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on occasion and the owners are happy. I only sailed the boat locally...nice boat for under 30K. And your opinion of offshore capability is based on ...? I just gave it to you. The new owners of the 34 sail it offshore. They've had no problems. You can also search the Hunter forums and see others who've taken the 34 offshore. Do some research. We sold and serviced the boat and it was not poorly built like later Hunters. I sailed a Hunter 34, both with the original owner and the person who bought it. True, it wasn't in 10 foot seas, but we had her out in a variety of conditions. So I had first hand experience and contact with her current owners. That's more than anyone else (thus far) had. The rest of your post is simply a troll so I won't respond to it. You can't turn this into ASA, Jeff....and I've promised several people here that I won't let that happen. Go boat-bashing elsewhere. Robert 35s5 NY |
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Why don't you tell us how you bragged all summer 3 years ago that you were planning a trip "out of sight of land" but then never quite got around to it! How many times have you been 50 miles from your slip? Once, twice? How many times have you been out longer than two nights? Once? So everyone knows you're not lying, please post where I "bragged" about a trip out of sight of land. I actually only asked about it. 50 miles from our slip? Plenty of times, but not this summer. Longer than two nights? Too many times to remember. Like I said, Jeff. You're a troll. My statement that the H34 can go offshore stands and no one is going to dispute it beyond saying there are better choices that MIGHT fit a sailor's budget and requirements. Going out for a sail now, Jeff. As usual you'll sit home. Next week I'll be delivering a Catalina 36 from Port Jeff to Sandy Hook. That'll be a nice sail, no? Bye! Robert 35s5 NY |
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Capt. Rob wrote:
The Hunter 34 can certainly go offshore safely. Capt Rob has taken a bit if flak as a result of posting the above statement. I think the reason is that we are using terms like "go offshore" pretty loosely since they can mean different things to different people. Does it mean a N. Atlantic crossing in winter, a trip down the coast or just getting out of the protected waters of your local bay? I know next to nothing about a Hunter 34, never having been aboard one, but I have owned a Catalina 30 and have owned my current boat, a Tayana 37, for over 5 years and have sailed both of these boats extensively. I suspect that my Catalina 30 was substantially similar in quality and perhaps a bit less able in its safe passage ability than the H34 since it was significantly smaller. We had the Catalina more than a 100 miles offshore on a few occasions without problems and the Hunter is no doubt perfectly capable of doing the same. These production boats are not built to take the beating that severe mid-ocean storms can lash out, but generally do just fine when cruising up and down the coast or doing short crossings during the seasons when fair weather prevails. The biggest problems we encountered with the Catalina were the lack of tankage and storage. |
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Jeff wrote:
snip Not really. Even though I've been on dozens of trips 10 times longer than your little hop, including being 50 miles offshore a number of times, I wouldn't presume to advise on the offshore capability of a vessel other than one I've actually sailed in heavy weather, on a real ocean. snip 50 miles offshore.....wow....was it bad.....did the boat tip..... http://www.rlyachts.net/index24.asp in that case this little boat is a world cruiser too. i have had this out in one of our (storms) fresh breeze to us broached surfing down a wave ...yes i was being and idiot but i was having a ball at the time from memory the forecast at the time 40 to 45 knot winds 3 meter swell with 2 to 3 meter waves.yes i was knackerd after wards sore bruised ribs ect does it stop me NO. when i had the cat's i was heading out when every one else was running for shelter. In my young years i used to help man the local rescue boat in winter (summer was easy) now that was a boat to puke your guts up in. Taught me the real pleasure of sailing the reason i have chosen the hunter tall rig is for its light breeze reputation in summer along the coast we have easterly in the morning swopping to a sea breeze (southwest by west southwest) in the afternoon this ranges from 2 to 5 knot through to 10 to 15k if it blows. Wind and waves do not bother me....reefs fog big tides yes that makes me very nervous and those great big slab sided things called container ships scare the **** outa me. P.S does the Indian ocean qualify as a REAL ocean |
