"Roger Long" wrote in
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"Geoff Schultz" wrote

This is one of those things that's easier said than done. If you're
in a benign situation, then yes, it is easy. If you've got 20+ kts
of wind and other boats anchored too close, then it would be a huge
challenge.

There's your problem. Why are you anchoring right there?

Chances a pretty good that the anchor will take if there are enough
boats there to cause crowding. Most people don't know how to anchor
and they wouldn't be there if the bottom was poor. I'm trying to
remember though the name of the harbor that has a notorious big hard
flat ledge right in the middle. People come in, see that nice open
spot left, and drag right down into the other boats. This is one of
the things I appreciate about having a boat small enough that the
ground tackle can be deployed by hand. I feel for that first contact
of the anchor with the bottom. If it's rock, you can feel the "tink"
right up the line and start working on Plan B right away. You can even
feel the flukes going through thick grass or weed if you pay
attention.

Statments like this make me think that you haven't anchored all that
much. I spend about 1/2 of my year at anchor in various locations
throughout the Caribbean. If you have any doubts about my statement,
please check out my Google Earth file showing all of the anchorages that
I've been in: http://www.geoffschultz.org/GoogleEa...gleEarth.shtml

I've been anchored for days in a location to suddenly have the boat
start dragging (this has only happened twice, but it does happen.) I
can't tell you how many times we've had to re-anchor because the anchor
just won't grab. I almost always dive the anchor to check to make sure
that it's set. While I'm doing that I have Sue back down on it to make
sure that it doesn't pull out. You can't do that single handed. I'm a
firm believer that if I can pull the anchor out with the motor, then a
good blow can do it too. We'll back down to 2500 RPM with a MaxProp and
2800 is our normal cruising RPM.

As to why someone anchors in a given location: Well, maybe there isn't
a lot of choice; you could have bad weather moving in; it's getting
dark; other boats are anchored where you normally anchor; the bottom
changed since you were there last; weather has forced you and others
into a sub-optimal location; you name it.

One problem that I have is that I publish extensive logs as well the
Google Earth KMZ file, and on many occasions I've found people anchored
at the exact location that were in these files. Now I'm making my
anchorage locations less specific...


There's a good passage somewhere in the Patrick O'brian books about
the mate standing for twelve hours with his hand on the anchor cable
while the ship is anchored in a deep and dangerous spot.

Single handed operation is inherently more risky and that's
especially true
when anchoring around other boats where mistakes can cause harm to
others.


Yes, but it can be done as safely as most multi handed operation is
usually performed.

BTW having someone motoring ahead as an anchor is hauled in is very
risky if it is being handled by hand. Even if you have a windlass,
it's hard on the topside paint.

If the wind has your anchor line is tight, how do you pull it up? I
motor forward so that we're not using the windlass to pull the boat. If
you're single handed, how do you do this? I don't over the chain (well,
I try not to) and I've never scratched the paint by doing so.

-- Geoff

The obvoius answer is a radio remote control, like for model
airplanes, with tiller, gearshift and throttle controls. A wired
remote at the prow might do as well.

Carrying the anchor aft and out side the rig to be dropped from the
cockpit has worked in the past, and dragging a long anchor line out of
the anchorage has also been done, pausing in deeper water to
consolidate the situation.

Different situations demand different approaches.

Terry K

Geoff Schultz" geoff"at wrote:

Statments like this make me think that you haven't anchored all that
much.

Well, obviously not as much as someone like yourself but enought to know how
to do it. I'll admit though that I've neve anchored in your part of the
world and things may be different. Putting on the wet suit, the weights,
and diving down to set the anchor isn't very common up here in 60 degree
water.

It was sort of a joke about the tight anchorage. Sometimes you just don't
have a choice but I've watched lots of people try to squeeze into someone
else's swinging room just to save themselves another 50 yards of dinghy
trip.

I'm just trying to make the point (and not actually directed at you who
clearly knows everything that could ever be necessary to know about the
subjet) that avoiding difficulties when you can, planning ahead, and
recognizing that technique is as important as the shape of the anchor will
make it a lot easier and less intimidating for those who are new to it.
Even in Maine where standards are high, about 80% if the boats will just let
it go and then head aft for cocktails.

--
Roger Long

"Roger Long" wrote in
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Geoff Schultz" geoff"at wrote:

I'm just trying to make the point (and not actually directed at you
who clearly knows everything that could ever be necessary to know
about the subjet) that avoiding difficulties when you can, planning
ahead, and recognizing that technique is as important as the shape of
the anchor will make it a lot easier and less intimidating for those
who are new to it. Even in Maine where standards are high, about 80%
if the boats will just let it go and then head aft for cocktails.


I've never implied that I know everything about anchoring. I have dropped
the hook in lots of places with widely varying holding. I just get
concerned with comments that make single-handed anchoring sound easy. As I
said before, it's typically easy in benign situations, but anchoring can be
challenging even when things *should* be going well. I really don't care
if you put your boat on a reef, but I really care if you can't control the
situation and you drag into me or pull up my anchor!

Some people believe everything they read in these forums and I'm just
trying to provide an opposing view. I'm not trying to attack you, so
please accept my appologies if it appears that way.

This year I'm swapping my 45 lb CQR out for a 25 Kg Rocna because I'm
worried about the strong tidal currents in the Bahamas. My experience has
been that CQRs don't reset themselves very well in certain bottoms (such as
sea grass) and based upon conversations that I've had with people who have
Rocnas, the Rocnas do a much better job. I want to keep up my record of
only having dragged a handful of times and sleeping soundly at night is
important to me!

