hunter 34
 

ok folks this is not a troll and i don't want to start a flame war.
I am getting closer to buying the boat that look like it is going to
suit me. About me a little, i am one of those lucky sod's that can fix
almost any thing and often with a pair of pliers and a bit of wire.
After managing a autowrecking yard for over 8 years i have got the gist
of most things mechanical and painting wise...on the other hand my
timber work is a bit shy.
What i am looking for is REAL not percieved or imagined faults with the
hunter 34 1980 to 1987 type, deep keel tall rig. 80% of my sailing will
be offshore coastal along the Western Australian coast.
I started sailing at about 10 on windrush 12's up to 14's
then a 24 ft blue bird sloop "allegedly a early vanderstat design"
then to a RL24 ( http://www.rlyachts.net/index24.asp )
now at 40 + i am moving up a little...now keep in mind i work at fixing
things so my boat WILL have repairs of some sort.
i have been lurking around here for quite some time now and almost think
its not worth the hassle...but sombody throws up a gem of a tit bit and
i think its worth it again.
yes i have been to hunter.com.ect and almost anywhere i can find a
mention of hunters........sheesh theres lots out there.
Thanking you all
Shaun
P.S
i never said i could spell nor punctuate :-)

hunter 34
 

Shaun,
I am in the process of buying a 1981 37 foot hunter cutter rigged but it has
a shoal keel, don't know much about sail boats yet have only ever had power
boats before. I was told that the early 80's cherubini design are excellent
quality and design boats, plus the price I'm paying for it at $25,000.00
with all the accessory's the current seller has added to make it a more live
aboard comfortable and blue water friendly i don't think I can wrong with
it. I had the boat surveyed and my surveyor told me the boat and all the
extra's included make a real good deal and I shouldn't have any problems
other then a few minor things but that's to be expected He siad he would
feel comfortable and safe going to the carribean in it as it sits now so I
think I'm gonna be ok with it. I have heard that the later 80's models had
some problems so You might want to consider only looking at the early 80's
models.
"shaun" wrote in message
...
ok folks this is not a troll and i don't want to start a flame war.
I am getting closer to buying the boat that look like it is going to suit
me. About me a little, i am one of those lucky sod's that can fix almost
any thing and often with a pair of pliers and a bit of wire.
After managing a autowrecking yard for over 8 years i have got the gist of
most things mechanical and painting wise...on the other hand my timber
work is a bit shy.
What i am looking for is REAL not percieved or imagined faults with the
hunter 34 1980 to 1987 type, deep keel tall rig. 80% of my sailing will be
offshore coastal along the Western Australian coast.
I started sailing at about 10 on windrush 12's up to 14's
then a 24 ft blue bird sloop "allegedly a early vanderstat design"
then to a RL24 ( http://www.rlyachts.net/index24.asp )
now at 40 + i am moving up a little...now keep in mind i work at fixing
things so my boat WILL have repairs of some sort.
i have been lurking around here for quite some time now and almost think
its not worth the hassle...but sombody throws up a gem of a tit bit and i
think its worth it again.
yes i have been to hunter.com.ect and almost anywhere i can find a mention
of hunters........sheesh theres lots out there.
Thanking you all
Shaun
P.S
i never said i could spell nor punctuate :-)

hunter 34
 

Chi Chi wrote:
Same thought as me..nice looking boat check the mast step inside tho..
i like the style of the 34 more tho....it is still swings andround
abouts tho
Shaun
Shaun,
I am in the process of buying a 1981 37 foot hunter cutter rigged but it has
a shoal keel, don't know much about sail boats yet have only ever had power
boats before. I was told that the early 80's cherubini design are excellent
quality and design boats, plus the price I'm paying for it at $25,000.00
with all the accessory's the current seller has added to make it a more live
aboard comfortable and blue water friendly i don't think I can wrong with
it. I had the boat surveyed and my surveyor told me the boat and all the
extra's included make a real good deal and I shouldn't have any problems
other then a few minor things but that's to be expected He siad he would
feel comfortable and safe going to the carribean in it as it sits now so I
think I'm gonna be ok with it. I have heard that the later 80's models had
some problems so You might want to consider only looking at the early 80's
models.
"shaun" wrote in message
...

