Two meter troll wrote:
On Mar 16, 10:48 am, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Two meter troll" wrote in ooglegroups.com...

Lying ahull?
Lying ahull is a very old technique for weathering a storm with no sail up.
It's not used much any more, since it doesn't give you any control. A better
technique is heaving to, which leaves sail up and gives you some ability to
maneauver.

The basic technique for heaving to, is to tack from close hauled without
releasing the jib, then ease the main, and lash the tiller to leward or the
wheel to windward. This calms the boat down, and can be used to stop for
lunch, etc.

Here's a long explanation of the various techniques...

http://www.boats.com/news-reviews/ar....html?lid=1284

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"j" ganz

"heaving to" is a sea anchor and storm sail and "lying ahull" is
basicly adrift and depending on your boat running fair.

Thanks

No sea anchor required to heave to!

"Two meter troll" wrote in message
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On Mar 16, 10:48 am, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Two meter troll" wrote in
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Lying ahull?

Lying ahull is a very old technique for weathering a storm with no sail
up.
It's not used much any more, since it doesn't give you any control. A
better
technique is heaving to, which leaves sail up and gives you some ability
to
maneauver.

The basic technique for heaving to, is to tack from close hauled without
releasing the jib, then ease the main, and lash the tiller to leward or
the
wheel to windward. This calms the boat down, and can be used to stop for
lunch, etc.

Here's a long explanation of the various techniques...

http://www.boats.com/news-reviews/ar....html?lid=1284

--
"j" ganz

"heaving to" is a sea anchor and storm sail and "lying ahull" is
basicly adrift and depending on your boat running fair.

Thanks



Nope... read it again. Heaving to is using your sails and rudder... nothing
to do with a sea anchor.

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Capt. JG wrote:
"Two meter troll" wrote in message
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On Mar 16, 10:48 am, "Capt. JG" wrote:

"Two meter troll" wrote in
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Lying ahull?

Lying ahull is a very old technique for weathering a storm with no sail
up.
It's not used much any more, since it doesn't give you any control. A
better
technique is heaving to, which leaves sail up and gives you some ability
to
maneauver.

The basic technique for heaving to, is to tack from close hauled without
releasing the jib, then ease the main, and lash the tiller to leward or
the
wheel to windward. This calms the boat down, and can be used to stop for
lunch, etc.

Here's a long explanation of the various techniques...

http://www.boats.com/news-reviews/ar....html?lid=1284

--
"j" ganz

"heaving to" is a sea anchor and storm sail and "lying ahull" is
basicly adrift and depending on your boat running fair.

Thanks



Nope... read it again. Heaving to is using your sails and rudder... nothing
to do with a sea anchor.

Nope, not according to the linked info. To quote:

"But, heaving to is most often done when the wind is really piping.
There are three generally accepted ways to heave to in a sail boat:
lying to a sea anchor or para-anchor; lying ahull; and, heaving to under
reduced sail."

Keith Hughes

....
the speed of a sail boat is not all that slow.. i might have sailed
big boats but i can tell you a crab boat aint fast. the Renigade did 8
knots and the Tempest did 11, the fastest was a streamer in the gulf
of mexico and it did 17.

My feeling is that the "average" cruising sail boat typically makes
good about 4 knots port to port on passages of more than three days.
Of course the variance is high but making good 8 knots port to port
will require a fast boat and hard work and 11 knots is very fast even
for racing boats. I'd guess that the passage times for your
"Renigade" would be equivalent to a well sailed, fast 40 foot cruising
cat or performance cruising mono of about 50 feet.

-- Tom.

"Keith Hughes" wrote in message
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Capt. JG wrote:
"Two meter troll" wrote in message
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On Mar 16, 10:48 am, "Capt. JG" wrote:

"Two meter troll" wrote in
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Lying ahull?

Lying ahull is a very old technique for weathering a storm with no sail
up.
It's not used much any more, since it doesn't give you any control. A
better
technique is heaving to, which leaves sail up and gives you some ability
to
maneauver.

The basic technique for heaving to, is to tack from close hauled without
releasing the jib, then ease the main, and lash the tiller to leward or
the
wheel to windward. This calms the boat down, and can be used to stop
for
lunch, etc.

Here's a long explanation of the various techniques...

http://www.boats.com/news-reviews/ar....html?lid=1284

--
"j" ganz

"heaving to" is a sea anchor and storm sail and "lying ahull" is
basicly adrift and depending on your boat running fair.

Thanks



Nope... read it again. Heaving to is using your sails and rudder...
nothing to do with a sea anchor.

