What happens if you order just four pints? Is their a rule of thumb how much
one can order without feeling like he should?
The whole tipping thing is way to confusing. I think they should just pay
everyone a decent wage and forget tipping and if your service sucks you get
fired just like any other job.
I never even know who to tip anymore.

Do you tip the guy that works at the marina that grabs your lines for you
when you come in?

How about the guy that pumps your fuel?

Do you tip the girl at the drive in Sonic burger joint that rollerskates out
with your food even though you have no choice to go in and get it yourself?

We get the best service from Smithfields Chicken N' BBQ and they don't get
tipped by anyone and they are always happy. Go figure!!

When I was a teenager, I went to a chinese food restaraunt with a bunch of
people and in the end I got stuck with the whole bill. I paid it in cash and
had very little for a tip but left what I had and was going to an ATM to get
more and go back. I had some chinese dude come out in the parking lot with a
carving knife screaming What the matter!!!!Food no good??? Lousy tip!!!!!!!
I will never forget that night, you would think one of the cheap asses I was
with would throw a few bucks in. Needless to say I never went out with them
again.

Phil

wrote in message
...
On Sat, 04 Oct 2003 12:07:49 GMT, "Geoffrey W. Schultz"
wrote:

In a large part of the world %10 is the average tip. Now what does this
have to do with sailing?

Well, if you cruise long-term, it's important to know the gratuities
customs--if any--of the places you visit.

A for-instance is the British Isles and in this case including
Ireland. You simply don't tip the barman...it's considered insulting.
You do, however, say "and one for yourself" when placing a table-ful
of orders, for, say, eight pints of lager. Then you give the guy the
price of nine pints of lager.

And so on.

R.

x-no-archive:yes "Phil" wrote:

What happens if you order just four pints? Is their a rule of thumb how much
one can order without feeling like he should?
The whole tipping thing is way to confusing. I think they should just pay
everyone a decent wage and forget tipping and if your service sucks you get
fired just like any other job.
I never even know who to tip anymore.

Yes it is confusing - that's why you need to know. In the States it's
usually 15% for waiters unless it's a buffet, in which case we usually
leave less. If the wait person has done a significantly wonderful
job, or if we've got little people who have spread cracker crumbs all
over the floor or something, we might up it to 20%. Bob's method is
to take the MD state tax (5%) and multiply by 3 and then round up to a
whole number (or down in the service was bad) - that way you don't tip
on the tax. Of course it doesn't work if the tax isn't 5%.

Do you tip the guy that works at the marina that grabs your lines for you
when you come in?

We do if he or she does more than just grab the lines. If he has to
wrestle the boat into the slip against wind and current (as we have a
full keel), or if he's out there in the freezing rain, then yes. If
he drops the lines or doesn't catch them and doesn't know how to tie a
knot then no.


How about the guy that pumps your fuel?

No. And I don't tip the guys at the full service fuel pump at a gas
station either.

Do you tip the girl at the drive in Sonic burger joint that rollerskates out
with your food even though you have no choice to go in and get it yourself?

I don't know - we don't have those places, but probably we would - you
don't have the choice in a regular restaurant either do you? One of
my kids worked as a breakfast waitress and two were pizza delivery
people so I know how hard those jobs are. I don't tip the fast food
places where you drive up to the window or where you go to the counter
to get your food.

We get the best service from Smithfields Chicken N' BBQ and they don't get
tipped by anyone and they are always happy. Go figure!!

When I was a teenager, I went to a chinese food restaraunt with a bunch of
people and in the end I got stuck with the whole bill. I paid it in cash and
had very little for a tip but left what I had and was going to an ATM to get
more and go back. I had some chinese dude come out in the parking lot with a
carving knife screaming What the matter!!!!Food no good??? Lousy tip!!!!!!!
I will never forget that night, you would think one of the cheap asses I was
with would throw a few bucks in. Needless to say I never went out with them
again.

Phil

wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 04 Oct 2003 12:07:49 GMT, "Geoffrey W. Schultz"
wrote:

In a large part of the world %10 is the average tip. Now what does this
have to do with sailing?

Well, if you cruise long-term, it's important to know the gratuities
customs--if any--of the places you visit.

A for-instance is the British Isles and in this case including
Ireland. You simply don't tip the barman...it's considered insulting.
You do, however, say "and one for yourself" when placing a table-ful
of orders, for, say, eight pints of lager. Then you give the guy the
price of nine pints of lager.

And so on.

R.



grandma Rosalie

I have seen "little people" trash a restaraunt and mom and pop leave a buck
tip when they should leave a fifty.
Restaraunts are easy and I always leave 15%+. My confusion isn't a
restaraunt or the pizza delivery person.

What is considered normal job duties and what isn't. At a marina, is it the
dockhands job to help you in a slip when you call in? They say someone will
meet you at the slip and help you with the lines. Is that considered his
regular job and is part of the $2 a foot? Whether your boat is heavy or not?
I don't usually need help but they always send someone anyway and the guys
stands there waiting for something to pull on.

"Rosalie B." wrote in message
...
x-no-archive:yes "Phil" wrote:

What happens if you order just four pints? Is their a rule of thumb how
much
one can order without feeling like he should?
The whole tipping thing is way to confusing. I think they should just pay
everyone a decent wage and forget tipping and if your service sucks you
get
fired just like any other job.
I never even know who to tip anymore.