-- Geoff

"Geoff Schultz" wrote in message
...
I've never implied that I know everything about anchoring. I have dropped
the hook in lots of places with widely varying holding. I just get
concerned with comments that make single-handed anchoring sound easy. As
I
said before, it's typically easy in benign situations, but anchoring can
be
challenging even when things *should* be going well. I really don't care
if you put your boat on a reef, but I really care if you can't control the
situation and you drag into me or pull up my anchor!

Some people believe everything they read in these forums and I'm just
trying to provide an opposing view. I'm not trying to attack you, so
please accept my appologies if it appears that way.

This year I'm swapping my 45 lb CQR out for a 25 Kg Rocna because I'm
worried about the strong tidal currents in the Bahamas. My experience has
been that CQRs don't reset themselves very well in certain bottoms (such
as
sea grass) and based upon conversations that I've had with people who have
Rocnas, the Rocnas do a much better job. I want to keep up my record of
only having dragged a handful of times and sleeping soundly at night is
important to me!

-- Geoff

Geoff

Thanks for that recommendation. I just replaced my Bruce with a 15kg Rocna.
:-)

I'll probably keep the Bruce in the lazarette, in case I ever need a fourth
anchor, but it just lost out as my "go-to" anchor. It was already in danger
of losing out to my Delta, but now it's official.

At the bottom .. bottom posting ...
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"Roger Long" wrote in message
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Geoff Schultz" geoff"at wrote:

Statments like this make me think that you haven't anchored all that
much.

Well, obviously not as much as someone like yourself but enought to know
how to do it. I'll admit though that I've neve anchored in your part of
the world and things may be different. Putting on the wet suit, the
weights, and diving down to set the anchor isn't very common up here in 60
degree water.

It was sort of a joke about the tight anchorage. Sometimes you just don't
have a choice but I've watched lots of people try to squeeze into someone
else's swinging room just to save themselves another 50 yards of dinghy
trip.

I'm just trying to make the point (and not actually directed at you who
clearly knows everything that could ever be necessary to know about the
subjet) that avoiding difficulties when you can, planning ahead, and
recognizing that technique is as important as the shape of the anchor will
make it a lot easier and less intimidating for those who are new to it.
Even in Maine where standards are high, about 80% if the boats will just
let it go and then head aft for cocktails.

--
Roger Long
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Roger ,, I anchored all last summer. Not because I wanted to; had no home.
When you are a homeless sailor, anchoring becomes the same as picking up the
mooring.

Since I sail alone .. I would plan ahead. No scary anchorages for me. I
only want to drop the hook into quick sand. Or mud.

The picking up .. now that is the hard part. I have no anchor windless, so
I go forward and start pulling, and pulling and pulling.

The nervous part is when the anchor lets go,, you can feel it in the hands.
That is when I put it in high anchor gear. Get er done.

So far I have been lucky.

"Roger Long" wrote in news:45d88955$0$5792
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60 degree
water.


Which day in August does it get that warm??

Larry
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On Sun, 18 Feb 2007 09:53:38 -0600, Geoff Schultz
wrote:

I'm a
firm believer that if I can pull the anchor out with the motor, then a
good blow can do it too.

Absolutely right, and sooner or later it will happen.

In article ,
Wayne.B wrote:

On Sun, 18 Feb 2007 09:53:38 -0600, Geoff Schultz
wrote:

I'm a
firm believer that if I can pull the anchor out with the motor, then a
good blow can do it too.

Absolutely right, and sooner or later it will happen.

Wayne, I hate to betray my ignorance, but I thought anchors were
designed to work so they held due to design and angle of pull and were
simultaneously designed to be relatively easy to retrieve by pulling
them straight up. If such is the case, shouldn't setting an anchor with
an engine be icing on the cake even in a blow (assuming the anchor is
suited to the bottom and weight/design of the boat, the chain is
sufficient to keep the angle correct, the scope is sufficient to
maintain the correct angle, the rode is strong enough not to give, and
the shackles designed for the load)?

harlan

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To respond, obviously drop the "nospan"?

On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 21:22:27 -0500, Harlan Lachman
wrote:

I'm a
firm believer that if I can pull the anchor out with the motor, then a
good blow can do it too.

Absolutely right, and sooner or later it will happen.

Wayne, I hate to betray my ignorance, but I thought anchors were
designed to work so they held due to design and angle of pull and were
simultaneously designed to be relatively easy to retrieve by pulling
them straight up. If such is the case, shouldn't setting an anchor with
an engine be icing on the cake even in a blow (assuming the anchor is
suited to the bottom and weight/design of the boat, the chain is
sufficient to keep the angle correct, the scope is sufficient to
maintain the correct angle, the rode is strong enough not to give, and
the shackles designed for the load)?

Harlan, I'm not sure of your experience level so I'll give you a
straight answer. The trick is to ensure that the anchor is set
properly, i.e., firmly dug in. Having the right anchor, rode and
scope is a good start - but if the anchor is not set properly all is
for naught. The whole reason for backing down under power is to
ensure that it will hold under load.

There are many reasons for an anchor not setting - difficult bottom
conditions, wrong anchor type for bottom, anchor landing in a fouled
position for some reason, etc, etc. Unless you test the anchor by
putting a load on it, you really don't know for sure if you are OK or
not.