KLC Lewis wrote:
"Paul Cassel" wrote in message
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Harbin Osteen wrote:
I'm a big fan of Cat-Ketch type of sail rigs, but in a artical I read
about the Mari-Cha IV, it is a type of sloop, but both mast are
the same. What is this type of rig called?

Mari-Cha IV:
http://www.mari-cha4.com/pub/frameset.php

Fits into no defined category. If I had to fit it, I'd call it a schooner.
I sure won't defend that label, though.

I'd say either schooner or ketch, since when both masts are the same height
it's hard to find any definitive definition, as Paul says. Considering that
it carries modern sails with a modern hull form, "Ketch" probably fits
better than "Schooner."


I once got a bit of a lecture from some old salt who said that a
schooner's masts can be the same height. We can also argue that a
ketch's mizzen is always shorter than the main.

http://www.answers.com/topic/schooner

This definition backs up that old salt.

-paul

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I would say that it is simply a schooner. A schooner has 2 or more
masts and the aft mast(s) is (are shorter or the same size as the
forrward mast. Since it appears to have only one headsail, it would
not be cutter rigged.

Peter
s/v Now or Never!


Peter, actually you described a ketch. A schooner is t'other way 'round.
;-)

That's right. the traditional schooners around here have a shorter
'foremast' and a taller 'main mast'.
see.. http://museum.gov.ns.ca/bluenose/sail-plan.html

Yes, I did mean schooner, but I have never seen one with equal sized mast, and
was wondering if there was a proper name for this particular setup.

Harbin

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On Feb 18, 5:59 am, "Harbin Osteen" wrote:
...t in a artical I read
about the Mari-Cha IV, it is a type of sloop, but both mast are
the same. What is this type of rig called?
...

Greg Elliot who designed it called it a schooner in a "Seahorse"
article. It certainly fits the classic definition of a schooner.
Where did you read that it was a sloop? Whatever else it may be, it
is no sloop! However, there may be some confusion because they keep
separate crews for each mast and work them independently. They may
have said that running the boat was like running two sloops rather
than one schooner... But, Mari-Cha IV is a schooner.

-- Tom.

On Feb 18, 5:12 pm, "KLC Lewis" wrote:
"Peter" wrote in message

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I would say that it is simply a schooner. A schooner has 2 or more
masts and the aft mast(s) is (are shorter or the same size as the
forrward mast. Since it appears to have only one headsail, it would
not be cutter rigged.

Peter
s/v Now or Never!

Peter, actually you described a ketch. A schooner is t'other way 'round. ;-)

Right! Was I looking in a mirror?!

On Feb 18, 5:30 pm, Paul Cassel
wrote:
KLC Lewis wrote:
"Paul Cassel" wrote in message
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Harbin Osteen wrote:
I'm a big fan of Cat-Ketch type of sail rigs, but in a artical I read
about the Mari-Cha IV, it is a type of sloop, but both mast are
the same. What is this type of rig called?

Mari-Cha IV:
http://www.mari-cha4.com/pub/frameset.php

Fits into no defined category. If I had to fit it, I'd call it a schooner.
I sure won't defend that label, though.

I'd say either schooner or ketch, since when both masts are the same height
it's hard to find any definitive definition, as Paul says. Considering that
it carries modern sails with a modern hull form, "Ketch" probably fits
better than "Schooner."

I once got a bit of a lecture from some old salt who said that a
schooner's masts can be the same height. We can also argue that a
ketch's mizzen is always shorter than the main.

http://www.answers.com/topic/schooner

This definition backs up that old salt.

-paul- Hide quoted text -

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Also right

On Feb 18, 7:59 am, "Harbin Osteen" wrote:
I'm a big fan of Cat-Ketch type of sail rigs, but in a artical I read
about the Mari-Cha IV, it is a type of sloop, but both mast are
the same. What is this type of rig called?


Hermaphrodite.

While this term originaly describe a diffrent rig type, I belive the
reason for using this trem may fit here.

Bob

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On Feb 18, 7:59 am, "Harbin Osteen" wrote:
I'm a big fan of Cat-Ketch type of sail rigs, but in a artical I read
about the Mari-Cha IV, it is a type of sloop, but both mast are
the same. What is this type of rig called?


Hermaphrodite.

While this term originaly describe a diffrent rig type, I belive the
reason for using this trem may fit here.

Bob


Oh, that's an ugly word for any boat. How about "Brigantine"?

On Feb 19, 10:18 am, "KLC Lewis" wrote:
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On Feb 18, 7:59 am, "Harbin Osteen" wrote:
I'm a big fan of Cat-Ketch type of sail rigs, but in a artical I read
about the Mari-Cha IV, it is a type of sloop, but both mast are
the same. What is this type of rig called?

Hermaphrodite.

While this term originaly describe a diffrent rig type, I belive the
reason for using this trem may fit here.

Bob

Oh, that's an ugly word for any boat. How about "Brigantine"?


Okay, Agreed. Brigantine does sorta ryme with Valentine. Guess I
should not be so anti inovation. Cat schooner does have a ring to it
too.

On Feb 18, 9:42 pm, "Harbin Osteen" wrote:
Yes, I did mean schooner, but I have never seen one with equal sized mast, and
was wondering if there was a proper name for this particular setup.

Yes, schooner. Schooner rigs cover a lot of ground. For instance,
Herreshoff's Marco Polo, was a very popular schooner design in the
post war period and you may still see a few around. They were
designed with three masts with the center mast taller than the fore
and aft mast. There are a bewildering array of different schooner
rigs and they may be like Justice Stewart's definition of pornography:
"you know them when you see them." Schooners must have at least two
masts and must have fore and aft sails rigged on each mast, other than
that, well...

-- Tom.

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On Feb 18, 9:42 pm, "Harbin Osteen" wrote:
Yes, I did mean schooner, but I have never seen one with equal sized
mast, and
was wondering if there was a proper name for this particular setup.

Yes, schooner. Schooner rigs cover a lot of ground. For instance,
Herreshoff's Marco Polo, was a very popular schooner design in the
post war period and you may still see a few around. They were
designed with three masts with the center mast taller than the fore
and aft mast. There are a bewildering array of different schooner
rigs and they may be like Justice Stewart's definition of pornography:
"you know them when you see them." Schooners must have at least two
masts and must have fore and aft sails rigged on each mast, other than
that, well...

-- Tom.


Oh, sure -- but can this boat carry a Fisherman and a Gollywobbler? (ha!
Gotta love those schooner sail names!)