Yes it is confusing - that's why you need to know. In the States it's
usually 15% for waiters unless it's a buffet, in which case we usually
leave less. If the wait person has done a significantly wonderful
job, or if we've got little people who have spread cracker crumbs all
over the floor or something, we might up it to 20%. Bob's method is
to take the MD state tax (5%) and multiply by 3 and then round up to a
whole number (or down in the service was bad) - that way you don't tip
on the tax. Of course it doesn't work if the tax isn't 5%.

Do you tip the guy that works at the marina that grabs your lines for you
when you come in?

We do if he or she does more than just grab the lines. If he has to
wrestle the boat into the slip against wind and current (as we have a
full keel), or if he's out there in the freezing rain, then yes. If
he drops the lines or doesn't catch them and doesn't know how to tie a
knot then no.

On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 00:09:06 GMT, "Phil" wrote:

What happens if you order just four pints? Is their a rule of thumb how much
one can order without feeling like he should?

No, although if the barperson was prompt, you could just order single
pints for yourself and tip them "one for yourself" when leaving. It's
not expected there, they are paid properly, and it's simply a token of
your esteem...like buying rounds.

The whole tipping thing is way to confusing. I think they should just pay
everyone a decent wage and forget tipping and if your service sucks you get
fired just like any other job.
I never even know who to tip anymore.

I tend to agree it's a contemptible custom when extorted.

Do you tip the guy that works at the marina that grabs your lines for you
when you come in?

Not if it's his job. If he fends you off or performs minor heroics,
buy him a beer. Our dockmaster, who wouldn't be at my dock unless I
radioed ahead, CAN'T by club rules take tips or drink with members. In
which case I would commend her to her manager and recommend a bonus...

How about the guy that pumps your fuel?

Hell, no.

Do you tip the girl at the drive in Sonic burger joint that rollerskates out
with your food even though you have no choice to go in and get it yourself?

No.

We get the best service from Smithfields Chicken N' BBQ and they don't get
tipped by anyone and they are always happy. Go figure!!

If you love them so much, slip 'em an envelope at Xmas or offer to
give $20 to their favourite charity. Many little places support sports
teams or charities...drop something in the jar by the till.

When I was a teenager, I went to a chinese food restaraunt with a bunch of
people and in the end I got stuck with the whole bill. I paid it in cash and
had very little for a tip but left what I had and was going to an ATM to get
more and go back. I had some chinese dude come out in the parking lot with a
carving knife screaming What the matter!!!!Food no good??? Lousy tip!!!!!!!
I will never forget that night, you would think one of the cheap asses I was
with would throw a few bucks in. Needless to say I never went out with them
again.

That's not your fault...it's the sons-of-bitches you hung with. The
cook was rude and homicidal...tips are and shall ever be voluntary, or
they are tips, they are "service charges".

R.

The word TIPS means "to ensure prompt service". If the service is
lousy I don't tip anything
at marine restaurants (to try and keep to a nautical topic). 15% is
normal but I don't tip on
the taxes charged that is for sure. To expect a tip for poor service
is ridiculous no matter how
much you are being paid. sail on.....

John wrote:
The word TIPS means "to ensure prompt service".

Wouldn't that be "TEPS"?

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On Sat, 4 Oct 2003 00:38:04 -0700, "Evan Gatehouse"
wrote:


In British Columbia, Canada, where I live now, the minimum wage is $ 8/hour.

That's about the same $US2.38/hour in Maryland, given the state of the
Canadian dollar, isn't it?....(c;



Larry W4CSC

3600 planes with transponders are burning 8-10 million
gallons of kerosene per hour over the USA. R-12 car air
conditioners are responsible for the ozone hole, right?

On Sun, 05 Oct 2003 01:38:54 GMT, in message

(Larry W4CSC) wrote:

On Sat, 4 Oct 2003 00:38:04 -0700, "Evan Gatehouse"
wrote:


In British Columbia, Canada, where I live now, the minimum wage is $ 8/hour.

That's about the same $US2.38/hour in Maryland, given the state of the
Canadian dollar, isn't it?....(c;

US$8 = CDN$6 at currently prevailing rates (0.7453)

Ryk

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On Sat, 04 Oct 2003 23:41:42 -0400, Ryk
wrote (with possible editing):

On Sun, 05 Oct 2003 01:38:54 GMT, in message

(Larry W4CSC) wrote:

On Sat, 4 Oct 2003 00:38:04 -0700, "Evan Gatehouse"
wrote:


In British Columbia, Canada, where I live now, the minimum wage is $ 8/hour.

That's about the same $US2.38/hour in Maryland, given the state of the
Canadian dollar, isn't it?....(c;

US$8 = CDN$6 at currently prevailing rates (0.7453)

Ryk

I think you have that backwards. It's CDN$8 = US$5.96 at Oct. 2d
rates.

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On Sun, 05 Oct 2003 14:57:58 GMT, in message

L. M. Rappaport wrote:

On Sat, 04 Oct 2003 23:41:42 -0400, Ryk
wrote (with possible editing):

On Sun, 05 Oct 2003 01:38:54 GMT, in message

(Larry W4CSC) wrote:

On Sat, 4 Oct 2003 00:38:04 -0700, "Evan Gatehouse"
wrote:


In British Columbia, Canada, where I live now, the minimum wage is $ 8/hour.

That's about the same $US2.38/hour in Maryland, given the state of the
Canadian dollar, isn't it?....(c;

US$8 = CDN$6 at currently prevailing rates (0.7453)

Ryk

I think you have that backwards. It's CDN$8 = US$5.96 at Oct. 2d
rates.

Quite so. Blame the dyslexia...

Ryk

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