ok folks this is not a troll and i don't want to start a flame war.
I am getting closer to buying the boat that look like it is going to suit
me. About me a little, i am one of those lucky sod's that can fix almost
any thing and often with a pair of pliers and a bit of wire.
After managing a autowrecking yard for over 8 years i have got the gist of
most things mechanical and painting wise...on the other hand my timber
work is a bit shy.
What i am looking for is REAL not percieved or imagined faults with the
hunter 34 1980 to 1987 type, deep keel tall rig. 80% of my sailing will be
offshore coastal along the Western Australian coast.
I started sailing at about 10 on windrush 12's up to 14's
then a 24 ft blue bird sloop "allegedly a early vanderstat design"
then to a RL24 ( http://www.rlyachts.net/index24.asp )
now at 40 + i am moving up a little...now keep in mind i work at fixing
things so my boat WILL have repairs of some sort.
i have been lurking around here for quite some time now and almost think
its not worth the hassle...but sombody throws up a gem of a tit bit and i
think its worth it again.
yes i have been to hunter.com.ect and almost anywhere i can find a mention
of hunters........sheesh theres lots out there.
Thanking you all
Shaun
P.S
i never said i could spell nor punctuate :-)

hunter 34
 

What, exactly, is ''blue water friendly'' ?

SBV


"Chi Chi" wrote in message
t...
Shaun,
I am in the process of buying a 1981 37 foot hunter cutter
rigged but it has
a shoal keel, don't know much about sail boats yet have
only ever had power
boats before. I was told that the early 80's cherubini
design are excellent
quality and design boats, plus the price I'm paying for it
at $25,000.00
with all the accessory's the current seller has added to
make it a more live
aboard comfortable and blue water friendly i don't think I
can wrong with
it. I had the boat surveyed and my surveyor told me the
boat and all the
extra's included make a real good deal and I shouldn't
have any problems
other then a few minor things but that's to be expected He
siad he would
feel comfortable and safe going to the carribean in it as
it sits now so I
think I'm gonna be ok with it. I have heard that the later
80's models had
some problems so You might want to consider only looking
at the early 80's
models.

hunter 34
 

Hi, Shaun....

I had the chance to sail one of these (1984 model) when I brokered it a
few years ago. I found it pretty well built and felt it was actually
nicer than the Catalina's I've sailed. I also thought it sailed a bit
better than the 1987 Catalina 34 I've sailed. With a good survey and
some work she would probably serve you well.
I expect you've already read all the owner reviews, but joining the
Hunter list is probably a good idea as well.

Good luck,


Robert
35s5
NY

hunter 34
 

Scotty wrote:
What, exactly, is ''blue water friendly'' ?

SBV


"Chi Chi" wrote in message
t...
Shaun,
I am in the process of buying a 1981 37 foot hunter cutter
rigged but it has
a shoal keel, don't know much about sail boats yet have
only ever had power
boats before. I was told that the early 80's cherubini
design are excellent
quality and design boats, plus the price I'm paying for it
at $25,000.00
with all the accessory's the current seller has added to
make it a more live
aboard comfortable and blue water friendly i don't think I
can wrong with
it. I had the boat surveyed and my surveyor told me the
boat and all the
extra's included make a real good deal and I shouldn't
have any problems
other then a few minor things but that's to be expected He
siad he would
feel comfortable and safe going to the carribean in it as
it sits now so I
think I'm gonna be ok with it. I have heard that the later
80's models had
some problems so You might want to consider only looking
at the early 80's
models.



go to http://www.image-ination.com/sailcalc.html and you'll see the
motion comfort is low compared to similar sized boats and the roll over
ratio isn't the best.
G

hunter 34
 

go to http://www.image-ination.com/sailcalc.html and you'll see the
motion comfort is low compared to similar sized boats and the roll over

ratio isn't the best.



But then there are J-Boats with even lower comfort/capsize ratios that
are taken offshore with great success. True, the H34 is no full keel
heavy displacement boat, but it's also faster in many situations and
has it's own strengths. There are some folks who have no problem with
the idea of taking a J30 on a long voyage...and others who wouldn't
think of it in anything less than an Alberg 30. Two very different
boats and the J is certainly missing the numbers associated with long
range cruising.
In the end it's up to the sailor.


