KLC .. there are still lots of wooden boats, both sail and power, up where I
keep my boat.

Years ago, I almost bought a wooden sloop. Built by Bud McIntosh up near
Dover, NH as I recall.

I backed off after the survey. Had rot in the transom.

Well, last spring ................ yup. There she was "The Toddy ll".

And she was still beautiful. She needed some TLC but there is just
something about a wood boat.

Strip plank boats are rather easy to build. Hard to repair though. With
the new epoxy's, I'd build a strip plank boat in a heart beat.

I don't know much about the cold molded boats. My teacher at my Power
Squadron course said they are very sweet. He used to own a Hinkley. If he
thinks they are sweet ;;;;;;;;;;;; they are sweet.

I was told the other day that a couple of boat builders down east will build
the hull for a customer and they the owner gets to finish her.

Using strip plank and lots of epoxy .. bet one could get a very nice hull.

Bob has that fever .. wood boat fever. This can be a very dangerous
condition.

Bob ,, if you are reading ... I know of a wooden sloop built in the early
1950's that is for sale. You would not know it to look at her, that is for
sure.

There is another beauty down east which is owned by a minister that I've
seen. She is spectacular. And she is strip plank with lots of epoxy.

The minister loves her, he just can't keep up with her and the flock at the
same time.

If wood is what you want .. go for it.

Just don't tell yourself that we are exagerating about the work involved.

It is ................ hours .................... and hours
..................... and hours ................. of work to keep up a wood
boat.

And .. if it is done right ?

Worth every minute.



"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
et...
Bob,

If a boat is built of 12,000 pounds of wood and 1000 pounds of epoxy, what
would you call it?

Wooden Boat, says I. The epoxy cannot fully saturate the wood if it's more
than perhaps an 1/8 inch thick and quite porous to begin with (end-grain
balsa and the like excepted, but then how many boats are built
butcher-block style?).

It ain't steel, it ain't ferro, it ain't GRP, it ain't aluminum (or even
al-you-minnee-um). It's wood, sealed, laminated, and/or otherwise
incorporating epoxy and/or fiberglass into its composition.

Karin

"Bob" wrote in message
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No, it is not lap stake.

Im no expert but I think cold molding uses larger wood such as a plywood
layed across another piece of wood.

No, I think that is not correct. So do I get to call you ignorant or
stupid?

Seriously,, if you don't know the difference between a strip plank and
lap
stake constructed wooden boat ...

SInce you are so set at criticizing instead of understanding I am
going to assume you are simply an arogant ass. The correct term is
STRAKE and not stake as you use. I have a like for your enlightment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strake

You are also wrong about cold mold method as discribed by the G. Bros.

Now about your "strip planking." I under stand the process. It was
your vague use of the term and your other ignorant statments that lead
me to believe you simply had a novice understand of strip plank
construction methods. Yes, taking 2"x2" chunks of wood and fastening
to one another by side nailing is an old Recreational Small Home Build
method. Then with recent improvments, ie epoxy saturation, it is
possible to incapsulate the whole thing............. That is where I
stop and say that is not a wood boat. It is a boat made of, not GRP,
rather Wood Reinforced Epoxy. Saturating wood such as cedar and red
wood is not in my opinion a wood boat. It sure do look pretty as a 17'
canoa on top of your Subaru Outback though.

Hell you can use foam, cardboard, plywood, veners, C-Flex, and stucko
on chicken wire then slop epoxy over it all. I would not call that a
wood boat either.

But I think what ****ed me off more was your asumption that I was
ignorant simply when I was attempting to understand your use of the
phrase "strip planking"

Your not ignorant, just uninformed about wooden boats.

So excuse me for having a westcoast vocabulary and a desire to
understand your developing maritime language skills.
In other words............... Arg ! that aint no wood boat Dick.
GFY

"NE Sailboat" wrote in message
news:HuKHh.1566$pi.707@trndny09...
KLC .. there are still lots of wooden boats, both sail and power, up where
I keep my boat.

Years ago, I almost bought a wooden sloop. Built by Bud McIntosh up near
Dover, NH as I recall.

I backed off after the survey. Had rot in the transom.

Well, last spring ................ yup. There she was "The Toddy ll".

And she was still beautiful. She needed some TLC but there is just
something about a wood boat.

Strip plank boats are rather easy to build. Hard to repair though. With
the new epoxy's, I'd build a strip plank boat in a heart beat.

