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hunter 34... broker
I appreciate your explaining these things Dave, but it seems
to me that you're not really 100% on the good guys side here ;) Dave wrote: Muddled thinking, Doug. The broker isn't selling the boat. The owner of the boat is. The contract is with the boat owner, not the broker. But if the broker signs the contract, accepts an escrow payment under terms of that contract, and expects to perform his professional obligation in execution of that contract and accept payment for same, then he *is* a party to that contract. ... If the seller doesn't deliver it isn't the broker who has broken the contract. It's the owner of the boat. Agreed, sort of... and that's why the disclaimer. The broker could unknowingly fail to deliver all goods (and or services) and still be acting in good faith. OTOH he should expect to catch some flack. DSK |
hunter 34... broker
Fraud is illegal in all 50 states. So is breaking a contract.
Dave wrote: When most people say "illegal" they mean criminal. Although fraud can be criminal in some circumstances, the kind you're talking about here is a tort, not a crime. Doesn't it depend on the amount of money involved? ... The victim of a tort is entitled to damages--money. If the tort is intentional (as fraud is) he may be entitled to punitive damages--i.e. more than his actual loss. That's what makes glad the hearts of trial lawyer. Similarly, breach of contract is not a crime. The party not guilty of the breach is entitled to money. Generally, though, he's entitled to money from the other party to the contract--generally not the broker. If the broker is acting in fiduciary interest of the seller, then he has definitely broken a contract IMHO... but then I'm not a lawyer. As I understand it, another remedy that doesn't necessarily involve the courts is for the seller to take the boat back and the buyer to get all his money back. I have seen this happen, sometimes the brokers try to keep the deposit and sometimes they hand it all back. DSK |
hunter 34... broker
I do not have an axe to grind with Brokers. It is just that for a 10%
commission I tough I was going to get some legal protection and assurance that a sailboat is in good sailing condition and fit to be purchased at the asking/neg. price. I was told point blank by a broker that it was not worth it to list a $20.000. sailboat because his commission would only be $2.000. The supervision a broker provides is not legally binding. This means that if something turns sours the broker is not legally accountable. Then what legal value has the broker's certification? If a surgeon or family physician make a mistake he/she can be sued for malpractice. An architect or engineer and other professions are hold responsible for their actions and recommended calculations and designs. "Scotty" wrote in message . .. "DSK" wrote in message . .. "Capt" Rob wrote: 7) Better pricing in some situations So, worse pricing in other situations? SBV |
hunter 34... broker
I am seriously in the market for a replacement sailboat.
I was offer a sea trial several time. Each time, before the trial the broker insisted on having a deposit to show my good intend. I soon learned that the Sea Trial approach was a broker's tactic to secure a deposit. Once the deposit is secured by the broker the negotiation wheel starts. You then get involved in surveying cost for the hull and the engine. Then if you are not happy about the boat you may ask for you deposit and you write off the surveying cost. In some places the broker may retain administration cost out of your deposit? I do not have any statistic on how fast you can get your deposit back? "Capt. Rob" wrote in message ups.com... other brokers charge for this? Have you ever shopped for a boat. There are many small brokers that don't offer a sea trial at all. Robert 35s5 NY |
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hunter 34... broker
Agreed, sort of... and that's why the disclaimer. The broker
could unknowingly fail to deliver all goods (and or services) and still be acting in good faith. Charlie Morgan wrote: Brokers frequently market boats of which they have ZERO first hand knowlege. What part of "unknowingly" did you not understand? DSK |
hunter 34... broker
Charlie Morgan wrote:
What part of "broker" is difficult for you? The part where a person with no license, no credentials, and no knowledge claims to be a broker, a surveyor, and a "Captain." DSK |
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In article
, shaun wrote: hi ya Jere have read about your freighter :-) glad to see that you have found your boat and hope you enjoy her for many more miles. Any new updates since about 2 years ago...that was about the first time i read about your XAN You may be confusing me with Paul V, the author of cruisenews.net. We've had Xan for 12-13 seasons now. It's gotten almost boring: head down Friday afternoon, head out some place, have a great time, reluctantly head home sometime Sunday. Did 3 week-long trips and the pattern was essentially: wake up, decide whether to move, move or not, enjoy the scenery, eat, sleep. -- Jere Lull Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD) Xan's Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
hunter 34... broker
How long is this silly stupid bickering gonna go on?