Robert
35s5
NY

hunter 34
 

In article
,
shaun wrote:

What i am looking for is REAL not percieved or imagined faults with the
hunter 34 1980 to 1987 type, deep keel tall rig. 80% of my sailing will
be offshore coastal along the Western Australian coast.

Friends had an about '82 34, I believe Cherubini, and by about 96, they
had some serious work to do, including structural bulkhead(s). Boat's
still at the marina, but our friends dumped out of the partnership and I
don't see the boat away from the dock much.

Sweet interior, though. Was the only boat under about 40' that we
thought would be a real step up from our Xan.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD)
Xan's Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html

hunter 34
 

Scotty wrote:

What, exactly, is ''blue water friendly'' ?

SBV

I never mentioned BLUE WATER friendly.....as i said no flames please
and by the way blue water friendly means to me at least a boat that does
not get green over the coach roof in 10 or 12 foot sea's.spray water
runoff and the odd foamer down the deck yes but not green water.

Gordon ! after sailing a rl24 for 3 years in many differant sea's (ocean
and sheltered ) i will think the 34 will seem like a rock to me :-)
32deg 00min 29.56 sec south
115deg 39min 58.66sec east is my play ground

"Chi Chi" wrote in message
t...

Shaun,
I am in the process of buying a 1981 37 foot hunter cutter

rigged but it has

a shoal keel, don't know much about sail boats yet have

only ever had power

boats before. I was told that the early 80's cherubini

design are excellent

quality and design boats, plus the price I'm paying for it

at $25,000.00

with all the accessory's the current seller has added to

make it a more live

aboard comfortable and blue water friendly i don't think I

can wrong with

it. I had the boat surveyed and my surveyor told me the

boat and all the

extra's included make a real good deal and I shouldn't

have any problems

other then a few minor things but that's to be expected He

siad he would

feel comfortable and safe going to the carribean in it as

it sits now so I

think I'm gonna be ok with it. I have heard that the later

80's models had

some problems so You might want to consider only looking

at the early 80's

models.

hunter 34
 

Jere Lull wrote:

In article
,
shaun wrote:


What i am looking for is REAL not percieved or imagined faults with the
hunter 34 1980 to 1987 type, deep keel tall rig. 80% of my sailing will
be offshore coastal along the Western Australian coast.


Friends had an about '82 34, I believe Cherubini, and by about 96, they
had some serious work to do, including structural bulkhead(s). Boat's
still at the marina, but our friends dumped out of the partnership and I
don't see the boat away from the dock much.

Sweet interior, though. Was the only boat under about 40' that we
thought would be a real step up from our Xan.

hi ya Jere have read about your freighter :-)
glad to see that you have found your boat and hope you enjoy her for
many more miles.
Any new updates since about 2 years ago...that was about the first time
i read about your XAN

hunter 34
 

"shaun" wrote in message
...
Scotty wrote:

[snipped]


32deg 00min 29.56 sec south
115deg 39min 58.66sec east is my play ground


right in the middle between Leighton and Rotto.

Have you got a mooring organised for Rotto or going in the ballot?

Good luck in the search!

Hoges in WA

[snipped]

hunter 34
 

Hoges in WA wrote:
"shaun" wrote in message
...

Scotty wrote:


[snipped]



32deg 00min 29.56 sec south
115deg 39min 58.66sec east is my play ground



right in the middle between Leighton and Rotto.

Have you got a mooring organised for Rotto or going in the ballot?

Good luck in the search!

Hoges in WA

[snipped]


I tend to keep away during the peak season and never come in b4 7pm
anyhow and due to that allways find a empty public mooring and i am off
the mooring by 6 am. In 12 years of sailing around rotto never been
asked to move on as there is always plenty of empty moorings about.....
very lucky i s'pose
Apart from deck fluff i never like summer at rotto anyhow
Shaun

hunter 34
 

"shaun" wrote in message
...
Hoges in WA wrote:
"shaun" wrote in message
...

Scotty wrote:


[snipped]



32deg 00min 29.56 sec south
115deg 39min 58.66sec east is my play ground



right in the middle between Leighton and Rotto.

Have you got a mooring organised for Rotto or going in the ballot?

Good luck in the search!