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Capt Rob has taken a bit if flak as a result of posting the above statement. I think the reason is that we are using terms like "go offshore" pretty loosely since they can mean different things to different people. Dan, while this is true and obvious, Jeff is not interested in that. He's simply trolling. Of course a Hunter 34 can go offshore. And of course it's not going to ride like a Block Island 40 or a Pearson Wanderer for that matter. Jeff is only looking to attack me because I gave him hell on Alt.sailing.asa and now I'm here posting normally. His comment about a bunch of clowns laughing at the Hunter boats is all you need to hear. Utter nonsense. I've heard a lot of bad stuff about almost every make...even Swan. But the sheer and vast numbers of popular brands like Hunter makes for many more negative stories than companies which built fewer hulls. Even funnier, Jeff thinks we need to hear his story about laughing sailors, but my client's experience shouldn't be heard because I haven't sailed in big seas. I spoke to Shaun off this group...he was curious about why the broker on the 34 wasn't responding. I think they are worried he's a scammer. We get a lot of phoney overseas queries on boats...almost always fakes. He says there aren't any boats where he is that can offer what the H34 does at the price. Perhaps THAT is what needs to be examined more closely....? Robert 35s5 NY |
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Capt. Rob wrote:
on occasion and the owners are happy. I only sailed the boat locally...nice boat for under 30K. And your opinion of offshore capability is based on ...? I just gave it to you. The new owners of the 34 sail it offshore. They've had no problems. You can also search the Hunter forums and see others who've taken the 34 offshore. Do some research. We sold and serviced the boat and it was not poorly built like later Hunters. I sailed a Hunter 34, both with the original owner and the person who bought it. True, it wasn't in 10 foot seas, but we had her out in a variety of conditions. So I had first hand experience and contact with her current owners. That's more than anyone else (thus far) had. The rest of your post is simply a troll so I won't respond to it. You can't turn this into ASA, Jeff....and I've promised several people here that I won't let that happen. Go boat-bashing elsewhere. I haven't boat-bashed at all. In fact, I said nothing about Hunters until you pressed for my opinion. While I'm sure you can find examples of H34's that have gone outside of completely protected waters (certainly not with you aboard, however), you can also find a number of owners who talk about being overpowered in moderate wind, etc. One owner's comment: "Don't turn yore eyes for a second or you'll be 40 deg. off course. Then again, turns on a dime and makes change. Not an ocean cruiser. Structure probably OK, but just too light to fight heavy seas for more than a few hours." But I'm not here to boat-bash, anyone can read the boards to get opinions. I've bob-bashed. |
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The biggest problems we encountered with the Catalina were the lack of tankage and storage. The most common complaint about the Catalina 27 and 30 for bigger weather is the oversized companionway hatch. You really need to keep it secured. I knew one fellow who had a one piece slab of lexan held in place with SS pins on his C27. He had sailed the 27 to Florida from City Island several times. This is my Beneteau 35s5....next summer she'll finally get some short trips in, the 1st to Block Island and the second to Martha's Vineyard. I can't wait for Spring! http://hometown.aol.com/bobsprit/index.html Robert 35s5 NY |
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On 9 Nov 2006 08:03:52 -0800, "Capt. Rob" wrote:
The H34 is capable of going offshore No doubt. Is it capable of coming back? That's the real issue. They are designed for light weight coastal cruising and do a pretty good job of that, nothing more. With any boat it is important to get the best surveyor you can find and tell him exactly how you expect to use the boat. He can tell you whether it is suitable or not, and what upgrades it might need. Best money you'll ever spend. By all means do *not* get a surveyor recommended by the broker. It's better to go to a broker in a nearby area and ask them what surveyor they would use if *they* were buying a boat. I prefer using surveyors from out of town since there is a lot of incest in the business. |
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"Dan Best" wrote in message
... Capt. Rob wrote: The Hunter 34 can certainly go offshore safely. Capt Rob has taken a bit if flak as a result of posting the above statement. I think the reason is that we are using terms like "go offshore" pretty loosely since they can mean different things to different people. Does it mean a N. Atlantic crossing in winter, a trip down the coast or just getting out of the protected waters of your local bay? Dan, he's a troll... I'm sure that this statement will incite a number of replies of course. He's not a "Capt." either, btw. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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Capt. Rob wrote:
The most common complaint about the Catalina 27 and 30 for bigger weather is the oversized companionway hatch. A good point and something shared by most of the coastal cruiser production boats. Though we never got pooped in the Catalina, there were a couple of times we secured the lower 2 hatch boards in place "just in case". The heaviest weather we ever sailed it in was one night while crossing the Sea of Cortez to San Carlos over on the mainland side. We were told they were measuring 40+ knots in the protected harbor and I can vouch for the fact that it was blowing like snot out on the Sea. Perhaps my most vivid memory from that night was the spray blowing off the tops of the waves hitting the back of the hood of my foulies and sounding like firecrackers going off right behind my ears. We had the wind and waves a little forward of the beam, a triple reefed main and just a scrap of jib rolled out. The boat (and us) came through it like a champ. About dawn, the wind died as though someone threw a switch somewhere and we wound up motoring into San Carlos's beautiful harbor. Your 35s5 looks like a fun boat. We just completed a 2 year tour of the Pacific (Mex. Central America, Ecuador, Galapagos, Fr. Poly., Tonga, Hawaii and back to Calif.) 2 weeks ago in our Tayana. I'm way overdue updating the photo site, but if you're interested, check out http://triciajean192.home.comcast.net. The photo of us underway at the top of the site was taken off the coast of Guatemala by our friends Frank & Shirley on Windsong, an Islander Freeport (38', I think) that also had that oversize companionway hatch that so many boats have. They had been wandering around Baja, the Mexican mainland and Central America for several years when we met them. The last email I received from them, that had gone through the Panama Canal and were going to be heading for the Carribean. |
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Dan Best wrote:
Also, no one has pointed out the obvious, so I'll go ahead and do so. The purpose of a sea trial is to get the boat on the water, exercise all it's systems and verify what works and doesn't work. Get the sails up so you can see how they set, try the boat on all points of sail in an attempt to detect problems in it's handling, etc. In my limited experience buying boats, this is not a relaxed "day on the bay", but rather a quick businesslike checkout of the boat and it's systems. Yes, exactly... except it can take most of a day, with a boat that has more than just a few simple systems on board. .... You should be treating it as an opportunity to discover things that are wrong with the boat that can be used to either beat the owner down on the price or to cause you to walk (run?) away from the deal. Also to check how all the systems were installed; for example do the vented loops actually break a siphon (best done at dockside), and if there is a raw water feed to the pacjing gland, does it actually flow? How hot does the gland get when run at full power (for that matter, what about the engine & tranny)? Do any of the electronics affect the compass? This can be very important for boats with an autopilot! Any quirks in the running rigging? How about all the sails? Better hoist & set every single one of them. Reefing gear? This is one reason to bring along a captain, so that the seller (if he comes along) can show the buyer how everything works, without either having the distraction of trying to drive the boat at the same time. DSK |
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oly., Tonga, Hawaii and back to Calif.) 2 weeks ago in our Tayana. I'm way overdue updating the photo site, but if you're interested, check out Dan....awesome!!! You've had some real adventures. I'm a big fan of the Tayana boats. For a while, and for no practical reason, I considered buying the pilot house version of the Tayana 37. I've got a thing for the looking of PH boats, though your boat is equally beautiful. A friend currently owns a blue-hulled Tayana 48 DS...but I much prefer the older designs. Robert 35s5 NY |
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shaun wrote:
Jeff wrote: snip Not really. Even though I've been on dozens of trips 10 times longer than your little hop, including being 50 miles offshore a number of times, I wouldn't presume to advise on the offshore capability of a vessel other than one I've actually sailed in heavy weather, on a real ocean. snip 50 miles offshore.....wow....was it bad.....did the boat tip..... Not very likely. Actually I had more offshore experience in previous (and other person's) boats. Now I travel with wife and kid; they're not as fond of slugging through weather in the middle of the night as I used to be. http://www.rlyachts.net/index24.asp in that case this little boat is a world cruiser too. i have had this out in one of our (storms) fresh breeze to us broached surfing down a wave ...yes i was being and idiot but i was having a ball at the time from memory the forecast at the time 40 to 45 knot winds 3 meter swell with 2 to 3 meter waves.yes i was knackerd after wards sore bruised ribs ect does it stop me NO. If this is what you consider an offshore boat why are you asking about Hunters? .... Wind and waves do not bother me....reefs fog big tides yes that makes me very nervous and those great big slab sided things called container ships scare the **** outa me. P.S does the Indian ocean qualify as a REAL ocean Here in New England we don't have reefs, but do have rocks, lots of fog, and big tides. The container ships we send to New York. The North Atlantic counts as a real ocean too, but most of us stay off it during the winter. |
