"KLC Lewis" wrote in message news:KpKdnY7Qx-
I should note that I've seen more than one or two boats that had
the head mounted fore-and-aft, centerline, in the bow. While
this takes great advantage of space, I shudder to think of using
that head underway in any kind of chop.

Ah. I can tell you all about that. Got airborne when butting
through the wake of a high speed ferry. Landed off centre.
Pedestal broke off at the base . . . need I say more?

Four stitches.

The real answer is two heads, one each side of the vessel, each
set athwartships. For serious work, you can then inhabit the
downhill one, and rest in peace with your back against the
bulkhead. Much better than being pitched nose forward from the
uphill one, pants around your ankles . . . need I say more?

Broken nose and dignity.
--
JimB
http://www.jimbaerselman.f2s.com/
Comparing cruise areas within Greece and N Spain

"JimB" wrote in message
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"KLC Lewis" wrote in message news:KpKdnY7Qx-
I should note that I've seen more than one or two boats that had the head
mounted fore-and-aft, centerline, in the bow. While this takes great
advantage of space, I shudder to think of using that head underway in any
kind of chop.

Ah. I can tell you all about that. Got airborne when butting through the
wake of a high speed ferry. Landed off centre. Pedestal broke off at the
base . . . need I say more?

Four stitches.

The real answer is two heads, one each side of the vessel, each set
athwartships. For serious work, you can then inhabit the downhill one, and
rest in peace with your back against the bulkhead. Much better than being
pitched nose forward from the uphill one, pants around your ankles . . .
need I say more?

Broken nose and dignity.
--
JimB
http://www.jimbaerselman.f2s.com/
Comparing cruise areas within Greece and N Spain


Say no more. This brings to mind my ultimate head installation idea: The
Gimballed Head. I've never seen it done, and it would have significant
problems to overcome for hose connections, but it could make for a very
peaceful "pause that refreshes."

On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 09:58:49 -0600, KLC Lewis wrote:

I too have always thought that centerline orientation is best for the head.
Unfortunately, I've never seen a smaller-to-moderately sized boat where this
works. Of course, one could always make the head the focal point of the
boat, but most visitors would find it odd.

In many smaller sailboats, the V-berth is practically unusable anyway, so
why not just make it into a head/lazarette compartment? Notable examples
would be the Morse Bristol Channel Cutter, and a whole bunch of trailer
sailors (which have it under the middle of the V-berth).

Matt O.

Matt O'Toole wrote:

In many smaller sailboats, the V-berth is practically unusable anyway, so
why not just make it into a head/lazarette compartment? Notable examples
would be the Morse Bristol Channel Cutter, and a whole bunch of trailer
sailors (which have it under the middle of the V-berth).

Matt O.


Sounds like my Sandpiper 565 with an MSD c/w deck pumpout.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...d/Hpim0171.jpg

Don White wrote in news:feHah.25690$cz.390868
@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...d/Hpim0171.jpg

No paper?!

Matt O'Toole wrote in
news
In many smaller sailboats, the V-berth is practically unusable anyway, so
why not just make it into a head/lazarette compartment?

Tell you what, Matt. Take any boat under 30' out to sea under sail. Take
a pan about the size of a toilet bowl into the V-berth with 4" of water in
the bottom of it and see if you can hold it without getting wet.

Question answers itself....

Anyways, the V-berth is never "practically unusable", in port or at sea.
After you've cleaned up the mess from the pan experiment, let some sweet
young thing take you up in the V-berth for a couple of hours of R&R....then
come back aft and tell us how "practically unusable" it was....with all
that vertical motion...

AND WIPE THAT SMILE OFF YOUR FACE!

V-berths are the most wonderful places on the boat....in the right
circumstances, of course....(c;

Larry
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KLC Lewis wrote:

I too have always thought that centerline orientation is best for the head.
Unfortunately, I've never seen a smaller-to-moderately sized boat where this
works. Of course, one could always make the head the focal point of the
boat, but most visitors would find it odd.

LOL Perhaps not if it were a portapotty with a "dropleaf" lid panels
that would allow it to double as a coffee table....??

(sorry...but the mental images were just irresistable)

--
Peggie
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Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://shop.sailboatowners.com/books...ku=90&cat=1304

"Peggie Hall" wrote in message
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KLC Lewis wrote:

I too have always thought that centerline orientation is best for the
head. Unfortunately, I've never seen a smaller-to-moderately sized boat
where this works. Of course, one could always make the head the focal
point of the boat, but most visitors would find it odd.