Hoges in WA

[snipped]
I tend to keep away during the peak season and never come in b4 7pm anyhow
and due to that allways find a empty public mooring and i am off the
mooring by 6 am. In 12 years of sailing around rotto never been asked to
move on as there is always plenty of empty moorings about.....
very lucky i s'pose
Apart from deck fluff i never like summer at rotto anyhow
Shaun


Sounds like good management rather than good luck. What about north-er like
Abrolhos, Monte Bellos etc?

Hoges in WA

hunter 34
 

Scotty wrote:

What, exactly, is ''blue water friendly'' ?


shaun wrote:
I never mentioned BLUE WATER friendly.....as i said no flames please
and by the way blue water friendly means to me at least a boat that does
not get green over the coach roof in 10 or 12 foot sea's.spray water
runoff and the odd foamer down the deck yes but not green water.


Well, the H-34 (you mean this one?)
http://www.sailboatowners.com/boats/...30&fno=0&bts=T
has plenty of reserve bouyancy, I expect you'd be
complaining more about the bouncy wet ride than green water
over the deck.

Hunters seem to concentrate on roominess rather than any
other particular aspect, the H34 is *palatial* inside
compared to almost anything else in that size/age/price
range. And they aren't slow pokey sailers, either.

The biggest problems Hunters (the American ones, I mean)
have is that they are somewhat underbuilt and often have
systems problems. The most common complaint I've heard from
guys who have cruised them hard is that the steering breaks
down.

BTW Hunter has always been a low-priced mass-produced boat.
So people who say 'The old ones are better built' or some
variation on the theme, 'The late '80s models started having
QA problems' etc etc are probably reflecting anecdotal
evidence rather than serious decision-influencing data. A
close personal inspection of the individual boat in question
is the only way to tell what it's built like, or more
importantly what it's maintenance has been.

Hope this helps.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

hunter 34
 

BTW Hunter has always been a low-priced mass-produced boat.
So people who say 'The old ones are better built' or some
variation on the theme, 'The late '80s models started having
QA problems' etc etc are probably reflecting anecdotal
evidence rather than serious decision-influencing data.



Our full service yard on City Island has done many many repairs on
Hunters, often insurance work and on occasion, some waranty work. We
have no doubt at all that models from the early to mid 80's held up
better than models in the 90's, at least in our NY climate.
Quite recently we have several new Hunter boats operating via charter
with us and they appear to be far better built. Talking to full service
yards and surveyors will give some general indication of problems you
might face. A yard like ours, which does not carry a new line of boats
is likely to be more honest about repair history.


Robert
35s5
NY

hunter 34
 

"Capt" Rob wrote:
.... Talking to full service
yards and surveyors will give some general indication of problems you
might face. A yard like ours, which does not carry a new line of boats
is likely to be more honest about repair history.


That would be good advice, as long one avoids pretend
"surveyors" and internet-fantasy boatyards. There is no
substitute for checking things out in person.

DSK

hunter 34
 

That would be good advice, as long one avoids pretend
"surveyors" and internet-fantasy boatyards.



Sorry about Doug, folks. He continues to be a troll. BTW, he has no
sailboat. The yard he insists doesn't exist can be seen here for
example....on my webpage:

http://hometown.aol.com/bobsprit/page1.html

I sell sailboats for them and my friend runs the service dept. Previous
to that Anthony Serling handled some warranty work for Hunter in the
mid 90's, including the oil-canning problems that were solved with SS
bars...also done at our yard.
But those problems of the 90's have no bearing on the 80's boats which
are far less prone to deck problems for example. I recently sold a
Hunter 43 which was very well maintained, yet was showing wear at a
higher than acceptable rate.
Please keep in mind that my observations and those of our service dept.
is generally with boats in this area, with all due consideration to our
weather. Boats in different areas will wear differently of course. For
our area boats with severe delamination issue rep's a
Irwin, Catalina, Ericson, and later Hunters.
BTW, in spite of what poor DSK says if anyone in my area needs storage,
slips, service, sails and canvas...contact me to avoid higher prices.
We are the best yard in the area...and I keep my boats there as well.
It's a truly honestly run place and they look out for your investment.
Again, I apologize for DSK. He can't seem to understand that this is
not ASA.


Robert
35s5
NY

hunter 34
 

"shaun" wrote in message

t.au...
Scotty wrote:

What, exactly, is ''blue water friendly'' ?