I don't know much about the cold molded boats. My teacher at my Power
Squadron course said they are very sweet. He used to own a Hinkley. If
he thinks they are sweet ;;;;;;;;;;;; they are sweet.

I was told the other day that a couple of boat builders down east will
build the hull for a customer and they the owner gets to finish her.

Using strip plank and lots of epoxy .. bet one could get a very nice hull.

Bob has that fever .. wood boat fever. This can be a very dangerous
condition.

Bob ,, if you are reading ... I know of a wooden sloop built in the early
1950's that is for sale. You would not know it to look at her, that is
for sure.

There is another beauty down east which is owned by a minister that I've
seen. She is spectacular. And she is strip plank with lots of epoxy.

The minister loves her, he just can't keep up with her and the flock at
the same time.

If wood is what you want .. go for it.

Just don't tell yourself that we are exagerating about the work involved.

It is ................ hours .................... and hours
.................... and hours ................. of work to keep up a wood
boat.

And .. if it is done right ?

Worth every minute.


Back in 93 or so when we were looking for our first boat, we found a wooden
schooner up in Alameda by the name of "Manu Re-re" ("flying bird).
Magnificent boat, I fell in love with her immediately. About 34 feet on deck
IIRC, plus bowsprit and boomkin for a LOA of around 40'. She was born in
1959, giving me an immediate affinity for her as we shared birth years. Two
deck houses, tiller, tops'l, gaff rig...she was a beauty. But she needed
refastening, my husband hated the tiller and refused to consider a wooden
boat, and so we passed her by for a CT-41 that ended up having such rot in
her deckhouse that we had to completely rebuild it.

In the end, we may well have been ahead to have bought Manu Re-re. I want a
do-over! lol

"KLC Lewis" wrote in
et:

my husband hated the tiller and refused to consider a wooden
boat,

Women love wooden boats because the HUSBAND does the
maintenance....continuously.

Anonymous

"Larry" wrote in message
...
"KLC Lewis" wrote in
et:

my husband hated the tiller and refused to consider a wooden
boat,

Women love wooden boats because the HUSBAND does the
maintenance....continuously.

Anonymous

Not in this family. lol

"NE Sailboat" wrote in news:HuKHh.1566$pi.707
@trndny09:

Bob has that fever .. wood boat fever. This can be a very dangerous
condition.



This condition IS treatable. Find someone with a wooden boat and offer him
Bob and Bob's sander, every weekend for the next month, to help him do what
he does all the time....sand and paint...sand and paint.

Bob'll soon come to his senses and start looking for a nice FIBERGLASS boat
to SAIL not SAND on weekends.

Wood nostalgia is wonderful during that first hour of sanding, but wanes
quickly as the sun tops the mast....

Larry
--
Can you hear the woodborers eating the hull as you lay in the v-berth?

On Mar 7, 11:30 pm, Larry wrote:
"NE Sailboat" wrote in news:HuKHh.1566$pi.707
@trndny09:

Bob has that fever .. wood boat fever. This can be a very dangerous
condition.

This condition IS treatable. Find someone with a wooden boat and offer him
Bob and Bob's sander, every weekend for the next month, to help him do what
he does all the time....sand and paint...sand and paint.

Bob'll soon come to his senses and start looking for a nice FIBERGLASS boat
to SAIL not SAND on weekends.

Wood nostalgia is wonderful during that first hour of sanding, but wanes
quickly as the sun tops the mast....



Dont get me wrong........... I wood never own a wood boat. U got 2 b
nuts to own one or very very rich.
I have a GRP, 1979ventage. I love it. Why? Cause it aint wood!


Larry
--
Can you hear the woodborers eating the hull as you lay in the v-berth?

Ah,ship worms...... gribbles, torredo worms (which are not worms at
all... actually a clam)

Whats not to love about red lead, white lead, Dolpinite, pine
tar................. Arg!

uh, just about everything............. every spring and every fall.

but please do not tell me a Pergo boat incapsulated in epoxy is a
"wood boat" It just aint so. Theyre pretty, ridgid, water proof,
light,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, and plastic.
Bob

"Bob" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Mar 7, 11:30 pm, Larry wrote:
"NE Sailboat" wrote in news:HuKHh.1566$pi.707
@trndny09:

Bob has that fever .. wood boat fever. This can be a very dangerous
condition.

This condition IS treatable. Find someone with a wooden boat and offer
him
Bob and Bob's sander, every weekend for the next month, to help him do
what
he does all the time....sand and paint...sand and paint.

