hunter 34... broker
 

Just a little before was another Canadian sailboat Magique had to be
abandoned close to Bermuda. It lost its rudder during the height of the
storm and the crew was rescued by the US Coast Guard.

"Jeff" wrote in message
. ..
wrote:
...
A Canadian Navy frigate is presently on its way to rescue another
Canadian Sailboat at about 650 miles south of Yarmouth Nova Scotia. It is
reported that the winds are very strong and the sea rough enough for the
Frigate to use storm tactics and to proceed with caution. One of the
tactics used is to point into the wind with the engine geared at the
proper speed until the worst is over.

I just received this email from close friends who had spent the summer in
Shelburne, and sewed a new dodger for the boat:

News clipping from Canadian Globe and Mail which details the trial of our
friends from Shelburne. Rochelle 4 is the boat we did all the sewing for.

According to our sources they were rolled and dismasted in winds 40-50
SE and seas to 24 ft. Sheila broke her arm in the rollover. The boat
was a 47 ft Erickson, flush deck, 80's era substantial IOR offshore racer.
All are experienced sailors. They had put a lot of work into the boat it
is sad to see them have to leave it but in the circumstances I think it
the correct decision.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl.../National/home

We learned of this as the rescue was happening. Very strange to be
enjoying a nice sail down the Chesapeake while our friends were in a
survival situation.

More later.

hunter 34
 

Jeff wrote:
shaun wrote:

Jeff wrote:
snip



Not really. Even though I've been on dozens of trips 10 times longer
than your little hop, including being 50 miles offshore a number of
times, I wouldn't presume to advise on the offshore capability of a
vessel other than one I've actually sailed in heavy weather, on a
real ocean.
snip

50 miles offshore.....wow....was it bad.....did the boat tip.....


Not very likely. Actually I had more offshore experience in previous
(and other person's) boats. Now I travel with wife and kid; they're not
as fond of slugging through weather in the middle of the night as I used
to be.



http://www.rlyachts.net/index24.asp
in that case this little boat is a world cruiser too.
i have had this out in one of our (storms) fresh breeze to us
broached surfing down a wave ...yes i was being and idiot but i was
having a ball at the time from memory the forecast at the time 40 to
45 knot winds 3 meter swell with 2 to 3 meter waves.yes i was knackerd
after wards sore bruised ribs ect does it stop me NO.


If this is what you consider an offshore boat why are you asking about
Hunters?

...

Wind and waves do not bother me....reefs fog big tides yes that makes
me very nervous and those great big slab sided things called container
ships scare the **** outa me.
P.S does the Indian ocean qualify as a REAL ocean


Here in New England we don't have reefs, but do have rocks, lots of fog,
and big tides. The container ships we send to New York.

The North Atlantic counts as a real ocean too, but most of us stay off
it during the winter.

Sorry ..i was pulling your leg..
no the little rl24 is ok for a hop or simular but not a real trip.
Shaun

hunter 34
 

Peter wrote:

snip

Back to the orig qestion - I think Shaun is looking for confirmation
because it appears he's already decided to buy the Hunter.

What the hell,Shaun. Pick the weather, you can coast-hop north without
probs in anything. The tidal currents north of Broome mean that almost
any sailboat is gonna have probs so how big an engine do you have and
what's the speed over ground fighting an 8 knot tidal current? From
Darwin it's an easy run west to Indonesia, Christmas Island, Cocos
group or over to the Chagos. Coming home is where I'd be a bit
concerned - the westerlies may not treat that tall rig & relatively
lightweight hull construction all that kindly, but what the hell - if
that's what you want, do it.

PDW - who lives south of 42 S

Yes i have decided that the hunter suits my life style and price range.
what i was looking for was a responce to the negative in terms of
constructive fault finding IE kingpost rots/holding tank known to be a
problem. plastic porthole/window surounds known to be leaky.
engine a pig to get to ECT.
As for the tall rig....i thought a reef was the solution to that.
Thats why i plan to have tripple reef points fitted, because she has a
lot of sail for the hull not because of foul weather (at least i hope
not) :-)
And as for north sailing
Exmouth is about as far north as i want to go and from mem the tides max
out at about 2 meters there...give or take :-)
Shaun

hunter 34
 

shaun wrote:
Jeff wrote:
shaun wrote:
...
Wind and waves do not bother me....reefs fog big tides yes that makes
me very nervous and those great big slab sided things called
container ships scare the **** outa me.
P.S does the Indian ocean qualify as a REAL ocean


Here in New England we don't have reefs, but do have rocks, lots of
fog, and big tides. The container ships we send to New York.

The North Atlantic counts as a real ocean too, but most of us stay off
it during the winter.