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Dan, he's a troll... I'm sure that this statement will incite a number of replies of course. He's not a "Capt." either, btw. Dan, Jonathan Ganz is a troll from ASA who, along with several others, followed me here from there to try to prevent any sailing discussion. Watch and see who posts what. Cheers, Robert 35s5 NY |
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Capt. Rob wrote:
Why don't you tell us how you bragged all summer 3 years ago that you were planning a trip "out of sight of land" but then never quite got around to it! How many times have you been 50 miles from your slip? Once, twice? How many times have you been out longer than two nights? Once? So everyone knows you're not lying, please post where I "bragged" about a trip out of sight of land. Bob claims he never brags about trips he plans to take. All of these are from different posts: "One of the trips we're thinking of doing is a Nowhere-Trip" "That's pretty much what we were told....We talked about it last night. Suzanne is excited by the idea. Spindrift has radar, epirb, 3 vhf radios, radar reflector and so on....we'd use it. That what it's there for. We'd try to pick a safe weather window. " "Someday? This summer we will take Alien out of sight of land. " And here we get 2 for the price of 1: "We are also planning our cruise to nowhere straight offshore in about 4 weeks. I'm really looking forward to that. We'll head out and away until we lose sight of NY/NJ and sail back. We're also looking into the Around LI Race, but we have yet to secure a proper liferaft as required. I suppose we could just "race" without entering officially, which we may do." "This summer we plan to do the around LI race, block island and our cruise to nowhere. " BTW, while looking I found what Bob really thinks of Hunters. And he calls me a "boat-basher"? "Just so lurkers are not misled, Hunter is much like Bayliner. They build very cheap boats for people who won't or can't spend on the quality stuff." "Hunter and Beneteau have built some of the cheapest and ugly boats. Hunter continues with ugly designs while Beneteau builds a fast, but way-cheap product. There are far better boats out there so keep looking. " "Up to a point. While they rival Beneteau is cheapness, at least the Beneteau boats sail well. Even Mac26x owners seem to live in a world of pain, knowing they bought at the bottom, but Beneteau and Hunter owners are dilusional, thinking they own good boats. " "At one point I was interested in the Hunter line. I read up on the history of the boats, spoke to people on the web and at clubs about new models and old. I have friends that work in yards as well as doing special surveys. It didn;t take long to learn that the Hunter is terribly built. Beyond that it's one of the ugliest things on the water." "Don't choose a passionless design from Hunter as they are mere marketing objects. Beyond very light cruising it will dissapoint you in many respects. " "Like the Coronado's and Bucaneer's, people will look back on thier Hunter's and Mac26x's and say, 'It seemed a good idea at the time.'" I actually only asked about it. 50 miles from our slip? Plenty of times, but not this summer. Plenty of times? Even your trip to The Thimbles was under 50 miles. Your trip to NJ probably wasn't that far, as the sea gull flies. So what are we left with? One trip to Gull Island. I guess in your mind that's "plenty of times." And as everyone knows by now, if you left the dock at all, everyone has to hear about it! Longer than two nights? Too many times to remember. sure thing, Bob. Sleeping at the slip doesn't count. Like I said, Jeff. I'm a troll. Bob was proud of his record of trolling on ASA. While most of us tried to be at least somewhat civil, Bob was proud of his pathological lying. He bashed everyone's boat, while he bragged incessantly about his possessions. Now he's trying to say none of that really happened. |
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Charlie Morgan wrote:
Porta-bote! I see you changed out the oarlocks. Good move. Yeah, after using that 12' Porta-Bote almost everyday for 2 years in the tropical sun, we've got some pretty strong opinions about it. Most of them positive and a couple negative. Overall, we are very happy with it and I really can't see us ever going back to an inflatable. I've posted detailed reviews on the Bote here and other places, so I won't go into detail except to correct something I said in an early post (a couple of years ago). Back then, I said that getting into it from the water was more difficult than getting into our inflatable Avon. I was wrong. We just hadn't figured out the technique yet. After getting back into it after snorkeling untold dozens of times, I can now state definitively that they are just as easy to get into from the water using a couple of different techniques. |
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Dan, he's a troll...
