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Hi Folks,
Up here in Canada (at least in Ontario) boats powered under 10hp are not required to be registered. This is the case with my 10 foot RIB and 9.9 outboard motor, which I use as a tender when sailing my big boat. No name on the dinghy, no registration numbers. In a trip through the eastern USA to Florida, am I likely to encounter problems with local police or coat guard because the dinghy is unregistered, unlicensed, etc.? Anyone experience problems with the local authorities? Warning and tips appreciated. Jimmy |
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I bought a boat from a Canadian owner who used the same vessel ID on his
dink as was assigned to the mother ship. Don't know if it's kosher but worked for him. "Jimmy" wrote in message . .. Hi Folks, Up here in Canada (at least in Ontario) boats powered under 10hp are not required to be registered. This is the case with my 10 foot RIB and 9.9 outboard motor, which I use as a tender when sailing my big boat. No name on the dinghy, no registration numbers. In a trip through the eastern USA to Florida, am I likely to encounter problems with local police or coat guard because the dinghy is unregistered, unlicensed, etc.? Anyone experience problems with the local authorities? Warning and tips appreciated. Jimmy |
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In the US, if your boat is USCG documented and the dinghy engine is 10
HP or less, you can put your documentation number plus "-1", ie 123456-1. You can only use the dinghy as a "tender", joy riding is out. I did that for a couple years with no problems, even doing a bit of joy riding. This in LA, MS, AL and FL. Last year I state registered the dinghy becase I started throwing it in the pickup and exploring some lakes and bayous. Rick On Thu, 2 Oct 2003 13:04:55 -0700, "jps" wrote: I bought a boat from a Canadian owner who used the same vessel ID on his dink as was assigned to the mother ship. Don't know if it's kosher but worked for him. In a trip through the eastern USA to Florida, am I likely to encounter problems with local police or coat guard because the dinghy is unregistered, unlicensed, etc.? Anyone experience problems with the local authorities? Warning and tips appreciated. Jimmy S/V Final Step http://www.morelr.com/coronado/ |
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From: http://www.uscg.mil/hq/g-m/vdoc/faq.htm#23 IS THE VESSEL TENDER DOCUMENTED? Documentation of your vessel does not cover the vessel's tender or dinghy. These craft fall within the jurisdiction of the motorboat numbering laws of the state of principal use. Please contact your state agency that handles the registration or numbering of motorboats for further information John In the US, if your boat is USCG documented and the dinghy engine is 10 HP or less, you can put your documentation number plus "-1", ie 123456-1. You can only use the dinghy as a "tender", joy riding is out. I did that for a couple years with no problems, even doing a bit of joy riding. This in LA, MS, AL and FL. Last year I state registered the dinghy becase I started throwing it in the pickup and exploring some lakes and bayous. Rick On Thu, 2 Oct 2003 13:04:55 -0700, "jps" wrote: I bought a boat from a Canadian owner who used the same vessel ID on his dink as was assigned to the mother ship. Don't know if it's kosher but worked for him. In a trip through the eastern USA to Florida, am I likely to encounter problems with local police or coat guard because the dinghy is unregistered, unlicensed, etc.? Anyone experience problems with the local authorities? Warning and tips appreciated. Jimmy S/V Final Step http://www.morelr.com/coronado/ |
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Hi Jimmy,
I am a canuck who had his sailboat in Seattle and took a trip in my dinghy up through the locks into Lake Union. I was accosted by two incredibly rude Harbour cops who hassled me big time over no registration numbers on my boat and the fact I was a foreigner didn't make any difference to them in the slightest. You can't go anywhere other that from your boat to shore by the shortest possible route in an unregistered dinghy. That was about 10 years ago and I haven't been back and have no plans to ever go again. That country is simply not worth the hassle between the border guards, coasties and harbour police. If you really want a treat.... go to San Diego and try anchoring. Harbour Nazi's decend on you in droves. Good luck going south but myself and many others won't ever go south again. Hope this helps. cheers John Jimmy wrote: Hi Folks, Up here in Canada (at least in Ontario) boats powered under 10hp are not required to be registered. This is the case with my 10 foot RIB and 9.9 outboard motor, which I use as a tender when sailing my big boat. No name on the dinghy, no registration numbers. In a trip through the eastern USA to Florida, am I likely to encounter problems with local police or coat guard because the dinghy is unregistered, unlicensed, etc.? Anyone experience problems with the local authorities? Warning and tips appreciated. Jimmy |
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Well John, truth be told my experience in the USA has been markedly