Sorry ..i was pulling your leg..
no the little rl24 is ok for a hop or simular but not a real trip.

No need to apologize - From what I saw of the Western Australia waters
from the America's Cup in Fremantle, anyone who would go out in that
in a trailer boat is entitled to do a little leg pulling.

But what's this about tides? It looks like the tidal range for most
of WA is under a meter, though Exmouth gets up over 2 meters. Here in
Boston its 3 meters, and gets up towards 4 meters near the Canadian
border. Of course, if you go further, the tides get extreme - spring
tides of 16 meters are found.

I've always wanted to do the Reversing Falls in St. John:
http://www.pelorus-jack.com/boat/02_...nd/canada.html

hunter 34
 

"Jeff" wrote in message
...
But what's this about tides? It looks like the tidal range for most of WA
is under a meter, though Exmouth gets up over 2 meters. Here in Boston
its 3 meters, and gets up towards 4 meters near the Canadian border. Of
course, if you go further, the tides get extreme - spring tides of 16
meters are found.

I've always wanted to do the Reversing Falls in St. John:
http://www.pelorus-jack.com/boat/02_...nd/canada.html

You folks ain't seen nothing 'til you've had to deal with tides like we have
in Green Bay. Why there was a time this past summer when we had a whopping
six inches. Top THAT! ;-)

hunter 34... broker
 

On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 09:25:43 -0500, Jeff wrote:

We learned of this as the rescue was happening. Very strange to be
enjoying a nice sail down the Chesapeake while our friends were in a
survival situation.

Good decisions lead to good outcomes, and vice versa.

Sorry to hear about your friend's problem but what the heck were they
thinking of this time of year?

hunter 34... broker
 

Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 09:25:43 -0500, Jeff wrote:

We learned of this as the rescue was happening. Very strange to be
enjoying a nice sail down the Chesapeake while our friends were in a
survival situation.

Good decisions lead to good outcomes, and vice versa.

Sorry to hear about your friend's problem but what the heck were they
thinking of this time of year?

Actually, my friends (the authors of the email) are the ones who took
the coastal route - I visited with them in Portsmouth and again in
Onset, now they're on the Chesapeake, headed towards South Carolina.
This is more my style of cruising nowadays.

Their friends, of whom they've often spoken but I've never met, are
the ones that got rescued. I'm sure I'll get a fuller story in the
coming weeks. In particular, I'm wondering if they had planned to go
earlier and got delayed, or were they waiting out the hurricane season.

Although not much could tempt me to do that trip this time of year,
there is a perception that mid-November to mid-December is a window
between the hurricanes and the winter storms, so there's always a few
boats that try. But it seems like a crap shoot to me, and every year
there's a story like this one.

I wonder if they scuttled the sailboat; it sounded like it was
floating well, and perhaps it will turn up somewhere.

hunter 34... broker
 

On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 13:18:18 -0500, Jeff wrote:

there is a perception that mid-November to mid-December is a window
between the hurricanes and the winter storms, so there's always a few
boats that try. But it seems like a crap shoot to me, and every year
there's a story like this one.

The risk of hurricanes and tropical storms is largely over by the end
of October but there are ferocious low pressure systems that sweep
through from Canada and the mid-west in November. It's much less
risky to take a coastal route as far south as possible before heading
east to Bermuda.

Leaving from Newport, RI instead of Nova Scotia saves 300 to 400
miles of open ocean exposure. Leaving from North Carolina saves no
distance but gets you quickly into somewhat more stable weather once
you clear Hatteras and the Gulf Stream.

hunter 34
 

KLC Lewis wrote:

"Jeff" wrote in message
...

But what's this about tides? It looks like the tidal range for most of WA
is under a meter, though Exmouth gets up over 2 meters. Here in Boston
its 3 meters, and gets up towards 4 meters near the Canadian border. Of
course, if you go further, the tides get extreme - spring tides of 16
meters are found.

I've always wanted to do the Reversing Falls in St. John:
http://www.pelorus-jack.com/boat/02_...nd/canada.html


You folks ain't seen nothing 'til you've had to deal with tides like we have
in Green Bay. Why there was a time this past summer when we had a whopping
six inches. Top THAT! ;-)


Now thats what i call a tide to be scared of...:-)
Shaun

Porta-Bote
 

"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
...
On 10 Nov 2006 05:35:32 -0800, "Capt. Rob"
wrote:


This is odd, Rob. Previously, you said you bought a
Porta-bote, and then gave it
to your father. Which story is the real one?


Now Chuckie, you know he said that on ASA, where nothing is
real. Rob's starting a clean slate here on rbc. Just
forget everything he's ever written in the past.