Dan, (the other guy) is a troll... In the couple of weeks I've been back, I've seen valid comments from just about everybody as well as some irritating "he's a troll/no he's a troll" bickering. That, quite frankly, I'd just as soon do without. A lot of it seems hang on the questioning of someone's credentials. As far as I'm concerned, it doesn't matter. I don't care whether someone taught the Pardeys everything they know or is just beginning. I've learned something from people at both ends of the experience spectrum and like to think that a few people have benefited from what I've had to say from time to time. Good advice is good advice and there are enough people hanging out here that bad advice will be challenged and fail to be accepted. In fact there are enough contrary people here that good advise is often challenged. The difference is in whether or not it stands up to the challenge and is generally accepted by the group as sound. Claiming that someone can't have a valid opinion because he's never been out of sight of land or doesn't have a captain's license is a pretty poor way to debate an issue in my opinion. Tell the original poster why you think (don't think) a hunter 34 is a good offshore boat. If you wanna bash each other personally, I'd just as soon you took it offline. Better yet, trade land addresses so you can get together and really duke it out. Let me know when and where and I'll even sell tickets to the event and split the proceeds with you (grin). |
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I concur :)
"Dan Best" wrote in message ... Dan, he's a troll... Dan, (the other guy) is a troll... In the couple of weeks I've been back, I've seen valid comments from just about everybody as well as some irritating "he's a troll/no he's a troll" bickering. That, quite frankly, I'd just as soon do without. A lot of it seems hang on the questioning of someone's credentials. As far as I'm concerned, it doesn't matter. I don't care whether someone taught the Pardeys everything they know or is just beginning. I've learned something from people at both ends of the experience spectrum and like to think that a few people have benefited from what I've had to say from time to time. Good advice is good advice and there are enough people hanging out here that bad advice will be challenged and fail to be accepted. In fact there are enough contrary people here that good advise is often challenged. The difference is in whether or not it stands up to the challenge and is generally accepted by the group as sound. Claiming that someone can't have a valid opinion because he's never been out of sight of land or doesn't have a captain's license is a pretty poor way to debate an issue in my opinion. Tell the original poster why you think (don't think) a hunter 34 is a good offshore boat. If you wanna bash each other personally, I'd just as soon you took it offline. Better yet, trade land addresses so you can get together and really duke it out. Let me know when and where and I'll even sell tickets to the event and split the proceeds with you (grin). |
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Was it mentioned that you'll want your surveyor along for
the sea trial? Sorry, if I'm repeating. SBV "DSK" wrote in message .. . Dan Best wrote: Also, no one has pointed out the obvious, so I'll go ahead and do so. The purpose of a sea trial is to get the boat on the water, exercise all it's systems and verify what works and doesn't work. Get the sails up so you can see how they set, try the boat on all points of sail in an attempt to detect problems in it's handling, etc. In my limited experience buying boats, this is not a relaxed "day on the bay", but rather a quick businesslike checkout of the boat and it's systems. Yes, exactly... except it can take most of a day, with a boat that has more than just a few simple systems on board. .... You should be treating it as an opportunity to discover things that are wrong with the boat that can be used to either beat the owner down on the price or to cause you to walk (run?) away from the deal. Also to check how all the systems were installed; for example do the vented loops actually break a siphon (best done at dockside), and if there is a raw water feed to the pacjing gland, does it actually flow? How hot does the gland get when run at full power (for that matter, what about the engine & tranny)? Do any of the electronics affect the compass? This can be very important for boats with an autopilot! Any quirks in the running rigging? How about all the sails? Better hoist & set every single one of them. Reefing gear? This is one reason to bring along a captain, so that the seller (if he comes along) can show the buyer how everything works, without either having the distraction of trying to drive the boat at the same time. DSK |
