Peter wrote:
You're missing the entire point of newsgroups. They're text &
asynchronous. I like it that way. I also never use any of the instant
messenger type programs. No way in hell would I ever bother with an
instant chat type system on the net.
PDW




Ouch!

Dont forget there are other people in this world too.

For me Skype Talk and its web based digital voice mail is a very useful
tool Ill use to help pay for my morning coffee while sitting in Hilo. I
tried K7 and a couple other programs but Skype is cheep, simple, and
works.

try this.............. your elbo deep in you engine. posted a couple
jpg and now some guy is talking you through your problem. Why is
conference talk useful? Its way faster than posting messages here,
waiting a day or two for info. Simply put insant feedback from a group.
Although I guess ya could use a cell phone too. It aint just a usless
hen party gab fest. But for thoes who dont need that tool, so be it.

AKA Bob

Bob wrote:
Peter wrote:
You're missing the entire point of newsgroups. They're text &
asynchronous. I like it that way. I also never use any of the instant
messenger type programs. No way in hell would I ever bother with an
instant chat type system on the net.
PDW




Ouch!

Dont forget there are other people in this world too.

For me Skype Talk and its web based digital voice mail is a very useful
tool Ill use to help pay for my morning coffee while sitting in Hilo. I
tried K7 and a couple other programs but Skype is cheep, simple, and
works.

try this.............. your elbo deep in you engine. posted a couple
jpg and now some guy is talking you through your problem. Why is
conference talk useful? Its way faster than posting messages here,
waiting a day or two for info. Simply put insant feedback from a group.
Although I guess ya could use a cell phone too. It aint just a usless
hen party gab fest. But for thoes who dont need that tool, so be it.

Look, I don't have any probs with any of that. Just Larry was touting
this as a superior thing to n/gs. It isn't. For starters, people have
to be in a reasonably similar timezone for it to be effective. The net
is global. For another, you can search archives for useful information
with n/gs. That isn't going to happen any time soon (if at all) with
chat.

I see it as a fringe element enhancement to communications. Now I've
got satellite broadband I expect I'll get a Skype account, but I can't
see it being a substitute for n/gs and email. I like the asynchronicity
and not having to reply/answer RIGHT NOW when I'm in the middle of
machining something. Hell, I turn my cellphone off the moment I get on
the boat so people can't ring me up, and only turn it back on if I want
to gloat....

PDW

Peter wrote:
Look, I don't have any probs with any of that. Just Larry was touting
this as a superior thing to n/gs. It isn't.

Well, like most new found things its the the old "Yreka!" response.
Enthusastice responce or something like that.

For starters, people have
to be in a reasonably similar timezone for it to be effective. The net
is global.

Gotta agree there.

For another, you can search archives for useful information
with n/gs. That isn't going to happen any time soon (if at all) with
chat.

Absolutly! One of the things that ruffle my feathers is someone who
posts here and asks a question that was described in detail, debated,
and later agreed by obviously some way smater people than me. All that
new poster need do is a quick check of the amazing amount of extreamly
detailed info found here and electronics & building.



I see it as a fringe element enhancement to communications.

Car phones were fringe. I remember in the late 70s when I saw one and
then with Miami Vice hit it big.................. car phones and
disco....................... ugh! But now I take a phone smaller than a
size of Camels to the boat and like you, (lie) and turn it off and tell
my wife that I can not get good reception in the marina.

Now I've
got satellite broadband

Way cool ! Is it one of those seagoing type or a DishTV thing?

I expect I'll get a Skype account, but I can't
see it being a substitute for n/gs and email.

Agreed. Skype does a very few things very well.

I like the asynchronicity
and not having to reply/answer RIGHT NOW when I'm in the middle of
machining something.

So you are a machinest? Boy do I have a few questions for you. My skill
level limits me to a file, hacksaw blade, and a drill. Kinda stoneage


Hell, I turn my cellphone off the moment I get on
the boat so people can't ring me up, and only turn it back on if I want
to gloat....

You are not alone on that I suspect.

My last comment is dont throw the baby out when ya empty that
galvanized wash tub.

My wish list is for some cheep highseas broadband. Maybe in 10 years???

AKA Bob


PDW

Bob wrote:
Peter wrote:
Now I've
got satellite broadband

Way cool ! Is it one of those seagoing type or a DishTV thing?