Nope, not according to the linked info. To quote:

"But, heaving to is most often done when the wind is really piping. There
are three generally accepted ways to heave to in a sail boat: lying to a
sea anchor or para-anchor; lying ahull; and, heaving to under reduced
sail."

Keith Hughes


Huh?

Three ways:

1) lying to a sea anchor or para-anchor
2) lying ahull
3) heaving to under reduced sail

Thus, heaving-to is under reduced sail and has nothing to do with a sea
anchor.

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...
the speed of a sail boat is not all that slow.. i might have sailed
big boats but i can tell you a crab boat aint fast. the Renigade did 8
knots and the Tempest did 11, the fastest was a streamer in the gulf
of mexico and it did 17.

My feeling is that the "average" cruising sail boat typically makes
good about 4 knots port to port on passages of more than three days.
Of course the variance is high but making good 8 knots port to port
will require a fast boat and hard work and 11 knots is very fast even
for racing boats. I'd guess that the passage times for your
"Renigade" would be equivalent to a well sailed, fast 40 foot cruising
cat or performance cruising mono of about 50 feet.

-- Tom.




We've always calculated 5 kts. Seems to be pretty accurate.

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"Capt. JG" wrote:

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the speed of a sail boat is not all that slow.. i might have sailed
big boats but i can tell you a crab boat aint fast. the Renigade did 8
knots and the Tempest did 11, the fastest was a streamer in the gulf
of mexico and it did 17.

My feeling is that the "average" cruising sail boat typically makes
good about 4 knots port to port on passages of more than three days.
Of course the variance is high but making good 8 knots port to port
will require a fast boat and hard work and 11 knots is very fast even
for racing boats. I'd guess that the passage times for your
"Renigade" would be equivalent to a well sailed, fast 40 foot cruising
cat or performance cruising mono of about 50 feet.

-- Tom.

We've always calculated 5 kts. Seems to be pretty accurate.

5 knots is about what we motor at

If a power boat person is used to a 20 foot catamaran with twin 350
engines (like one of my SILs), then both 8 knots and 5 knots is going
to seem really really slow. But if the power boat person is more of a
trawler-type person who is used to 8 knots, then 5 knots might not
seem to be so much slower. On paper at least.

The difference is the length of the days required to get from point A
to point B. If you are used to thinking 8 knots, then it will take
you 6 hours to do 48 nm. At 5 knots it will take more than 9 hours.
In the winter and/or at high latitudes it may make a big difference in
planning your landfalls.

"Capt. JG" wrote:

"Keith Hughes" wrote in message
...

Capt. JG wrote:
"Two meter troll" wrote in message
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On Mar 16, 10:48 am, "Capt. JG" wrote:

"Two meter troll" wrote in
messagenews:1174066150.092432.101980@e65g2000 hsc.googlegroups.com...

Lying ahull?

Lying ahull is a very old technique for weathering a storm with no sail up.
It's not used much any more, since it doesn't give you any control. A better
technique is heaving to, which leaves sail up and gives you some ability
to maneauver.

I agree that lying ahull is not a good thing to do. However heaving
to is not possible in all types of sailboats, or at least is more
difficult to do.

The basic technique for heaving to, is to tack from close hauled without
releasing the jib, then ease the main, and lash the tiller to leward or the
wheel to windward. This calms the boat down, and can be used to stop for
lunch, etc.

Here's a long explanation of the various techniques...

http://www.boats.com/news-reviews/ar....html?lid=1284

--
"j" ganz

"heaving to" is a sea anchor and storm sail and "lying ahull" is
basicly adrift and depending on your boat running fair.


That's basically correct given that URL. Heaving to is doing
something to make the boat keep still in good orientation to the
waves. There are other techniques to do that and a sea anchor is one
of them.

Nope... read it again. Heaving to is using your sails and rudder...
nothing to do with a sea anchor.

Nope, not according to the linked info. To quote:

"But, heaving to is most often done when the wind is really piping. There
are three generally accepted ways to heave to in a sail boat: lying to a
sea anchor or para-anchor; lying ahull; and, heaving to under reduced
sail."

Keith Hughes

Huh?

Three ways:

It says there
"are three generally accepted ways to HEAVE TO in a sailboat"

and lists three ways

1) lying to a sea anchor or para-anchor
2) lying ahull
3) heaving to under reduced sail

Thus, heaving-to is under reduced sail and has nothing to do with a sea
anchor.

We know what we mean by heaving to because we are sailors. But that's
not what that passage actually SAYS.