simliar to yours, and many of the folks I know report similarly. I intend to get through the USA as quickly as I possibly can and move on. Cheerful banana republics are FAR more hospitable than most places in the USA, thanks to the egocentric gestapo like tactics we (and a lot of my friends and neighbours) have encountered in America. Local bubba cops who believe that they are the "utlimate authority" when in reality they are too ignorant to even know that they are ignorant. I've been ORDERED to do stupid things by these anal orifices (like extinguish an anchor light while anchored so that I don't confuse people!!) once too often. Hence the reason for my post. It may be a futile effort but attempting to avoid the dickheads is my aim. Fat chance..too many of them. SO different to cruising in Canada. Gotta wonder where the "Land of the Free" idea came from...or where it went huh? And now the "patriot act". Nothing beats taking away freedom and calling it patriotic! ~laughing and if you argue, you're (gasp) unpatriotic. Man, they have the whole country by the balls. Now watch all the antics as Americans attempt to defend their fictious belief in their non-existing freedom. Folks, before you react foolishly, recognise a couple of things: 1) It's true and you know it. 2) It's YOUR country and YOUR government. Only YOU can do something about it. Bitching at me will have no impact on YOUR mess. It'll just make you feel vaguely better. So don't worry, this Canuck will race through your country so fast you won't even know (or care) that I was there. Suits me to a tee too. John wrote: Hi Jimmy, I am a canuck who had his sailboat in Seattle and took a trip in my dinghy up through the locks into Lake Union. I was accosted by two incredibly rude Harbour cops who hassled me big time over no registration numbers on my boat and the fact I was a foreigner didn't make any difference to them in the slightest. You can't go anywhere other that from your boat to shore by the shortest possible route in an unregistered dinghy. That was about 10 years ago and I haven't been back and have no plans to ever go again. That country is simply not worth the hassle between the border guards, coasties and harbour police. If you really want a treat.... go to San Diego and try anchoring. Harbour Nazi's decend on you in droves. Good luck going south but myself and many others won't ever go south again. Hope this helps. cheers John Jimmy wrote: Hi Folks, Up here in Canada (at least in Ontario) boats powered under 10hp are not required to be registered. This is the case with my 10 foot RIB and 9.9 outboard motor, which I use as a tender when sailing my big boat. No name on the dinghy, no registration numbers. In a trip through the eastern USA to Florida, am I likely to encounter problems with local police or coat guard because the dinghy is unregistered, unlicensed, etc.? Anyone experience problems with the local authorities? Warning and tips appreciated. Jimmy |
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Subject: Dinghy registration
From: Jimmy So don't worry, this Canuck will race through your country so fast you won't even know (or care) that I was there. Suits me to a tee too. While I may agree with some of what you have said, my reply is this: Your money ain't worth squat and you're loosy tippers, "and many of the folks I know report similarly", took the words right out of my mouth. So please race on through to the "banana republics" that have yet to fugure out your money ain't worth squat. Not to mention the fact that you sound like an arrogant, condescending, asshole. And, as you have point out, we have plenty of those of our own. :-) "Bitching at me will have no impact on YOUR mess. It'll just make you feel vaguely better." Much, actually. Capt. Bill |
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Hell, I'm an American and agree completely. That's why I'm getting my boat
ready and leaving the country ASAP! Society has gotten too friggin' crazy for me. I saw a good cartoon yesterday. A witch was trick-or-treating and got some candy from the lady of the house. In the next frame, the witch says "and if I end up with a weight problem, you'll be hearing from my lawyer." Sad but true. "Jimmy" wrote in message .. . Well John, truth be told my experience in the USA has been markedly simliar to yours, and many of the folks I know report similarly. I intend to get through the USA as quickly as I possibly can and move on. Cheerful banana republics are FAR more hospitable than most places in the USA, thanks to the egocentric gestapo like tactics we (and a lot of my friends and neighbours) have encountered in America. Local bubba cops who believe that they are the "utlimate authority" when in reality they are too ignorant to even know that they are ignorant. I've been ORDERED to do stupid things by these anal orifices (like extinguish an anchor light while anchored so that I don't confuse people!!) once too often. Hence the reason for my post. It may be a futile effort but attempting to avoid the dickheads is my aim. Fat chance..too many of them. SO different to cruising in Canada. Gotta wonder where the "Land of the Free" idea came from...or where it went huh? And now the "patriot act". Nothing beats taking away freedom and calling it patriotic! ~laughing and if you argue, you're (gasp) unpatriotic. Man, they have the whole country by the balls. Now watch all the antics as Americans attempt to defend their fictious belief in their non-existing freedom. Folks, before you react foolishly, recognise a couple of things: 1) It's true and you know it. 2) It's YOUR country and YOUR government. Only YOU can do something about it. Bitching at me will have no impact on YOUR mess. It'll just make you feel vaguely better. So don't worry, this Canuck will race through your country so fast you won't even know (or care) that I was there. Suits me to a tee too. John