SBV

I never mentioned BLUE WATER friendly.....

Didn't say that *you* did.

Chi Chi did. But thanks for the answer.

SBV

hunter 34
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com..
..

That would be good advice, as long one avoids pretend
"surveyors" and internet-fantasy boatyards.



Sorry about Doug, folks. he has no
sailboat.

Your point being?

hunter 34
 

sailboat.

Your point being?



The point is that this is not ASA. How about some respect for the folks
here who actually own and sail their boats?
If you want to chase me around the web and troll, you're wasting your
time. I'm sure everyone is waiting for your group info on problems with
Somerset and UK lofts.
Grow up.



Robert
35s5
NY

hunter 34
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com..
..
sailboat.

Your point being?



The point is that this is not ASA. How about some respect
for the folks
here who actually own and sail their boats?
If you want to chase me around the web and troll, you're
wasting your
time. I'm sure everyone is waiting for your group info on
problems with
Somerset and UK lofts.


And what has this to do with weather DSK owns a sailboat or
not?





Grow up.

You sound like a 4 YO.

SBV

hunter 34
 

And what has this to do with weather DSK owns a sailboat or
not?


Buh bye, Scotty. Keep on trolling. Maybe someone will care. Probably
DSK will.



Robert
35s5
NY

hunter 34
 

Others have given you lots to think about. I agree that Hunter is a
"price-point" boat. That's partly why I bought one. Last year, she
survived Katrina and Rita in New Orleans, then Wilma in Key West. In
between, she took us safely across the Gulf of Mexico in some of the
worst weather I've been in, in 40-plus years of sailing.

And as others have said, the interior is very user-friendly. My kids
preferred it to a C&C39 we also looked at, which had been my first
choice for our purchase.

FYI FWIW YMMV,

Frank
S/V Zombie Princess of New Orleans, 1984 Hunter 34

hunter 34
 

Can't you just answer the question?


"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com..
..

And what has this to do with weather DSK owns a sailboat
or
not?


Buh bye, Scotty. Keep on trolling. Maybe someone will
care. Probably
DSK will.



Robert
35s5
NY

hunter 34
 

"Capt. Rob" spammed

That would be good advice, as long one avoids pretend
"surveyors" and internet-fantasy boatyards.



Sorry about Doug, folks. He continues to be a troll. BTW,
he has no
sailboat. The yard he insists doesn't exist can be seen
here for
example....on my webpage:

http://hometown.aol.com/boobsprit/paige1.html

I sell sailboats for them



Always trust the word of a used boat salesman.

hunter 34
 

"Capt" Rob wrote
Sorry about Doug, folks. He continues to be a troll. BTW,
he has no sailboat. The yard he insists doesn't exist can be seen
here for
example....on my webpage:

http://hometown.aol.com/boobsprit/paige1.html

I sell sailboats for them


Without a broker's license

Scotty wrote:
Always trust the word of a used boat salesman.


Especially one who calls himself "Captain" when he isn't
one, and who says he does "surveys" that he's not qualified
to perform.

DSK

hunter 34
 

I may sound a little stupid but "what is a broker's licence and what to you
gain by dealing with a broker"
Why are they using this disclaimer"
Disclaimer
The Company offers the details of this vessel in good faith but cannot
guarantee or warrant the accuracy of this information nor warrant the
condition of the vessel. A buyer should instruct his agents, or his
surveyors, to investigate such details as the buyer desires validated. This
vessel is offered subject to prior sale, price change, or withdrawal without
notice.
The broker get approx 10% plus in commission doing what?






"DSK" wrote in message
...
"Capt" Rob wrote
Sorry about Doug, folks. He continues to be a troll. BTW,
he has no sailboat. The yard he insists doesn't exist can be seen
here for
example....on my webpage:

http://hometown.aol.com/boobsprit/paige1.html

I sell sailboats for them


Without a broker's license

Scotty wrote:
Always trust the word of a used boat salesman.


Especially one who calls himself "Captain" when he isn't one, and who says
he does "surveys" that he's not qualified to perform.

