Here's an old post I saved:
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To add a little more confusion to the marine water pollution
arguments, the
journal SCIENCE (29 Mar. 2002) reported on a study which tracked the
biological sources of fecal bacterial in Virginia watersheds. Only 15%
of E.
coli bacteria had a human origin (i.e. septic runoff and boat
discharge). The
remainder came from other animal hosts, the largest contributor being
waterfowl with 32.5% of the total. Similar studies are being carried
out in
California, Washington, and Oregon.

Whats next? Diapers for geese?
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Besides, it's not illegal to pee or crap over the side, it's only
illegal to discharge it after it's been contained. Therefore, get one
of these and be legal:
http://www.bumperdumper.com/bumper2.htm
Just get rid of the plastic bag and let 'er fly!

On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 16:50:31 -0500, Larry wrote:

You are ALREADY doing the right thing! The regulations about holding
tanks and Y valves is for MOUNTED systems....permanently mounted heads
plumbed into the boat. The regs do NOT cover a Portapotti that is NOT
mounted into the boat in a permanent manner, a "portable device", whether
that's a rusty old bucket, a covered plastic bucket from Dunkin' Donuts
(works great, $1), or a "pretty" Portapottie/Sanipottie. If you have a
stern-mounted 1-holer hangin out over the ocean, that's not covered,
either....like old sailing ships had...(c;

Actually they do cover Portapotties and buckets. They are called
"devices". Even the stern mounted 1-holer is a "device". However,
peeing over the side or hanging one's fanny over the side is allowed
under the regs. Might be wiser to immerse the involved body parts in
the water in a crowded marina for obvious reasons. You just can't use
any "device".

Rick

Larry wrote:
The regulations about holding
tanks and Y valves is for MOUNTED systems....permanently mounted heads
plumbed into the boat. The regs do NOT cover a Portapotti that is NOT
mounted into the boat in a permanent manner, a "portable device", whether
that's a rusty old bucket, a covered plastic bucket from Dunkin' Donuts
(works great, $1), or a "pretty" Portapottie/Sanipottie. If you have a
stern-mounted 1-holer hangin out over the ocean, that's not covered,
either....like old sailing ships had...(c;

Sorry, Larry, but the regs DO cover discharge of sewage from any device,
installed or not.

Sewage is defined in the CFR as "human body wastes and the wastes from
toilets and other receptacles intended to receive or retain body waste."

Discharge is defined in the CFR as "includes, but is not limited to, any
spilling, leaking, pouring, pumping, emitting, emptying, or dumping."

Note that while "marine sanitation device" is defined as "any equipment
for installation on board a vessel which is designed to receive, retain,
treat, or discharge sewage, and any process to treat such sewage," there
is no mention of marine sanitation devices in the definition of
"discharge."

So although the CFR does require that any vessel that has an installed
toilet also be equipped with either a holding tank or a CG certified
treatment device, the CFR also makes it illegal to discharge raw sewage
from ANY container--portpotty, bucket, or even a coffee cup, whether
it's installed or not--inside the "3 mile limit." And what isn't covered
in MARINE sanition laws is covered by the laws pertaining to sewage from
all sources including those on land.

However, it is NOT illegal to pee into the water from the lee rail or
hang your butt off the stern...it's only illegal to put waste into any
container and empty the container into the water.

I didn't write the law, I'm just the messenger.

--
Peggie
----------
Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://shop.sailboatowners.com/books...ku=90&cat=1304

Peggie,

I would suggest that if there is no mention of 'devices' in the
definition of "Discharge", the the term "emitting" could easily be
construed to include direct human discharge whether there is an interim
device used or not. The definition is literally to "send forth" either
matter or energy.