Bob'll soon come to his senses and start looking for a nice FIBERGLASS
boat
to SAIL not SAND on weekends.

Wood nostalgia is wonderful during that first hour of sanding, but wanes
quickly as the sun tops the mast....



Dont get me wrong........... I wood never own a wood boat. U got 2 b
nuts to own one or very very rich.
I have a GRP, 1979ventage. I love it. Why? Cause it aint wood!


Larry
--
Can you hear the woodborers eating the hull as you lay in the v-berth?

Ah,ship worms...... gribbles, torredo worms (which are not worms at
all... actually a clam)

Whats not to love about red lead, white lead, Dolpinite, pine
tar................. Arg!

uh, just about everything............. every spring and every fall.

but please do not tell me a Pergo boat incapsulated in epoxy is a
"wood boat" It just aint so. Theyre pretty, ridgid, water proof,
light,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, and plastic.
Bob

What is a wood boat joined with Resorcinol and encapsulated in paint, tar
and varnish?

If you want to join "Master Mariners," you must have a traditional wooden
boat built using traditional materials and methods. Sort of the
"fundamentalists" of the wooden boat world. But this doesn't mean that a
*modern* wooden boat is not a *real* wooden boat, any more than saying that
a *real* wooden boat must be trunnel-fastened rather than screwed together.
An encapsulated wood boat is exactly that -- you cannot take the wood out of
the equation just because you object to it.

On the other hand, I would have no objection to calling such a boat a "Pergo
Boat," although the Pergo people might. Maybe not -- they produce a
magnificent product.

But this doesn't mean that a
*modern* wooden boat is not a *real* wooden boat, any more than saying that
a *real* wooden boat must be trunnel-fastened rather than screwed together.

Excellent point ! I guess the folks who stretched skins over wood
frames and burt hollow logs would say that 1928 cavel planked troller
was not a true wood boat.

On the other hand, I would have no objection to calling such a boat a "Pergo
Boat," although the Pergo people might. Maybe not -- they produce a
magnificent product.

Dont tell any one but I got a plank of that composit backyard decking.
you know the stuff made of sawdust and plastic. Ripped it down for
use under a sail track. Its great stuff, cheep, UV protected, tough,
stable, sorta looks like wood, and availible everywhere. Goes great on
my plastic boat! Now to get that last bit of wood of her. Next on my
list to deep 6 are thoes teak grab rails on top the house.
Wood........... I hate the stuff. Its a pain in the ass!

But in my heart, epoxy + wood are not wood boats.

Bob

"Bob" wrote in message
ups.com...

Dont tell any one but I got a plank of that composit backyard decking.
you know the stuff made of sawdust and plastic. Ripped it down for
use under a sail track. Its great stuff, cheep, UV protected, tough,
stable, sorta looks like wood, and availible everywhere. Goes great on
my plastic boat! Now to get that last bit of wood of her. Next on my
list to deep 6 are thoes teak grab rails on top the house.
Wood........... I hate the stuff. Its a pain in the ass!

But in my heart, epoxy + wood are not wood boats.

Bob


I plan to use that "PlasTeek" stuff to replace the wooden grabrails on
Essie. Not because I have a problem with keeping up with varnish on them
(relatively minor compared with the rest of my wood trim), but because I
don't want to put varnish on them -- too slippery for a hand-hold. A couple
of years ago I stripped them down to bare wood and treated them with
Penetrol, but I'd need to recoat them once a month or so in active sailing
and that's too much work for me. Don't know that I'd use it extensively, but
I do use Marine Grade HDPE all over the boat. It's great stuff, and nothing
will stick to it.

KLC Lewis wrote:

I plan to use that "PlasTeek" stuff to replace the wooden grabrails on
Essie. Not because I have a problem with keeping up with varnish on them
(relatively minor compared with the rest of my wood trim), but because I
don't want to put varnish on them -- too slippery for a hand-hold. A couple
of years ago I stripped them down to bare wood and treated them with
Penetrol, but I'd need to recoat them once a month or so in active sailing
and that's too much work for me. Don't know that I'd use it extensively, but
I do use Marine Grade HDPE all over the boat. It's great stuff, and nothing
will stick to it.

No "PlasTeek" or real teak for me. Give me 316
Stainless steel handrails. Then all I've got to
do is keep them bedded so they don't leak ;-)

Don W.