DSK

hunter 34
 

Last year one of my friend purchased a sailboat through a broker.
He was given a list of the equipment included in the purchase price of the
sailboat. A contract was drafted with the equipment list.
When he took possession of the sailboat some equipment was missing.
He went to the broker and informed him of the missing items from the
contractual equipment listing.
At first the broker denied the existence of the list and informed him that
it was the buyer's responsibility to ascertain that all the promised
equipment was delivered with the sailboat.

wrote in message
...
I may sound a little stupid but "what is a broker's licence and what to you
gain by dealing with a broker"
Why are they using this disclaimer"
Disclaimer
The Company offers the details of this vessel in good faith but cannot
guarantee or warrant the accuracy of this information nor warrant the
condition of the vessel. A buyer should instruct his agents, or his
surveyors, to investigate such details as the buyer desires validated.
This vessel is offered subject to prior sale, price change, or withdrawal
without notice.
The broker get approx 10% plus in commission doing what?






"DSK" wrote in message
...
"Capt" Rob wrote
Sorry about Doug, folks. He continues to be a troll. BTW,
he has no sailboat. The yard he insists doesn't exist can be seen
here for
example....on my webpage:

http://hometown.aol.com/boobsprit/paige1.html

I sell sailboats for them


Without a broker's license

Scotty wrote:
Always trust the word of a used boat salesman.


Especially one who calls himself "Captain" when he isn't one, and who
says he does "surveys" that he's not qualified to perform.

DSK

hunter 34
 

Did he get the missing equipment, or compensation?
At least with a *real* (licensed) broker you have
recourse, as opposed to someone who just decides one day to
call himself a broker.

SBV


wrote in message
...
Last year one of my friend purchased a sailboat through a
broker.
He was given a list of the equipment included in the
purchase price of the
sailboat. A contract was drafted with the equipment list.
When he took possession of the sailboat some equipment was
missing.
He went to the broker and informed him of the missing
items from the
contractual equipment listing.
At first the broker denied the existence of the list and
informed him that
it was the buyer's responsibility to ascertain that all
the promised
equipment was delivered with the sailboat.

wrote in message
...
I may sound a little stupid but "what is a broker's
licence and what to you
gain by dealing with a broker"
Why are they using this disclaimer"
Disclaimer
The Company offers the details of this vessel in good
faith but cannot
guarantee or warrant the accuracy of this information
nor warrant the
condition of the vessel. A buyer should instruct his
agents, or his
surveyors, to investigate such details as the buyer
desires validated.
This vessel is offered subject to prior sale, price
change, or withdrawal
without notice.
The broker get approx 10% plus in commission doing what?






"DSK" wrote in message
...
"Capt" Rob wrote
Sorry about Doug, folks. He continues to be a troll.
BTW,
he has no sailboat. The yard he insists doesn't exist
can be seen
here for
example....on my webpage:

http://hometown.aol.com/boobsprit/paige1.html

I sell sailboats for them


Without a broker's license

Scotty wrote:
Always trust the word of a used boat salesman.


Especially one who calls himself "Captain" when he
isn't one, and who
says he does "surveys" that he's not qualified to
perform.

DSK

hunter 34
 

Without a broker's license



Once again, DSK allows everyone to see his ignorance and Scotty is
along for the ride. If I show a boat for the brokerage I am covered by
the brokerage license, which is on the wall when you walk in the
office. No one there has their own license. Next try Coney's and see
how many of those salespeople have a license. Coney's has the license
and that's the only one that matters if you have a problem. Every boat
I have listed currently is on yachtworld and is under the brokerage
license.
So DSK gets it wrong for the 234th time. (Don't forget the J29 that you
said can't have a bulb on the keel, Doug. She gets hauled next week.)
Furthermore, after selling a Catalina 36 last week, the contract
clearly lists the gear included and we are OBLIGATED to make good on
that whether the boat is ours or not. Any broker who doesn't obey that
is pretty bad. Mistakes happen and sometimes we have to make good on
missing gear. That recently happened when a handheld VHF vanished from
a Irwin 37 we sold. I ran out and replaced it for the buyer.
Sea trial for the Catalina 36 is next Wednesday. I hope it's nice out!


Robert
35s5
NY

hunter 34
 

"Troll Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...

Without a broker's license



Once again, DSK allows everyone to see his ignorance and
Scotty is
along for the ride. snip rst of troll.....


if it smells like a troll....

if it walks like a troll.....

if it talks like a troll........

hunter 34... broker
 

said:
At first the broker denied the existence of the list and informed him that
it was the buyer's responsibility to ascertain that all the promised
equipment was delivered with the sailboat.