"DSK" wrote in message . .. Charlie Morgan wrote: What part of "broker" is difficult for you? The part where a person with no license, no credentials, and no knowledge claims to be a broker, a surveyor, and a "Captain." DSK |
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Hoges in WA wrote:
snip Sounds like good management rather than good luck. What about north-er like Abrolhos, Monte Bellos etc? Hoges in WA To be honest no......not yet but Ningaloo is planned very shortly after boat gets home..grin Have spent many weeks (over a few years) fishing/diving camping at ningaloo 22deg 29min 11.09sec S 113deg 43min 46.30sec E and have decided that the boat is now the only way i want to do it. Have spent a little..repeat little time around geraldton :-) and do like the area...minus the cray pots tho. you sail Hoges..? or is it still the great wish/dream :-) (no insult by the way) |
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"Broker Rob" wrote in message ups.com... other brokers charge for this? Have you ever shopped for a boat. yes, several times. never had to pay for a sea trial. you? SBV |
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"Broker Rob" wrote in message oups.com.. .. 4) FREE sea trial of every boat we sell. Wow, really? Do you also offer a free cup of coffee? SBV |
hunter 34... broker
wrote in message ... I do not have an axe to grind with Brokers. It is just that for a 10% commission I tough I was going to get some legal protection and assurance that a sailboat is in good sailing condition and fit to be purchased at the asking/neg. price. I was told point blank by a broker that it was not worth it to list a $20.000. sailboat because his commission would only be $2.000. that's silly. The last broker I dealt with charged a percentage, down to a set price, then charged a flat fee. SBV |
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On 8 Nov 2006 15:09:18 -0800, "Capt. Rob" wrote:
Have you ever shopped for a boat. There are many small brokers that don't offer a sea trial at all. It is not up to the broker to offer a sea trial. It is up to the buyer to include a satifactory sea trial and survey as a contingency in the purchase agreement, along with other possible contingincies such as financing and insurance. Many brokers will try to push a standard agreement which has very little protection for the buyer and a *lot* of protection for the broker. Some standard agreements are better than others, but all of them should be viewed as a starting point only. It is of utmost importance to the buyer that the agreement ccontain a well defined acceptance period where the boat can be surveyed, sea trialed, etc. with no further obligation and a full refund of deposit if rejected. |
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On Wed, 08 Nov 2006 15:24:15 -0500, DSK wrote:
Especially one who calls himself "Captain" when he isn't one, and who says he does "surveys" that he's not qualified to perform. And allows "free" sea trials. |
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Scotty wrote:
"Broker Rob" wrote in message oups.com.. . 4) FREE sea trial of every boat we sell. Wow, really? Do you also offer a free cup of coffee? SBV Damm Thats it no sale...i Want a coffee or it falls through. Whats the saying wake up and smell the coffee ! :-) |
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Jere Lull wrote:
In article , shaun wrote: hi ya Jere have read about your freighter :-) glad to see that you have found your boat and hope you enjoy her for many more miles. Any new updates since about 2 years ago...that was about the first time i read about your XAN You may be confusing me with Paul V, the author of cruisenews.net. We've had Xan for 12-13 seasons now. It's gotten almost boring: head down Friday afternoon, head out some place, have a great time, reluctantly head home sometime Sunday. Did 3 week-long trips and the pattern was essentially: wake up, decide whether to move, move or not, enjoy the scenery, eat, sleep. I may be...but i don't Think i am....grin. I Must be suffering from C.R.A.F.T.* Was very sure that i had read about your boat quite a while ago and was imressed by your loyalty to a boat that many people laughed at (out the other side of there face when you passed them) it seems to be that way about the hunters as well, over here they have a very good rep. Mind you, you try and find one in WA (Western Australia). Shaun * Can't Remember A ****ing Thing |
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shaun wrote in news:4550b349$0$3042$5a62ac22@per-
qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au: What i am looking for is REAL not percieved or imagined faults with the hunter 34 1980 to 1987 type, deep keel tall rig. 80% of my sailing will be offshore coastal along the Western Australian coast. Nice boat if you never leave the harbor. To realize what I'm saying, take a battery-powered portable drill with a hole saw attachment on it and make a hole about 30cm below the toerail for a new bilge pump fitting to go in. Take the plastic plug out of the hole saw and look at the edge of it and notice its thickness...number of layers of fiberglass...guess its strength. You're going offshore in the big waves in this thin a hull?! Look under the cockpit seats at the hull. See all those supports making this really thin hull so stiff it can't possibly flex or crack when that big 18' monster crashes into it 50 km off Melbourne? I didn't. Like I say....Nice boat if you're never going to leave the harbor. I put an installed Whale hand pump in a friends Hunter 34. When I showed up with a hole saw in a little portable drill, he thought it was funny and I'd never drill through the hull for the outlet fitting. Boy, was he shocked...(c; Larry -- Halloween candy left over..... Is there a downside? |
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"shaun" wrote in message ... Hoges in WA wrote: snip Sounds like good management rather than good luck. What about north-er like Abrolhos, Monte Bellos etc? Hoges in WA To be honest no......not yet but Ningaloo is planned very shortly after boat gets home..grin Have spent many weeks (over a few years) fishing/diving camping at ningaloo 22deg 29min 11.09sec S 113deg 43min 46.30sec E and have decided that the boat is now the only way i want to do it. Have spent a little..repeat little time around geraldton :-) and do like the area...minus the cray pots tho. you sail Hoges..? or is it still the great wish/dream :-) (no insult by the way) sail but no boat......yet. presently invested, will liquidate the day I need the boat (give or take etc) I'm a bit older than you so the retirement plans are falling gently into place. With better planning years ago I should have done what you are doing but wasn't wise enough early enough. Still, it's almost here now Hoges in WA |
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what year hunter was this? I just redid my holding tank and installed all
new plumbing to included a new thru hull and on my 1981 hunter 37 cutter the hull for the holding tank pump out was at least 3/4 of an inch thick if not more. Previous owners have cruised with this boat all over to include the carribean, mexico, hawaii. Now I admit I know nothing about nothing when it comes to boats but to my uneducated eye it looked pretty solid and thick enough for my comfort. "Larry" wrote in message ... shaun wrote in news:4550b349$0$3042$5a62ac22@per- qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au: What i am looking for is REAL not percieved or imagined faults with the hunter 34 1980 to 1987 type, deep keel tall rig. 80% of my sailing will be offshore coastal along the Western Australian coast. Nice boat if you never leave the harbor. To realize what I'm saying, take a battery-powered portable drill with a hole saw attachment on it and make a hole about 30cm below the toerail for a new bilge pump fitting to go in. Take the plastic plug out of the hole saw and look at the edge of it and notice its thickness...number of layers of fiberglass...guess its strength. You're going offshore in the big waves in this thin a hull?! Look under the cockpit seats at the hull. See all those supports making this really thin hull so stiff it can't possibly flex or crack when that big 18' monster crashes into it 50 km off Melbourne? I didn't. Like I say....Nice boat if you're never going to leave the harbor. I put an installed Whale hand pump in a friends Hunter 34. When I showed up with a hole saw in a little portable drill, he thought it was funny and I'd never drill through the hull for the outlet fitting. Boy, was he shocked...(c; Larry -- Halloween candy left over..... Is there a downside? |
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You're going offshore in the big waves in this thin a hull?! The Hunter 34 can certainly go offshore safely. Robert 35s5 NY |
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"Chi Chi" wrote in
: what year hunter was this? I just redid my holding tank and installed all new plumbing to included a new thru hull and on my 1981 hunter 37 cutter the hull for the holding tank pump out was at least 3/4 of an inch thick if not more. Previous owners have cruised with this boat all over to include the carribean, mexico, hawaii. Now I admit I know nothing about nothing when it comes to boats but to my uneducated eye it looked pretty solid and thick enough for my comfort. 80-something. You put the pumpout through the hull, not the deck? Larry -- Halloween candy left over..... Is there a downside? |
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Wed, 08 Nov 2006 15:24:15 -0500, DSK wrote: Especially one who calls himself "Captain" when he isn't one, and who says he does "surveys" that he's not qualified to perform. And allows "free" sea trials. *AND* a free cup of coffee! |