SBV

Porta-Bote
 

This is odd, Rob. Previously, you said you bought a Porta-bote, and
then gave it
to your father. Which story is the real one?


I never used the porta bote previously here. It ended up being for my
old man, who loves it for use on the lake near his house in the
Poconos. The one we recently tried was the only one we used with the
35s5.


RB
35s5
NY

Porta-Bote
 

Now Chuckie, you know he said that on ASA, where nothing is
real.





Wanna know how the porta bote works on a man made lake in the Poconos?
My father is using it with a small minikota motor, since they don't
allow gas engines.



Robert
35s5
NY

hunter 34... good advice is where you find it
 

well said Dan... more comments

Dan Best wrote:
In the couple of weeks I've been back, I've seen valid comments from
just about everybody as well as some irritating "he's a troll/no he's a
troll" bickering. That, quite frankly, I'd just as soon do without.

Agreed. People who don't have anything better to do can go
over to rec.boats and talk politics.


A
lot of it seems hang on the questioning of someone's credentials. As
far as I'm concerned, it doesn't matter. I don't care whether someone
taught the Pardeys everything they know or is just beginning.

Agreed, with the caveat that a rank novice who: 1- tries to
sell goods or services while pretending to give advice and
2- claims credentials he doesn't have... is a person to
avoid. "Capt Rob" or Bobsprit fits both of those to a T.



Good advice is good advice and there are enough people hanging out here
that bad advice will be challenged and fail to be accepted.

Yes but sometimes a lot of people jump on advice that goes
against "conventional wisdom" even when it's actually good
and based on real-world experiences. YMMV



Tell the original poster why you think (don't think) a hunter 34 is a
good offshore boat.

A couple of folks did but mostly generic to Hunters, not
specifically directed at the H-34. Note that Frank M. who
had a pretty much unparalleled (AFAIK) experience with a
Hunter 34 and said very little against the boat.


If you wanna bash each other personally, I'd just
as soon you took it offline.

I would too.

Better yet, trade land addresses so you
can get together and really duke it out.

A couple of the bashers have been known to post other
people's addresses (incorrectly, in at least one case) and
personal info, but are apparently too cowardly to actually
meet in person.

Regards
Doug King

hunter 34... rescue
 

hunter 34
 

Yes i have decided that the hunter suits my life style and price range.

what i was looking for was a responce to the negative in terms of
constructive fault finding IE kingpost rots/holding tank known to be a
problem. plastic porthole/window surounds known to be leaky.
engine a pig to get to ECT.



You can just about count on leaky windows if someone has not done a
full job on them. For what it's worth, this is a problem found on a lot
of boats at all price levels. The Hunter ports had it the worst in
climate like NY, totally unable to handle the wide temp variations.
Both the 34 and the 40 we had here had leaky windows, but surprisingly
dry decks.


Robert
35s5
NY

hunter 34... rescue
 

"I hope he gets his boat back."

That opens up another parentheses. Not too long ago the maritime
jurisprudence was that if a boat/ship was abandoned at sea it became the
property of anyone who was able to rescue or salvage it. Recent events may
have changed that age old policy?
A few year ago one of my friend's boat sunk during a storm. His insurance
paid him for the same year and model replacement.
However, went if comes to abandonment I do not know how this insurance
company handle the case. If the boat is located it will have to be towed
away to prevent navigation hazard. Then towing, docking and handling will
have to be paid. Then the damage have to be evaluated. If the boat is a
write off it will have to be disposed at a cost. Again I do not know how the
insurance will react?
When my boat got damaged during an hurricane I had to pull teeth, get an
official weather report and debated it with the insurance company before
getting paid.


"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
wrote:

Thanks for your feedback. I will use it in the very near future.

"I hope he gets his boat back.'


I meant that seriously... a lot of boats keep afloat thru unbelievable
weather or other difficulties and are salvaged. We've had a number of
boats come ashore here in NC and some found their way beck to the owners'
hands.



At first we tough he got rescued by a container ship. At supper it was
confirmed that the US Coast Guard did the rescue close to Bermuda.


Glad to hear it's confirmed they are safe.

DSK

hunter 34... good advice is where you find it
 

DSK wrote:
....snip...
A couple of folks did but mostly generic to Hunters, not
specifically directed at the H-34. Note that Frank M. who
had a pretty much unparalleled (AFAIK) experience with a
Hunter 34 and said very little against the boat.

Hi, Doug,

How ya doing?

I could certainly go on at length about the weakensses of the H34; but
anyone who's owned any boat for any length of time could do that for
that particular marque or model.

It is a price-point boat. There are a number of caveats for a potential
buyer.