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"Jeff" wrote in message . .. As it turns out, my final decision to buy the PDQ was when sailing one in nice breeze (16+ kts) and passing a Hunter 34 as we got hit by a puff. Was that during a test sail? Did they charge you for it? How much? Scotty |
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"Dan Best" wrote in message ... . Better yet, trade land addresses so you can get together and really duke it out. Let me know when and where and I'll even sell tickets to the event and split the proceeds with you (grin). been there, done that, the so called ''Capt'' Rob chickened out and never showed up. SBV |
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So now You're gonna act like a child in here and be a troll just like him
with no consideration for anybody else? "Scotty" wrote in message . .. "Dan Best" wrote in message ... . Better yet, trade land addresses so you can get together and really duke it out. Let me know when and where and I'll even sell tickets to the event and split the proceeds with you (grin). been there, done that, the so called ''Capt'' Rob chickened out and never showed up. SBV |
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Claiming that someone can't have a valid opinion because he's never been out of sight of land or doesn't have a captain's license is a pretty poor way to debate an issue in my opinion. Dan, that's pretty much the MO of a lot of sailors online. The funny thing is that in their world, the pond sailor is laughed at by the lake sailor, the lake sailor is looked down on by the coastal sailor and the blue water sailor laughs at everyone. Well, that's "their" world. I know folks who sail on lakes and ya know, they seem to enjoy their boats just fine. Now, I'll stay on topic after this and leave it be. I was the driving force (such as it was) on ASA by posting silly sailing stuff. Sometimes great sailing discussion came out of it. But I left ASA. Enough is enough. As you can see these folks will leech onto any threat I start or participate in. They can't help it. Look at ASA. Virtually no sailing chat since I left. And that's a fact even poor Scotty would have to admit to. Robert 35s5 NY |
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"Broker Bob" wrote in message oups.com.. .. Dan, that's pretty much the MO of a lot of sailors online. The funny thing is that in their world, the pond sailor is laughed at by the lake sailor, the lake sailor is looked down on by the coastal sailor and the blue water sailor laughs at everyone. Well, that's "their" world. I know folks who sail on lakes and ya know, they seem to enjoy their boats just fine. Dan, there was one big jerk on ASA who constantly put down other peoples boats. You want to guess who that was? Hint: he's not a *real* Capt. SBV |
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charlie morgan is another piece of ****, white trash, scum
sucking troll. "Charlie Morgan" wrote in message ... On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 13:43:27 -0800, Dan Best wrote: Dan, he's a troll... Dan, (the other guy) is a troll... In the couple of weeks I've been back, I've seen valid comments from just about everybody as well as some irritating "he's a troll/no he's a troll" bickering. That, quite frankly, I'd just as soon do without. A lot of it seems hang on the questioning of someone's credentials. As far as I'm concerned, it doesn't matter. I don't care whether someone taught the Pardeys everything they know or is just beginning. I've learned something from people at both ends of the experience spectrum and like to think that a few people have benefited from what I've had to say from time to time. Good advice is good advice and there are enough people hanging out here that bad advice will be challenged and fail to be accepted. In fact there are enough contrary people here that good advise is often challenged. The difference is in whether or not it stands up to the challenge and is generally accepted by the group as sound. Claiming that someone can't have a valid opinion because he's never been out of sight of land or doesn't have a captain's license is a pretty poor way to debate an issue in my opinion. Tell the original poster why you think (don't think) a hunter 34 is a good offshore boat. If you wanna bash each other personally, I'd just as soon you took it offline. Better yet, trade land addresses so you can get together and really duke it out. Let me know when and where and I'll even sell tickets to the event and split the proceeds with you (grin). Well said, Dan. CWM |
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Hi, Charlie, and Dan,
