Been using Grocco HF heads for a number of years only because, at 13.5
inches, they are the lowest height head I can find in any of the
catalogs. However, I'm getting pretty tired of the poor performance,
breakdowns and frequent repairs needed on these units.

In my boat the head sits on a shelf that is already 8.5 inches above the
floor which then slopes down even more toward the midline of the boat.
Even a 1 inch taller head is uncomfortable for this crew of short
legged people.

Anybody know of a low rise head model that is 13 inches high or less?

Jerry wrote:
...In my boat the head sits on a shelf that is already 8.5 inches above the
floor which then slopes down even more toward the midline of the boat.
Even a 1 inch taller head is uncomfortable for this crew of short
legged people.

Anybody know of a low rise head model that is 13 inches high or less?

With "standard" bowls, the Raritan Compact II and the Jabsco manual are
only a fraction over 13". The Wilcox Headmate is only 12" tall.

Peggie
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Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://www.seaworthy.com/html/get_ri...oat_odors.html

I have two Groco HF heads that have seen nearly 17 years of use. I looked into
other heads, but finally just did a complete pump replacement for the HFs. They
have worked well, only needing a rebuild every year or two. Have you checked
your discharge lines for clogging?
Jerry wrote:

Been using Grocco HF heads for a number of years only because, at 13.5
inches, they are the lowest height head I can find in any of the
catalogs. However, I'm getting pretty tired of the poor performance,
breakdowns and frequent repairs needed on these units.

In my boat the head sits on a shelf that is already 8.5 inches above the
floor which then slopes down even more toward the midline of the boat.
Even a 1 inch taller head is uncomfortable for this crew of short
legged people.

Anybody know of a low rise head model that is 13 inches high or less?

sded wrote:
I have two Groco HF heads that have seen nearly 17 years of use. I looked into
other heads, but finally just did a complete pump replacement for the HFs. They
have worked well, only needing a rebuild every year or two. Have you checked
your discharge lines for clogging?

He didn't mention what kinds of problems he's having with Groco...but
it's amazing how many repairs wouldn't be necessary if there was any
preventive maintenance done. But preventive maintenance is something
that never occurs to most boat owners...they assume that because
household toilets don't need any, marine toilets don't either. So the
toilet works fine for about year or two--till it needs some...after
that, it's never-ending battle to fix what breaks but didn't have to.
And, of course, it's always because the toilet is a "piece of junk."

Peggie
----------
Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://www.seaworthy.com/html/get_ri...oat_odors.html

It's amazing how much good a gallon of vinegar a year does for each head.
Peggie Hall wrote:

sded wrote:
I have two Groco HF heads that have seen nearly 17 years of use. I looked into
other heads, but finally just did a complete pump replacement for the HFs. They
have worked well, only needing a rebuild every year or two. Have you checked
your discharge lines for clogging?

He didn't mention what kinds of problems he's having with Groco...but
it's amazing how many repairs wouldn't be necessary if there was any
preventive maintenance done. But preventive maintenance is something
that never occurs to most boat owners...they assume that because
household toilets don't need any, marine toilets don't either. So the
toilet works fine for about year or two--till it needs some...after
that, it's never-ending battle to fix what breaks but didn't have to.
And, of course, it's always because the toilet is a "piece of junk."

Peggie
----------
Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://www.seaworthy.com/html/get_ri...oat_odors.html

For full time liveaboard we use a qt a mo in each

On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 18:16:17 -0800, sded wrote:

It's amazing how much good a gallon of vinegar a year does for each head.
Peggie Hall wrote:

sded wrote:
I have two Groco HF heads that have seen nearly 17 years of use. I looked into
other heads, but finally just did a complete pump replacement for the HFs. They
have worked well, only needing a rebuild every year or two. Have you checked
your discharge lines for clogging?

He didn't mention what kinds of problems he's having with Groco...but
it's amazing how many repairs wouldn't be necessary if there was any
preventive maintenance done. But preventive maintenance is something
that never occurs to most boat owners...they assume that because
household toilets don't need any, marine toilets don't either. So the
toilet works fine for about year or two--till it needs some...after
that, it's never-ending battle to fix what breaks but didn't have to.
And, of course, it's always because the toilet is a "piece of junk."

Peggie
----------
Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://www.seaworthy.com/html/get_ri...oat_odors.html

For full time liveaboard we use a qt a mo in each

On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 18:16:17 -0800, sded wrote:

It's amazing how much good a gallon of vinegar a year does for each head.
Peggie Hall wrote:

sded wrote:
I have two Groco HF heads that have seen nearly 17 years of use. I looked into
other heads, but finally just did a complete pump replacement for the HFs. They
have worked well, only needing a rebuild every year or two. Have you checked
your discharge lines for clogging?

He didn't mention what kinds of problems he's having with Groco...but
it's amazing how many repairs wouldn't be necessary if there was any
preventive maintenance done. But preventive maintenance is something
that never occurs to most boat owners...they assume that because
household toilets don't need any, marine toilets don't either. So the
toilet works fine for about year or two--till it needs some...after
that, it's never-ending battle to fix what breaks but didn't have to.
And, of course, it's always because the toilet is a "piece of junk."

Peggie
----------
Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://www.seaworthy.com/html/get_ri...oat_odors.html

sded wrote:
It's amazing how much good a gallon of vinegar a year does for each head.

A cupful flushed down it once a week is all it takes to prevent mineral
buildup in the hoses. Also helps to retard odor permeation in hoses.
Adding more than that at a time is just a waste of vinegar...it just
gets flushed all the way through the system into the tank or overboard.
And less often than once a week isn't often to prevent buildup, though
it does dissolve at least some of it.

Peggie
----------
Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://www.seaworthy.com/html/get_ri...oat_odors.html

sded wrote:
It's amazing how much good a gallon of vinegar a year does for each head.

A cupful flushed down it once a week is all it takes to prevent mineral
buildup in the hoses. Also helps to retard odor permeation in hoses.
Adding more than that at a time is just a waste of vinegar...it just
gets flushed all the way through the system into the tank or overboard.
And less often than once a week isn't often to prevent buildup, though
it does dissolve at least some of it.

Peggie
----------
Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://www.seaworthy.com/html/get_ri...oat_odors.html

Peggy,

What preventive maintenance do you typically recommend?

I'm also using the Groco HF. Every time I'm through using it for several
days (e.g., at the end of a trip), I flush it thoroughly with fresh water
and run some head lube in it. What else do you recommend to avoid problems?

Thanks,
Alan

"Peggie Hall" wrote in message
...
sded wrote:
I have two Groco HF heads that have seen nearly 17 years of use. I
looked into
other heads, but finally just did a complete pump replacement for the
HFs. They
have worked well, only needing a rebuild every year or two. Have you
checked
your discharge lines for clogging?

He didn't mention what kinds of problems he's having with Groco...but
it's amazing how many repairs wouldn't be necessary if there was any
preventive maintenance done. But preventive maintenance is something
that never occurs to most boat owners...they assume that because
household toilets don't need any, marine toilets don't either. So the
toilet works fine for about year or two--till it needs some...after
that, it's never-ending battle to fix what breaks but didn't have to.
And, of course, it's always because the toilet is a "piece of junk."

Peggie
----------
Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://www.seaworthy.com/html/get_ri...oat_odors.html