There is also the fact that you get a lot of bang for the buck. And my
kids preferred the interior to the interior of the C&C 39 we looked at,
which I preferred overall; but when you're living aboard, liveability
hasta count for something.

And how many days out of the year do any of us spend offshore,
especially in harsh conditions? I've crossed the Atlantic and raced in
the Pacific. The worst conditions I ever faced were on this "cheap,"
"crappy" Hunter. She brought us through that and survived Katrina,
Rita, and Wilma.

What else can you ask of a boat?

Frank

hunter 34... good advice is where you find it
 

"What else can you ask of a boat?

I am seriously looking a the new Hunter 33.
Can you tell a little about the Hunter 34 rudder design.

"Frank" wrote in message
ups.com...
DSK wrote:
...snip...
A couple of folks did but mostly generic to Hunters, not
specifically directed at the H-34. Note that Frank M. who
had a pretty much unparalleled (AFAIK) experience with a
Hunter 34 and said very little against the boat.

Hi, Doug,

How ya doing?

I could certainly go on at length about the weakensses of the H34; but
anyone who's owned any boat for any length of time could do that for
that particular marque or model.

It is a price-point boat. There are a number of caveats for a potential
buyer.

There is also the fact that you get a lot of bang for the buck. And my
kids preferred the interior to the interior of the C&C 39 we looked at,
which I preferred overall; but when you're living aboard, liveability
hasta count for something.

And how many days out of the year do any of us spend offshore,
especially in harsh conditions? I've crossed the Atlantic and raced in
the Pacific. The worst conditions I ever faced were on this "cheap,"
"crappy" Hunter. She brought us through that and survived Katrina,
Rita, and Wilma.

What else can you ask of a boat?

Frank

hunter 34... rescue
 

Thanks Dave, you have clarified it very well.
"The right to a salvage award creates a lien on the vessel in favor of the
salvor, and if the lien is not discharged by payment the lien holder could
require sale of the vessel to satisfy the award."
I see a thin line between an award and a prize.
At the end the award could outweigh the residual value of the vessel. By
the time all bills are paid it may more feasible for the owner to forgo his
vessel to the salvor. At one time, when I had a short wave radio I found it
very interesting to monitor the salvaging (Towing) companies during may day
and storms.


"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 02:44:09 GMT, said:

Not too long ago the maritime
jurisprudence was that if a boat/ship was abandoned at sea it became the
property of anyone who was able to rescue or salvage it.

I think you may be a bit confused here. The law for a very long time has
been that one who salvages a vessel is entitled to a salvage award, with
the
amount of the award based on a number of factors, including among other
things the skill required and the danger incurred in the salvage
operations.
The right to a salvage award creates a lien on the vessel in favor of the
salvor, and if the lien is not discharged by payment the lien holder could
require sale of the vessel to satisfy the award. But the act of salvage
does
not in and of itself transfer title to the vessel to the salvor, whether
or
not the vessel was abandoned at sea.

hunter 34
 

shaun wrote:
Peter wrote:

snip

Back to the orig qestion - I think Shaun is looking for confirmation
because it appears he's already decided to buy the Hunter.

What the hell,Shaun. Pick the weather, you can coast-hop north without
probs in anything. The tidal currents north of Broome mean that almost
any sailboat is gonna have probs so how big an engine do you have and
what's the speed over ground fighting an 8 knot tidal current? From
Darwin it's an easy run west to Indonesia, Christmas Island, Cocos
group or over to the Chagos. Coming home is where I'd be a bit
concerned - the westerlies may not treat that tall rig & relatively
lightweight hull construction all that kindly, but what the hell - if
that's what you want, do it.

PDW - who lives south of 42 S

Yes i have decided that the hunter suits my life style and price range.
what i was looking for was a responce to the negative in terms of
constructive fault finding IE kingpost rots/holding tank known to be a
problem. plastic porthole/window surounds known to be leaky.
engine a pig to get to ECT.

IMO *every* commercial hull has crap engine access but perhaps I'm
biased.

As for the tall rig....i thought a reef was the solution to that.
Thats why i plan to have tripple reef points fitted, because she has a
lot of sail for the hull not because of foul weather (at least i hope
not) :-)
And as for north sailing
Exmouth is about as far north as i want to go and from mem the tides max
out at about 2 meters there...give or take :-)

Ah ok, that's not too bad. I used to do Darwin to Broome quite a bit
back in the 80's. Still remember trying to get into Shark Bay against
the tide one time. In the end we just gave up & went off to drink more
beer. 8 to 10 metres tide range tho.

South around to Albany & Esperance is nice. Might need a good engine to
get back again.

PDW