Keith Hughes

Peggie Hall wrote:
Larry wrote:

The regulations about holding tanks and Y valves is for MOUNTED
systems....permanently mounted heads plumbed into the boat. The regs
do NOT cover a Portapotti that is NOT mounted into the boat in a
permanent manner, a "portable device", whether that's a rusty old
bucket, a covered plastic bucket from Dunkin' Donuts (works great,
$1), or a "pretty" Portapottie/Sanipottie. If you have a
stern-mounted 1-holer hangin out over the ocean, that's not covered,
either....like old sailing ships had...(c;


Sorry, Larry, but the regs DO cover discharge of sewage from any device,
installed or not.

Sewage is defined in the CFR as "human body wastes and the wastes from
toilets and other receptacles intended to receive or retain body waste."

Discharge is defined in the CFR as "includes, but is not limited to, any
spilling, leaking, pouring, pumping, emitting, emptying, or dumping."

Note that while "marine sanitation device" is defined as "any equipment
for installation on board a vessel which is designed to receive, retain,
treat, or discharge sewage, and any process to treat such sewage," there
is no mention of marine sanitation devices in the definition of
"discharge."

So although the CFR does require that any vessel that has an installed
toilet also be equipped with either a holding tank or a CG certified
treatment device, the CFR also makes it illegal to discharge raw sewage
from ANY container--portpotty, bucket, or even a coffee cup, whether
it's installed or not--inside the "3 mile limit." And what isn't covered
in MARINE sanition laws is covered by the laws pertaining to sewage from
all sources including those on land.

However, it is NOT illegal to pee into the water from the lee rail or
hang your butt off the stern...it's only illegal to put waste into any
container and empty the container into the water.

I didn't write the law, I'm just the messenger.

Keith Hughes wrote:
Peggie,

I would suggest that if there is no mention of 'devices' in the
definition of "Discharge", the the term "emitting" could easily be
construed to include direct human discharge whether there is an interim
device used or not. The definition is literally to "send forth" either
matter or energy.

Theoretically you're correct. However, in actual practice the "emitting"
of waste directly from a body into the water is permitted.

Peggie


Peggie Hall wrote:
Larry wrote:

The regulations about holding tanks and Y valves is for MOUNTED
systems....permanently mounted heads plumbed into the boat. The regs
do NOT cover a Portapotti that is NOT mounted into the boat in a
permanent manner, a "portable device", whether that's a rusty old
bucket, a covered plastic bucket from Dunkin' Donuts (works great,
$1), or a "pretty" Portapottie/Sanipottie. If you have a
stern-mounted 1-holer hangin out over the ocean, that's not covered,
either....like old sailing ships had...(c;


Sorry, Larry, but the regs DO cover discharge of sewage from any
device, installed or not.

Sewage is defined in the CFR as "human body wastes and the wastes from
toilets and other receptacles intended to receive or retain body waste."

Discharge is defined in the CFR as "includes, but is not limited to,
any spilling, leaking, pouring, pumping, emitting, emptying, or dumping."

Note that while "marine sanitation device" is defined as "any
equipment for installation on board a vessel which is designed to
receive, retain, treat, or discharge sewage, and any process to treat
such sewage," there is no mention of marine sanitation devices in the
definition of "discharge."

So although the CFR does require that any vessel that has an installed
toilet also be equipped with either a holding tank or a CG certified
treatment device, the CFR also makes it illegal to discharge raw
sewage from ANY container--portpotty, bucket, or even a coffee cup,
whether it's installed or not--inside the "3 mile limit." And what
isn't covered in MARINE sanition laws is covered by the laws
pertaining to sewage from all sources including those on land.

However, it is NOT illegal to pee into the water from the lee rail or
hang your butt off the stern...it's only illegal to put waste into any
container and empty the container into the water.

I didn't write the law, I'm just the messenger.




--
Peggie
----------
Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://shop.sailboatowners.com/books...ku=90&cat=1304

Interesting. Seems like that would still allow for a lot of "local
discretion" however.

Keith Hughes

Peggie Hall wrote:

Keith Hughes wrote:

Peggie,

I would suggest that if there is no mention of 'devices' in the
definition of "Discharge", the the term "emitting" could easily be
construed to include direct human discharge whether there is an
interim device used or not. The definition is literally to "send
forth" either matter or energy.