Charlie Morgan wrote: Porta-bote! I see you changed out the oarlocks. Good move. CWM See my gallery for more on that: http://justpickone.org/skip/gallery/..._Modifications - where I added sculling rowlocks for use with my 10' sculling oars. See the archives for discussion, but they work quite nicely under the circumstances. Dan wrote about boarding from the water: Dan, please share your technique for re-entry on snorkeling, as I'd sure love to be able to use ours as our snorkeling vehicle, too, and not just the sports car of the dinks. Do you carry yours assembled, or, if not, how do you deal with limited flat space for assembly - and where do you stow it and the seats/transom? How's the black marking from the tubes been? Thanks. L8R Skip, getting much closer to sea trials (see separate post) Morgan 461 #2 SV Flying Pig KI4MPC See our galleries at www.justpickone.org/skip/gallery! Follow us at http://groups.google.com/group/flyingpiglog and/or http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheFlyingPigLog "And then again, when you sit at the helm of your little ship on a clear night, and gaze at the countless stars overhead, and realize that you are quite alone on a great, wide sea, it is apt to occur to you that in the general scheme of things you are merely an insignificant speck on the surface of the ocean; and are not nearly so important or as self-sufficient as you thought you were. Which is an exceedingly wholesome thought, and one that may effect a permanent change in your deportment that will be greatly appreciated by your friends."- James S. Pitkin |
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Capt. Rob wrote: Dan, he's a troll... I'm sure that this statement will incite a number of replies of course. He's not a "Capt." either, btw. Dan, Jonathan Ganz is a troll from ASA who, along with several others, followed me here from there to try to prevent any sailing discussion. Watch and see who posts what. Bobby is a troll. His sailing experience is minimal and his offshore experience nonexistent. His technical & mechanical skills would be derisory provided you were feeling generous and wanted to compliment him. And before he posts his std reply to criticism - I've been on r.b.c longer than a.s.a, and other groups like rec.crafts.metalworking for over 10 years. Back to the orig qestion - I think Shaun is looking for confirmation because it appears he's already decided to buy the Hunter. What the hell,Shaun. Pick the weather, you can coast-hop north without probs in anything. The tidal currents north of Broome mean that almost any sailboat is gonna have probs so how big an engine do you have and what's the speed over ground fighting an 8 knot tidal current? From Darwin it's an easy run west to Indonesia, Christmas Island, Cocos group or over to the Chagos. Coming home is where I'd be a bit concerned - the westerlies may not treat that tall rig & relatively lightweight hull construction all that kindly, but what the hell - if that's what you want, do it. PDW - who lives south of 42 S |
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On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 23:37:38 GMT, wrote:
A Canadian Navy frigate is presently on its way to rescue another Canadian Sailboat at about 650 miles south of Yarmouth Nova Scotia. It is reported that the winds are very strong and the sea rough enough for the Frigate to use storm tactics and to proceed with caution. This is a really lousy time of year to be on the North Atlantic. I can't understand why people do it. Taking the Chesapeake and ICW to Beaufort, NC is a much safer route south, but you still need a decent weather window to leave from there. |
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On Thu, 9 Nov 2006 18:42:57 -0500, "Scotty"
wrote: charlie morgan is another piece of ****, white trash, scum sucking troll. I would prefer you take a more balanced approach and list some of his bad points as well. |
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Jeff wrote in
: Daysailing from City Island does not make you an expert on offshore cruising in Western Australia. I've never been offshore of Western Oz, either, but I've heard the screaming for help on the HF marine band when propagation is right.... I wouldn't want to be in anything but a real HEAVY cruiser out there.... Larry -- Halloween candy left over..... Is there a downside? |
hunter 34... broker
Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 23:37:38 GMT, wrote: A Canadian Navy frigate is presently on its way to rescue another Canadian Sailboat at about 650 miles south of Yarmouth Nova Scotia. It is reported that the winds are very strong and the sea rough enough for the Frigate to use storm tactics and to proceed with caution. This is a really lousy time of year to be on the North Atlantic. I can't understand why people do it. Taking the Chesapeake and ICW to Beaufort, NC is a much safer route south, but you still need a decent weather window to leave from there. Nova Scotia is about equal distance from Bermuda as is the coastline of the US. Simpliest and fastest way is just to sail due south....assuming you don't run into heavy weather. |
Porta-Bote (long)
Hi Skip, good to be able to "talk" to you again.