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Capt. Rob wrote:
You're going offshore in the big waves in this thin a hull?! The Hunter 34 can certainly go offshore safely. I think Shaun might appreciate the opinion of someone who had actually sailed outside of Long Island Sound. Seriously, Bob, your experience outside of completely protected waters can be measured in single digit hours. You've never been on a "cruise" longer than several days, and you've never been more than an hour away from SeaTow. Daysailing from City Island does not make you an expert on offshore cruising in Western Australia. |
hunter 34... broker
Each time, before the trial the broker insisted on having a deposit to show my good intend. I soon learned that the Sea Trial approach was a broker's tactic to secure a deposit. I have sold quite a few boats and co-brokered some others. This is how it generally works. 1) Look over the boat and decide if she's for you. 2) Make an offer, which is PENDING SURVEY and SEA TRIAL 3) Give a deposit. It costs money to do a sea trial. Often the boat is on the hard. They are not going to launch and take you for a sail if you're not serious about buying; hence the deposit. Either the yard/service dept. will pay or the owner. Sometimes the expense is shared. A licensed captain is often used for the sea trial at major brokers. 4) If problems are found during survey or sea trail you may attempt to re-negotiate the price or just walk away. I've never seen a broker not return the deposit promptly. If all is in order you're expected to follow through, but some folks still walk due to cold feet, another boat or financial issues. 5) We won't arrange anything on some of our larger boats unless we know you have the means to buy the boat. A good broker wants you back when you decide to move up to a larger yacht. Robert 35s5 NY |
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"Jeff" wrote in message . .. Capt. Rob wrote: You're going offshore in the big waves in this thin a hull?! The Hunter 34 can certainly go offshore safely. I think Shaun might appreciate the opinion of someone who had actually sailed outside of Long Island Sound. Seriously, Bob, your experience outside of completely protected waters can be measured in single digit hours. You've never been on a "cruise" longer than several days, and you've never been more than an hour away from SeaTow. Daysailing from City Island does not make you an expert on offshore cruising in Western Australia. But, he's a Capt. |
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"Broker Bob" wrote in message ps.com... 1) Look over the boat and decide if she's for you. 2) Make an offer, which is PENDING SURVEY and SEA TRIAL 3) Give a deposit. It costs money to do a sea trial. Often the boat is on the hard. They are not going to launch and take you for a sail if you're not serious about buying; hence the deposit. Either the yard/service dept. will pay or the owner. Sometimes the expense is shared. A licensed captain is often used for the sea trial at major brokers. Do you know a licensed captain, Capt. ? SBV |
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The Hunter 34 can certainly go offshore safely. I think Shaun might appreciate the opinion of someone who had actually sailed outside of Long Island Sound. So then you don't agree with my statement? BTW, does the Jersey coast count as outside of the LIS? Do you have any experienced comments to make for Shaun or are you just trolling? Robert 35s5 NY |
hunter 34... broker
Do you know a licensed captain, Capt. ? Sure, the yard employs two and it looks like I'll need to get mine soon. Robert 35s5 NY |
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Daysailing from City Island does not make you an expert on offshore cruising in Western Australia. This is not ASA, Jeff. Let us all know how your PDQ 36 does in Western Australia. Robert 35s5 NY |
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yes it has 2, 1 thru the deck and 1 thru the hull with a "Y" valve
inbetween. "Larry" wrote in message ... "Chi Chi" wrote in : what year hunter was this? I just redid my holding tank and installed all new plumbing to included a new thru hull and on my 1981 hunter 37 cutter the hull for the holding tank pump out was at least 3/4 of an inch thick if not more. Previous owners have cruised with this boat all over to include the carribean, mexico, hawaii. Now I admit I know nothing about nothing when it comes to boats but to my uneducated eye it looked pretty solid and thick enough for my comfort. 80-something. You put the pumpout through the hull, not the deck? Larry -- Halloween candy left over..... Is there a downside? |
hunter 34... broker
Thanks for taking the time to explain the process.