Dave wrote:
The broker was, of course, right. He's getting paid to bring the parties
together, not to guaranty either what the seller says about the boat or that
the buyer will actually pay the agreed price.


OTOH there is in fact such a thing as misrepresentation, bad
faith, and fraud.

If you think it's perfectly OK to sell somebody a boat, hand
over a list of equipment to be included, make a contract on
that basis, and then break the contract, I suggest you don't
really have any business doing business.


But as a matter of customer relations most will try to help the buyer and
seller resolve such disputes if they arise.

Also as a matter of keeping their business license.

Fraud is illegal in all 50 states. So is breaking a contract.

It's also possible that the broker in the OP's situation
described above was just plain stupid. They're not all
rocket surgeons. Most are in the business because they
really really like boats.

DSK

hunter 34... broker
 

hunter 34... broker
 

The seller gets his boat advertised widely and represented
favorably to a larger number of buyers than he could do
himself. The buyer gets to choose from a wider range of
boats than he could otherwise, and (in theory) has a
professional supervising the transfer of ownership so that
neither party gets robbed.




This is a very uneducated summation of what a broker can do. Better
brokers, like the ones found here, can also have a full service
facility. For the most part I think it's best to deal with full service
yard/brokers when possible. Here are some of the advantages of dealing
with us:

1) Large selection
2) Extended warranty on some new boats and engines.
3) Quick modifications of a vessel worked into a deal
4) FREE sea trial of every boat we sell.
5) Easy handling of red tape for documentation and
registration/insurance.
6) Someone to turn to if you have a problem after the deal is done.
7) Better pricing in some situations where mods and repairs are
required.

If your broker can't do this or most of this, you might as well buy
privately if you can. My guess is that DSK thinks a full service broker
works on 10% as well.


Robert
35s5
NY

hunter 34... broker
 

" Rob" wrote in message
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4) FREE sea trial of every boat we sell.

other brokers charge for this?

SBV

hunter 34... broker
 

"Capt" Rob wrote:
This is a very uneducated summation of what a broker can do. Better
brokers, like the ones found here

Found where? Spamming this usenet news group?


... Here are some of the advantages of dealing
with us:

1) Large selection
2) Extended warranty on some new boats and engines.
3) Quick modifications of a vessel worked into a deal
4) FREE sea trial of every boat we sell.
5) Easy handling of red tape for documentation and
registration/insurance.
6) Someone to turn to if you have a problem after the deal is done.
7) Better pricing in some situations where mods and repairs are
required.

If your broker can't do this or most of this, you might as well buy
privately if you can.

And you back this up with what, your surveyor's accredation
and your broker's license? Or your claim to the title "Captain"?

DSK

hunter 34... broker
 

"DSK" wrote in message
. ..
"Capt" Rob wrote:


7) Better pricing in some situations

So, worse pricing in other situations?


SBV

hunter 34
 

"Capt" Rob said:
the contract
clearly lists the gear included and we are OBLIGATED to make good on
that whether the boat is ours or not.


Dave wrote:
What is the basis of this conclusion? Does the broker's contract with the
seller say so?

Umm, yes.
If the buyer signs a contract to buy the boat, *with*
specifically listed gear included, then that contracts "says
so."

Maybe your understanding of contracts is different. Let's
say just for example, a licensed broker decides that he
wants more than just his commission, so he strips off the
nicest gear from a yacht he just brokered and sells the
stuff on Ebay. Is this ethical IYHO? Is it legal? Is it
acting within the expectations of profession conduct? Is it
acting in good faith? Does the buyers 'due diligence'
include protecting himself from the expectation that the
broker is going to steal?

Regards
Doug King

hunter 34... broker
 

other brokers charge for this?



Have you ever shopped for a boat. There are many small brokers that
don't offer a sea trial at all.



Robert
35s5
NY

hunter 34... broker
 

And you back this up with what, your surveyor's accredation
and your broker's license? Or your claim to the title "Captain"?


Our brokers license is certainly at risk is we make promises we can't
keep. This is a long standing business. I've never claimed to be a
license captain, but it looks like I'll have to be soon.


Robert
35s5
NY