wrote: Hi Jimmy, I am a canuck who had his sailboat in Seattle and took a trip in my dinghy up through the locks into Lake Union. I was accosted by two incredibly rude Harbour cops who hassled me big time over no registration numbers on my boat and the fact I was a foreigner didn't make any difference to them in the slightest. You can't go anywhere other that from your boat to shore by the shortest possible route in an unregistered dinghy. That was about 10 years ago and I haven't been back and have no plans to ever go again. That country is simply not worth the hassle between the border guards, coasties and harbour police. If you really want a treat.... go to San Diego and try anchoring. Harbour Nazi's decend on you in droves. Good luck going south but myself and many others won't ever go south again. Hope this helps. cheers John Jimmy wrote: Hi Folks, Up here in Canada (at least in Ontario) boats powered under 10hp are not required to be registered. This is the case with my 10 foot RIB and 9.9 outboard motor, which I use as a tender when sailing my big boat. No name on the dinghy, no registration numbers. In a trip through the eastern USA to Florida, am I likely to encounter problems with local police or coat guard because the dinghy is unregistered, unlicensed, etc.? Anyone experience problems with the local authorities? Warning and tips appreciated. Jimmy |
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John I've got to reply to a few points, which I hope you'll accept in the spirit
offered. John wrote: Hi Jimmy, I am a canuck who had his sailboat in Seattle and took a trip in my dinghy up through the locks into Lake Union. I was accosted by two incredibly rude Harbour cops Sorry about those guys. Prickly as Hell. who hassled me big time over no registration numbers on my boat and the fact I was a foreigner didn't make any difference to them in the slightest. As it shouldn't, right? Putting aside the interpersonal difficulties, you *were* driving an unregistered boat through the locks. No case could be made that the boat was performing as a tender. Can't agree with you on that one - it was pretty blatant. I can't imagine some American being smiled at and given a 'tsk tsk' for being a mile into WG when it's active, can you? OK, not completely comparable, but rules and laws about these things in the US aren't created to hassle Canadians, of all people. You can't go anywhere other that from your boat to shore by the shortest possible route in an unregistered dinghy. Not strictly true, at least here in WA. We can do the odd setting of crab pots and exploring a harbor. I suppose that the law may be as you state it, but I've never heard of being hassled for that 'near boat' stuff. That was about 10 years ago and I haven't been back and have no plans to ever go again. That country is simply not worth the hassle between the border guards, coasties and harbour police. If you really want a treat.... go to San Diego and try anchoring. Harbour Nazi's decend on you in droves. Large cities tend to be that way. San Diego has had a horrible problem with anchored boats and they have been aggressive in trying to keep it under control. One can't anchor 'just anywhere', for a variety of very good reasons. But San Diego doesn't have exclusive hold on 'harbor nazi-ism'. Two years ago a friend who spends a lot of time anchored in French Creek (Vancouver, CA for your easterners) was busted big time, hassled for hours, made him report here and there, and fined in the hundreds for "Trespassing", which is the charge they laid when he overstayed an hour or so at a moorage on Granville Island. He admitted his error, but felt the reaction and treatment were out of line. Frankly I couldn't believe he was talking about Canada. But cities are strange animals. But did you check any source, whatever, to determine where you might anchor? If not, why not? You certainly can't drop into Vancouver Harbour or Victoria and anchor anywhere. Or Esquimault, which begins to compare to San Diego with its huge and varied Navy presence, right? One of the most valid criticisms of Americans I hear from my Canadian friends is that some of them, sometimes, act as though 'Canada were just another state' and fail to recognize that it is a sovereign nation. That's a fair judgement and embarrassing to us who do know and respect the distinction. But, reading your message, I wonder if perhaps you didn't act a little bit that way even if, on reflection, you knew better. Good luck going south but myself and many others won't ever go south again. Hope this helps. cheers John |
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On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 04:35:00 GMT, Chuck Bollinger
wrote (with possible editing): John I've got to reply to a few points, which I hope you'll accept in the spirit offered. ....snip Nice post, Chuck. I agree completely. You didn't mention the Patriot Act. There, I have to agree with Jimmy completely - it's hard to imagine taking away citizen's rights and calling it patriotic. Frankly, I consider John Ashcroft to be the most dangerous American since McCarthy. Jimmy, just know that many of us firmly disagree with Ashcroft, the Patriot Act, DMCA, UCITMA, and a host of other atrocities and we're trying to change them through the electoral process. That said, I should note that Canada has its share of idiots as well. I live on the border and have seen and dealt with my share, including filing charges against one particularly egregious border Nazi. -- Larry |
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