My comments are as follows; 2) Make an offer, which is PENDING SURVEY and SEA TRIAL. That means that I will have to make a deposit of about 10%? The probability of buying a sailboat on the first look around is possible but remote. 3) A licensed captain is often used for the sea trial at major brokers. Once I buy the boat I will be the one handling the sailboat, setting sails, trimming,docking, maintaining it and so on. I am not a maverick but what does a licensed captain have that I do not already have? I have never turned down good advises and suggestions. This morning I have a mixed feeling about surveyors. I just learned that one of my friend lost his rudder on his way to Bermuda and had to be rescued by a container ship. I hope to get more details on that one. "Capt. Rob" wrote in message ps.com... Each time, before the trial the broker insisted on having a deposit to show my good intend. I soon learned that the Sea Trial approach was a broker's tactic to secure a deposit. I have sold quite a few boats and co-brokered some others. This is how it generally works. 1) Look over the boat and decide if she's for you. 2) Make an offer, which is PENDING SURVEY and SEA TRIAL 3) Give a deposit. It costs money to do a sea trial. Often the boat is on the hard. They are not going to launch and take you for a sail if you're not serious about buying; hence the deposit. Either the yard/service dept. will pay or the owner. Sometimes the expense is shared. A licensed captain is often used for the sea trial at major brokers. 4) If problems are found during survey or sea trail you may attempt to re-negotiate the price or just walk away. I've never seen a broker not return the deposit promptly. If all is in order you're expected to follow through, but some folks still walk due to cold feet, another boat or financial issues. 5) We won't arrange anything on some of our larger boats unless we know you have the means to buy the boat. A good broker wants you back when you decide to move up to a larger yacht. Robert 35s5 NY |
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Capt. Rob wrote:
The Hunter 34 can certainly go offshore safely. I think Shaun might appreciate the opinion of someone who had actually sailed outside of Long Island Sound. So then you don't agree with my statement? As has often been claimed, almost any vessel can survive an ocean voyage. However, experienced sailers have for thousands of years have deemed some vessels safer than others. From what I know of the 34, it falls below the line. Just my opinion, and I'll concede that my offshore experience is somewhat limited. BTW, does the Jersey coast count as outside of the LIS? I allowed you several hours of "outside" time just to include that one particular trip. But this just proves my point: you went on one short delivery a few miles down the NJ coast 6 years ago, and you've used that over and over again to "prove" you have "offshore" experience. Do you have any experienced comments to make for Shaun or are you just trolling? Not really. Even though I've been on dozens of trips 10 times longer than your little hop, including being 50 miles offshore a number of times, I wouldn't presume to advise on the offshore capability of a vessel other than one I've actually sailed in heavy weather, on a real ocean. But I will offer this: a few years ago I was attending a class where most of the other students were delivery captains, several had done South Africa to the Caribbean a number of times. Three of them were chatting one morning (I was really eaves dropping) when the topic came up of a sailboat that had requested rescue about 100 miles off Nantucket, in conditions that weren't that bad. One of them said "I don't suppose the boat type began with 'H'?" and the three of them started laughing so hard I thought they'd split a gut! |
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I think you missed his point here. He never said to make an offer the first
time You look. Take your time and look around, go back for a 2nd or 3rd look if You find something you like and are interested, research as much as You can, then when You are comfortable and ready to take things further and have narrowed Your search down to a couple of boats make Your offer. A Licensed Captain will have insurance coverage and will resolve You of any liability if something were to happen while out on a sea trial. After You purchase the boat and are insured You will be your own captain. wrote in message ... Thanks for taking the time to explain the process. My comments are as follows; 2) Make an offer, which is PENDING SURVEY and SEA TRIAL. That means that I will have to make a deposit of about 10%? The probability of buying a sailboat on the first look around is possible but remote. 3) A licensed captain is often used for the sea trial at major brokers. Once I buy the boat I will be the one handling the sailboat, setting sails, trimming,docking, maintaining it and so on. I am not a maverick but what does a licensed captain have that I do not already have? I have never turned down good advises and suggestions. This morning I have a mixed feeling about surveyors. I just learned that one of my friend lost his rudder on his way to Bermuda and had to be rescued by a container ship. I hope to get more details on that one. "Capt. Rob" wrote in message ps.com... Each time, before the trial the broker insisted on having a deposit to show my good intend. I soon learned that the Sea Trial approach was a broker's tactic to secure a deposit. I have sold quite a few boats and co-brokered some others. This is how it generally works. 1) Look over the boat and decide if she's for you. 2) Make an offer, which is PENDING SURVEY and SEA TRIAL 3) Give a deposit. It costs money to do a sea trial. Often the boat is on the hard. They are not going to launch and take you for a sail if you're not serious about buying; hence the deposit. Either the yard/service dept. will pay or the owner. Sometimes the expense is shared. A licensed captain is often used for the sea trial at major brokers. 4) If problems are found during survey or sea trail you may attempt to re-negotiate the price or just walk away. I've never seen a broker not return the deposit promptly. If all is in order you're expected to follow through, but some folks still walk due to cold feet, another boat or financial issues. 5) We won't arrange anything on some of our larger boats unless we know you have the means to buy the boat. A good broker wants you back when you decide to move up to a larger yacht. Robert 35s5 NY |