Theoretically you're correct. However, in actual practice the "emitting"
of waste directly from a body into the water is permitted.

Peggie

Theoretically you're correct. However, in actual practice the "emitting"
of waste directly from a body into the water is permitted.

Peggie
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Peggie ,, the only answer is the "Underwater Pooper".

I made the first model in the cellar. My sales pitch is "Dive Right In".

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"Peggie Hall" wrote in message
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Keith Hughes wrote:
Peggie,

I would suggest that if there is no mention of 'devices' in the
definition of "Discharge", the the term "emitting" could easily be
construed to include direct human discharge whether there is an interim
device used or not. The definition is literally to "send forth" either
matter or energy.

Theoretically you're correct. However, in actual practice the "emitting"
of waste directly from a body into the water is permitted.

Peggie


Peggie Hall wrote:
Larry wrote:

The regulations about holding tanks and Y valves is for MOUNTED
systems....permanently mounted heads plumbed into the boat. The regs
do NOT cover a Portapotti that is NOT mounted into the boat in a
permanent manner, a "portable device", whether that's a rusty old
bucket, a covered plastic bucket from Dunkin' Donuts (works great, $1),
or a "pretty" Portapottie/Sanipottie. If you have a stern-mounted
1-holer hangin out over the ocean, that's not covered, either....like
old sailing ships had...(c;


Sorry, Larry, but the regs DO cover discharge of sewage from any device,
installed or not.

Sewage is defined in the CFR as "human body wastes and the wastes from
toilets and other receptacles intended to receive or retain body waste."

Discharge is defined in the CFR as "includes, but is not limited to, any
spilling, leaking, pouring, pumping, emitting, emptying, or dumping."

Note that while "marine sanitation device" is defined as "any equipment
for installation on board a vessel which is designed to receive, retain,
treat, or discharge sewage, and any process to treat such sewage," there
is no mention of marine sanitation devices in the definition of
"discharge."

So although the CFR does require that any vessel that has an installed
toilet also be equipped with either a holding tank or a CG certified
treatment device, the CFR also makes it illegal to discharge raw sewage
from ANY container--portpotty, bucket, or even a coffee cup, whether
it's installed or not--inside the "3 mile limit." And what isn't covered
in MARINE sanition laws is covered by the laws pertaining to sewage from
all sources including those on land.

However, it is NOT illegal to pee into the water from the lee rail or
hang your butt off the stern...it's only illegal to put waste into any
container and empty the container into the water.

I didn't write the law, I'm just the messenger.




--
Peggie
----------
Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://shop.sailboatowners.com/books...ku=90&cat=1304

Rick Morel wrote in
:

Might be wiser to immerse the involved body parts in
the water in a crowded marina for obvious reasons. You just can't use
any "device".


Is THAT why that lady on the next dock over was screaming obscenities at
me?! She just couldn't leave it alone...kept screaming about the
"environment". Damned greenies.....

Larry

Peggie Hall wrote in news:v0%Ah.6138$o61.899
@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net:

However, it is NOT illegal to pee into the water from the lee rail or
hang your butt off the stern...it's only illegal to put waste into any
container and empty the container into the water.



We got that covered, too, in SC. The cop explained it to me. He called it
"Indecent Exposure". I told him it was beer an hour ago, before it became
illegal....(c;

Ok, I'll stop dumping the Portapottie tank over the side, too....darn....

I want my Monomatic back....You only had to dump it once a year....(sigh)
If you hook a Monomatic to a 25 gallon RV holding tank, you only have to
dump it just before you sell it....(c;

Larry
--
"And away goes trouble, down the drain...."

Peggie Hall wrote in news:fu0Bh.22309$zH1.14173
@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net:

Theoretically you're correct. However, in actual practice the "emitting"
of waste directly from a body into the water is permitted.



But, not into the public swimming pool at the park....please....

Larry
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