"Rosalie B." wrote in message
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"Capt. JG" wrote:

"Keith Hughes" wrote in message
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Capt. JG wrote:
"Two meter troll" wrote in message
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On Mar 16, 10:48 am, "Capt. JG" wrote:

"Two meter troll" wrote in
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Lying ahull?

Lying ahull is a very old technique for weathering a storm with no
sail up.
It's not used much any more, since it doesn't give you any
control. A better
technique is heaving to, which leaves sail up and gives you some
ability
to maneauver.

I agree that lying ahull is not a good thing to do. However heaving
to is not possible in all types of sailboats, or at least is more
difficult to do.

The basic technique for heaving to, is to tack from close hauled
without
releasing the jib, then ease the main, and lash the tiller to
leward or the
wheel to windward. This calms the boat down, and can be used to
stop for
lunch, etc.

Here's a long explanation of the various techniques...

http://www.boats.com/news-reviews/ar....html?lid=1284

--
"j" ganz

"heaving to" is a sea anchor and storm sail and "lying ahull" is
basicly adrift and depending on your boat running fair.


That's basically correct given that URL. Heaving to is doing
something to make the boat keep still in good orientation to the
waves. There are other techniques to do that and a sea anchor is one
of them.

Nope... read it again. Heaving to is using your sails and rudder...
nothing to do with a sea anchor.

Nope, not according to the linked info. To quote:

"But, heaving to is most often done when the wind is really piping.
There
are three generally accepted ways to heave to in a sail boat: lying
to a
sea anchor or para-anchor; lying ahull; and, heaving to under
reduced
sail."

Keith Hughes

Huh?

Three ways:

It says there
"are three generally accepted ways to HEAVE TO in a sailboat"

and lists three ways

1) lying to a sea anchor or para-anchor
2) lying ahull
3) heaving to under reduced sail

Thus, heaving-to is under reduced sail and has nothing to do with a
sea
anchor.

We know what we mean by heaving to because we are sailors. But that's
not what that passage actually SAYS.

Very good information. I thought heaving-to was only done using a backed
jib and a main (usually reefed). I just learned something new. Now I
know better than to believe Capt. JG. Looks like he hasn't kept up with
the new terminology.

I'm Ted Bell!

"Rosalie B." wrote in message
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"Capt. JG" wrote:

"Keith Hughes" wrote in message
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Capt. JG wrote:
"Two meter troll" wrote in message
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On Mar 16, 10:48 am, "Capt. JG" wrote:

"Two meter troll" wrote in
messagenews:1174066150.092432.101980@e65g200 0hsc.googlegroups.com...

Lying ahull?

Lying ahull is a very old technique for weathering a storm with no
sail up.
It's not used much any more, since it doesn't give you any control. A
better
technique is heaving to, which leaves sail up and gives you some
ability
to maneauver.

I agree that lying ahull is not a good thing to do. However heaving
to is not possible in all types of sailboats, or at least is more
difficult to do.

The basic technique for heaving to, is to tack from close hauled
without
releasing the jib, then ease the main, and lash the tiller to leward
or the
wheel to windward. This calms the boat down, and can be used to stop
for
lunch, etc.

Here's a long explanation of the various techniques...

http://www.boats.com/news-reviews/ar....html?lid=1284

--
"j" ganz

"heaving to" is a sea anchor and storm sail and "lying ahull" is
basicly adrift and depending on your boat running fair.


That's basically correct given that URL. Heaving to is doing
something to make the boat keep still in good orientation to the
waves. There are other techniques to do that and a sea anchor is one
of them.

Nope... read it again. Heaving to is using your sails and rudder...
nothing to do with a sea anchor.

Nope, not according to the linked info. To quote:

"But, heaving to is most often done when the wind is really piping.
There
are three generally accepted ways to heave to in a sail boat: lying to a
sea anchor or para-anchor; lying ahull; and, heaving to under reduced
sail."

Keith Hughes

Huh?

Three ways:

It says there
"are three generally accepted ways to HEAVE TO in a sailboat"

and lists three ways

1) lying to a sea anchor or para-anchor
2) lying ahull
3) heaving to under reduced sail

Thus, heaving-to is under reduced sail and has nothing to do with a sea
anchor.

We know what we mean by heaving to because we are sailors. But that's
not what that passage actually SAYS.


He may have used the term heave-to (incorrectly) in the intro paragraph, but
lying to a sea anchor and heaving to (the technique) have nothing to do with
each other.

Type: define: heave to in google.

Actually, there's a fourth way to heave-to.... I always ask people to do it
on the leward side. g


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