Beverly Hills Steakhouse where we like to put our
meat in your mouth.

I'm Ted Bell!

"Capt. JG" wrote:

"Rosalie B." wrote in message
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"Capt. JG" wrote:
snip

Here's a long explanation of the various techniques...

http://www.boats.com/news-reviews/ar....html?lid=1284

"heaving to" is a sea anchor and storm sail and "lying ahull" is
basicly adrift and depending on your boat running fair.

That's basically correct given that URL. Heaving to is doing
something to make the boat keep still in good orientation to the
waves. There are other techniques to do that and a sea anchor is one
of them.

Nope... read it again. Heaving to is using your sails and rudder...
nothing to do with a sea anchor.

Nope, not according to the linked info. To quote:

"But, heaving to is most often done when the wind is really piping.

There
are three generally accepted ways to heave to in a sail boat: lying to a
sea anchor or para-anchor; lying ahull; and, heaving to under reduced
sail."


Three ways:

It says there
"are three generally accepted ways to HEAVE TO in a sailboat"

and lists three ways

1) lying to a sea anchor or para-anchor
2) lying ahull
3) heaving to under reduced sail

Thus, heaving-to is under reduced sail and has nothing to do with a sea
anchor.

We know what we mean by heaving to because we are sailors. But that's
not what that passage actually SAYS.

He may have used the term heave-to (incorrectly) in the intro paragraph, but
lying to a sea anchor and heaving to (the technique) have nothing to do with
each other.

Who is the HE you refer to as using the term incorrectly. You gave
this URL as an explanation. Why do that if you think that what is
written is incorrect?

I think the person who wrote the explanation is using 'heave to' in
the general sense of storm weather tactics.

Don't be so quick to criticize a non-sailor for actually reading what
is written instead of what you think was written. Because the point
is to explain what a sailboat would do in case of a storm differently
than what a power boat would do. The OP grasped quite quickly that
lying ahull would perhaps not be a wise idea, and why that would be
so. Why nitpick about what he is calling heaving to?

Note: It is necessary to practice heaving to just as anything else,
and while you might want to do it first in good weather, it might be a
good idea to try it sometime in heavy weather conditions. We do it
with the staysail and main or with the staysail and jib, and one of
the other people who has our type of boat says that one of those ways
is wrong. (I don't remember which he says is correct.) I'm pretty
sure that we don't use the main and jib, but I could be wrong about
that.

We also have a sea anchor, but have not practiced with it yet because
in the Chesapeake there's too much traffic for it to be needed. Plus
there's a lot of places to hide.

It's also a good idea to have the canvas reduced before you really
need to do it.

Type: define: heave to in google.

Actually, there's a fourth way to heave-to.... I always ask people to do it
on the leward side. g

"Rosalie B." wrote in message
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"Capt. JG" wrote:

"Rosalie B." wrote in message
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"Capt. JG" wrote:
snip

Here's a long explanation of the various techniques...

http://www.boats.com/news-reviews/ar....html?lid=1284

"heaving to" is a sea anchor and storm sail and "lying ahull" is
basicly adrift and depending on your boat running fair.

That's basically correct given that URL. Heaving to is doing
something to make the boat keep still in good orientation to the
waves. There are other techniques to do that and a sea anchor is one
of them.

Nope... read it again. Heaving to is using your sails and rudder...
nothing to do with a sea anchor.

Nope, not according to the linked info. To quote:

"But, heaving to is most often done when the wind is really piping.

There
are three generally accepted ways to heave to in a sail boat: lying to
a
sea anchor or para-anchor; lying ahull; and, heaving to under reduced
sail."


Three ways:

It says there
"are three generally accepted ways to HEAVE TO in a sailboat"

and lists three ways

1) lying to a sea anchor or para-anchor
2) lying ahull
3) heaving to under reduced sail

Thus, heaving-to is under reduced sail and has nothing to do with a sea
anchor.

We know what we mean by heaving to because we are sailors. But that's
not what that passage actually SAYS.

He may have used the term heave-to (incorrectly) in the intro paragraph,
but
lying to a sea anchor and heaving to (the technique) have nothing to do
with
each other.

Who is the HE you refer to as using the term incorrectly. You gave
this URL as an explanation. Why do that if you think that what is
written is incorrect?

I think the person who wrote the explanation is using 'heave to' in
the general sense of storm weather tactics.

Don't be so quick to criticize a non-sailor for actually reading what
is written instead of what you think was written. Because the point
is to explain what a sailboat would do in case of a storm differently
than what a power boat would do. The OP grasped quite quickly that
lying ahull would perhaps not be a wise idea, and why that would be
so. Why nitpick about what he is calling heaving to?

Note: It is necessary to practice heaving to just as anything else,
and while you might want to do it first in good weather, it might be a
good idea to try it sometime in heavy weather conditions. We do it
with the staysail and main or with the staysail and jib, and one of
the other people who has our type of boat says that one of those ways
is wrong. (I don't remember which he says is correct.) I'm pretty
sure that we don't use the main and jib, but I could be wrong about
that.

We also have a sea anchor, but have not practiced with it yet because
in the Chesapeake there's too much traffic for it to be needed. Plus
there's a lot of places to hide.

It's also a good idea to have the canvas reduced before you really
need to do it.

Type: define: heave to in google.

Actually, there's a fourth way to heave-to.... I always ask people to do
it
on the leward side. g


He is the author. Heaving to is not deploying a sea anchor nor lying ahull.
I'm not nitpicking. I disputed that lying ahull is the method of choice. I
wasn't "quick to criticize a non-sailor." I was quick to point out that
there is a difference between the three and eventually I pointed out that
the author was in error about calling all three heaving to.

Don't be so quick to pass judgement about what I wrote. I wrote it and
provided a link for his benefit.

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