It's a 1.2m dish on my workshop roof and I can get all the bandwidth I
want to pay for :-(

So you are a machinest? Boy do I have a few questions for you. My skill
level limits me to a file, hacksaw blade, and a drill. Kinda stoneage

Yeah, I have a pretty comprehensive machine shop at home. Ask away or
copy it to my hotmail addy. I check it every week or so.
Rec.crafts.metalworking is a good place to ask machinist type
questions, lotta good people hang out there. The S/N ratio can get a
bit average but a couple filters killing the OT postings makes a
difference.

My wish list is for some cheep highseas broadband. Maybe in 10 years???

One could hope, but there goes the excuse of being out of range. I'm
not sure, on balance, that this is a good thing. I have INMARSAT B,
Iridium & a Fleet77 comms system on my work ship which means that the
office people can track you down anywhere on the planet, and they
*know* you gotta be aboard, so there's no way of avoiding the call.

Think carefully about what you wish for. You might get it.

PDW

"Bob" wrote in news:1164069575.559329.317190
@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com:

try this.............. your elbo deep in you engine. posted a couple
jpg and now some guy is talking you through your problem. Why is
conference talk useful? Its way faster than posting messages here,
waiting a day or two for info. Simply put insant feedback from a group.
Although I guess ya could use a cell phone too. It aint just a usless
hen party gab fest. But for thoes who dont need that tool, so be it.

A

I have a Russian friend, who is the ISP for his little town....

He called me on Skype to ask what I knew of Russian televisions with
tubes in them. I'm an old electronics technician. He said he had the
schematic and sent a large jpg of it through Skype's file transfer. He
had a rudementary analog multimeter and knew how to use it and already
had the TV apart when he called, confused at its circuits.

Within 20 minutes on Skype, he and I, across the planet from each other,
had found the arcing disc capacitor in his horizontal output amplifier.
He called me back after procuring what I thought would be a suitable
replacement from a ham radio operator he knew to say the picture was the
best he'd ever seen it.....now that the picture tube had all its high
voltage the way it was supposed to be....(c;

Skype is fantastic for such things. You can talk for some things, text
or copy/paste URLs and other non-voice-transferrable items better sent
through a text system and send and receive any files. The cruising
applications anywhere wifi is popping up because of yachties demanding it
makes it a real asset to have aboard...

Skip and I sorted out his M802 just this morning. He called me on Skype,
but I was still asleep so Skype forwarded my call to my cellphone. I
made a few suggestions, then called him back after I could see my
fingers, in focus, and sent him the URL of a webpage with the info he
needed. We chat often on Skype, but when you're able to solve a problem
in realtime with live communications...even if it weren't free...it's
invaluable.

Larry
--
Halloween candy sure has dropped in price, lately!

try this.............. your elbo deep in you engine. posted a couple
jpg and now some guy is talking you through your problem. Why is
conference talk useful? Its way faster than posting messages here,
waiting a day or two for info. Simply put insant feedback from a group.

Assuming there's a group (or person) ready and waiting to talk. And an even
bigger assumption about their actually being CORRECT. Instant feedback from
idiots isn't my idea of progress... Of course delayed feedback from idiots
isnt' any better but usenet is what it is... At least there's a chance that
eventually someone with a clue and willingness to communicate it will come
across the thread. For most things I'd much rather have the on-going value
of a thread than an ephemeral voice conversation that's disappeared the
instant it's heard.

It's not about ONE style versus another. There's room for many different
styles of communication.

But then this is nothing new, things like IRC and IM also overlap
newsgroups, mailing lists and the like.

"Bill Kearney" wrote in
news
Of course delayed feedback from idiots
isnt' any better but usenet is what it is..

Knowing that, I don't know why you would want to talk to any of us idiots,
at all. Why not crawl back under that rock?

Larry
--
Guess what I want to do with the Little Drummer Boy's drum
by Christmas Eve....rrrrump..pa-pum...pum...up his bum....

"Larry" wrote in message
...
Of course delayed feedback from idiots
isnt' any better but usenet is what it is..

Knowing that, I don't know why you would want to talk to any of us idiots,
at all. Why not crawl back under that rock?

And with that response, I rest my case.