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Capt. Rob wrote:
Daysailing from City Island does not make you an expert on offshore cruising in Western Australia. This is not ASA, Jeff. Quite correct. There are serious sailors here - let them give opinions on what makes an offshore boat. Newbies like you should sit back and listen. Let us all know how your PDQ 36 does in Western Australia. I don't think any have been there, but what's your point? I've had mine out in the "real" ocean a number of times, including doing the entire NJ coast several times. A few sisterships have crossed the Atlantic, and about 20% have been to Bermuda. As it turns out, my final decision to buy the PDQ was when sailing one in nice breeze (16+ kts) and passing a Hunter 34 as we got hit by a puff. The Hunter was briefly overpowered, heeled and rounded up, while the PDQ just accelerated. My cat was certainly not designed as a long distance passage maker. If I wanted that I would have bought a Prout. But I've had it in 6 to 10 foot seas, and 35+ knots wind a number of times and have been quite thankful it wasn't a clorox bottle, like many of the benehuntalinas. The West Coast of Australia is well known for having large seas and a breeze - anyone purchasing for that area would want to take that into account. One more thing- the Hunter 34 is not the same boat as the Hunter 33 Cherubini. While the 33 is sometimes described as a "world cruiser" I don't hear that about the 34. |
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So in your opinion boats who's maker start with "H" are not offshore capable
or reliable? and You form Your opinion from one conversation you were eavesdropping on? Hrmm i guess all those hatterras owners might want to keep their boats in their slips then. "Jeff" wrote in message news:wdKdncjQlfpC3s7YnZ2dnUVZ_qGdnZ2d@comcas But I will offer this: a few years ago I was attending a class where most of the other students were delivery captains, several had done South Africa to the Caribbean a number of times. Three of them were chatting one morning (I was really eaves dropping) when the topic came up of a sailboat that had requested rescue about 100 miles off Nantucket, in conditions that weren't that bad. One of them said "I don't suppose the boat type began with 'H'?" and the three of them started laughing so hard I thought they'd split a gut! |
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Quite correct. There are serious sailors here - let them give opinions on what makes an offshore boat. Jeff, you're little more than an ASA troll here. I'm certain that Shaun was capable of understanding my comment about the H34. I seriously doubt he thought I was suggesting the H34 was a top bluewater choice. I've also brokered the boat and the one I sold is now sailing offshore on occasion and the owners are happy. I only sailed the boat locally...nice boat for under 30K. As usual I hope everyone who reads your posts become suitably impressed with your Catamaran. Since I I had my C&C in 6-8 foot seas in a 40 knot blow, I guess I shouldn't have been having fun at the time. Come to think of it we saw 8 foot seas and 50 knots in the little Catalina 27. So? The H34 is capable of going offshore, Jeff. And that's a fact. The rest of your post is all troll, so I'm taking the tips from others here and not responding. Did you see the shots of my boat sailing Monday....perfect weather lately! http://youtube.com/watch?v=S8CqSXMnFaA Enjoy, Robert 35s5 NY |
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Capt. Rob wrote:
Quite correct. There are serious sailors here - let them give opinions on what makes an offshore boat. Jeff, you're little more than an ASA troll here. I'm certain that Shaun was capable of understanding my comment about the H34. I seriously doubt he thought I was suggesting the H34 was a top bluewater choice. I've also brokered the boat and the one I sold is now sailing offshore on occasion and the owners are happy. I only sailed the boat locally...nice boat for under 30K. And your opinion of offshore capability is based on ...? As usual I hope everyone who reads your posts become suitably impressed with your Catamaran. You asked about it, I said specifically that I didn't think even that was sufficient to pass judgment on other boats. Since I I had my C&C in 6-8 foot seas in a 40 knot blow, I guess I shouldn't have been having fun at the time. Come to think of it we saw 8 foot seas and 50 knots in the little Catalina 27. So? What a crock of ****! You have no idea what a 6 foot sea is! And while you might have briefly seen a strong wind in a passing squall, handling 50 knots for a full day or more when you're offshore is just a little different from 10 minutes when you're a mile from your slip. The H34 is capable of going offshore, Jeff. And that's a fact. The rest of your post is all troll, so I'm taking the tips from others here and not responding. Not a troll, Bob. Anyone getting advice deserves to what your qualifications are. Why don't you tell us how you bragged all summer 3 years ago that you were planning a trip "out of sight of land" but then never quite got around to it! How many times have you been 50 miles from your slip? Once, twice? How many times have you been out longer than two nights? Once? Did you see the shots of my boat sailing Monday....perfect weather lately! http://youtube.com/... And again you spam us with your commercial posts. |
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