LOL Perhaps not if it were a portapotty with a "dropleaf" lid panels
that would allow it to double as a coffee table....??

(sorry...but the mental images were just irresistable)

--
Peggie
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Hmmm...maybe this is doable after all! lol

It just occured to me that right smack in the middle of my saloon/galley
area is a removable bilge cover. Maybe if I chiseled-out some of that
concrete I could set the porta-potti down there... OOps -- I forgot. The
Bilge Beaver wouldn't take kindly to my intruding into his living space.

In "KLC Lewis" writes:


"Peggie Hall" wrote in message
...
KLC Lewis wrote:

I too have always thought that centerline orientation is best for the
head. Unfortunately, I've never seen a smaller-to-moderately sized boat
where this works. Of course, one could always make the head the focal
point of the boat, but most visitors would find it odd.

LOL Perhaps not if it were a portapotty with a "dropleaf" lid panels
that would allow it to double as a coffee table....??

(sorry...but the mental images were just irresistable)

--
Peggie
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Hmmm...maybe this is doable after all! lol

It just occured to me that right smack in the middle of my saloon/galley
area is a removable bilge cover. Maybe if I chiseled-out some of that
concrete I could set the porta-potti down there... OOps -- I forgot. The
Bilge Beaver wouldn't take kindly to my intruding into his living space.

I had a 27 foot cruiser, without any toilet arrangement execpt a bucket
and when the boat was bought by a friend of mine, who had a vife and 2
daughters, they voted (3 to 1) that the boat must have a toilet, so they
bought a Porta-Potti and with a piece of plywood it was used as a cabin
table, and without the lid as a toilet. Of course the rest of the crew
had to go to the cockpit to allow some privacy to the user of the
toilet. It was less complicated than most think, as in harbour they used
the harbour sanitary facilities and while sailing most of the time the
people were in the cockpit anyway.

- Lauri Tarkkonen

Peggie Hall wrote in news:ZKJah.844$Py2.662
@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net:

LOL Perhaps not if it were a portapotty with a "dropleaf" lid panels
that would allow it to double as a coffee table....??

(sorry...but the mental images were just irresistable)

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HEY! WATCHIT! When I was a young sailor back in the mid 1960's, I had a
Volkswagon Kombi camper with the popup top. Under the seat behind the
driver, that looked backwards at the dinette table, I installed that
portapottie. It fit perfectly!

As we camped in hot South Carolina, I installed a small A/C in the port
bulkhead in the middle window over the table right above the "head". The
A/C leaned in, due to the slope of the window, so I had to drill a hole
in the drain pan and drain the condensate inside the van to a hose. This
was great because the condensate water was plumbed into the supply tank
of the little Porta Pottie to fill its fresh water supply tank...which
never needed filling.... An overflow, installed at the top of the tank,
drained off excess flush water under the camper.

The "holding tank" on the bottom you'd normally remove to dump by hand,
was modified by adding a holding tank outside drain valve and hose
fitting that was sealed into a hole cut into the floor of the camper. It
dumped like the big RVs at any dump station, without taking the Porta
Pottie apart.

Some foam tape sealed the seat to the bowl and more on the lid sealed the
lid to the seat to make the top gas tight. The weight of the camper's
padded seat over the storage compartment was perfect to press down on the
lid to increase the seal. A small shim glued to the bottom of the seat
made it so. Once closed and the camper ventilated, you'd never know it
had its own pottie facility.....right at the dinner table...(c;

We had some great parties in that camper. DC power came from an 8D
monster battery under the fold-down rear bed seat with battery cables
running back to the powerful 37hp Volkswagen engine's old fashioned DC
generator on the fan shaft.

A cop stopped me for speeding on I-26 in Columbia, SC, on the way to a
campout. The speed limit was 70 in those days. The flow limiter built
into the bottom of the carb would only let it go 65, even down a steep
hill to keep from overrevving the pancake engine that had reduction gears
on each drive wheel. I showed the cop the VW seal and offered to see him
in court over the ticket. He tore up the ticket and laid rubber getting
away from me...(c; I was the slowest thing next to a garbage truck!

Thanks for the memories, Peggie. It truly was a "self-contained"
camper....(c;


Larry
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If we eliminate religion, will they stop murdering each other?