Skip Gundlach wrote: Dan, please share your technique for re-entry on snorkeling,... Entering from the water: First, take your weight belt off if you are wearing one (us fat people find it easier to snorkel while wearing enough weight to make us neutrally buoyant) and drop it over the side into the Bote and swim up to the bow of the boat. Position yourself just to one side or the other of the bow, not straight on. Method 1: (I use this one) Reach up and over the side of the boat and grab the black rail of the far side as far aft as you can reach with the near hand (I board the stbd side, so facing aft, that is my right hand grabbing the port rail). Let yourself slip back down into the water and with a big scissor kick while pulling up, lift your chest up over the near rail. Readjust your reach so that you are once again grabbing the opposite rail as far aft as you can and with a little scissor kick and pulling the far rail, slither further into the boat until you are laying face down on the seats. Turn over and take your fins off. Method 2: (my wife uses this one - might have something to do with having breasts). Take one fin off while still in the water, tie a loop into the bow line to place your foot into to use as a step and proceed as in method one. Note: do not pull on the near rail. This places way too much force on the pin that holds the forward seat in place. Do you carry yours assembled.. No, never. We do tow it a lot if we are just doing a day sail to the next anchorage. Only once did this cause a problem when the wind and waves got to the point where it started surfing down the waves and taking on water when it buried its bow into the next wave. Experience will tell you when to tow and when to recover it onto deck. This photo shows it with the cover we made for it and how we stored it on the stbd side of the deck, on the coachroof: http://dsbestone.home.comcast.net/03-Cruising.jpg This worked really well for us. if not, how do you deal with limited flat space for assembly 1 - Remove forward stbd dorade vent cowling (if we don't, things can catch on it). 2 - Adjust the staysail topping lift so that the top of the staysail as it sits on the staysail boom with the cover on (http://dsbestone.home.comcast.net/19-Chute.jpg might help you visualize this) is at the same height as the lifelines. 3 - Untie the Bote from the strong points that it is secured to. 4 - Tie the end of the spinnaker halyard onto the balance point of the Porta-Bote and lift it about a foot into the air. 5 - Swing it forward and around and drop it so that the bow hangs over the port lifeline, the center of the boat sits on the staysail and leave enough room at the stern of the Bote so that you can get past it. 6 - With one person on each side of the Bote, remove the spin. halyard, untie the sail tie holding the boat in the folded position and unfold the bote, placing the center seat into position. This step can be done alone, but is much easier with two people. It is the only step in the assembly that is significantly faster with a helper. 7 - Insert the forward and aft seats. 8 - Install the transom. 9 - Slide the bote over the stbd lifeline, aft first into the water. This usually results in a quart or two of water getting in the boat - no big deal. 10 - Tie the bote up along side and put the oars, gas tank and bailer into it. 11 - Get into the boat, extend the center bails of all three seats into position so the bottom of the hull now has a slight V shape. You can do this before launching the bote, but it is much easier waiting until it is in the water. 12 - Take the bote back to the outboard hoist and with one of you working the hoist and one in the bote, lower the outboard (we use a Mercury 4-stroke 6HP) into place. Note that I tried to be as detailed as possible in my description. As a result, it looks like a complicated procedure. In reality, it is simplicity itself, requires no heavy musculature effort and about the 3rd time you do it, you find that it only takes a few minutes. where do you stow seats/transom? The stern and center seats stow under the bote on the coach roof. During short passages (up to a week), the transom stows just forward of the dodger If you look closely in this photo, you can see it up the http://triciajean192.home.comcast.ne...2-05-04-07.JPG The forward seat would stow on the port side of the coachroof, opposite the Bote and just forward of the life raft. On long passages, the transom and forward seat would be stowed inside in the quarter berth. How's the black marking from the tubes been? This was never a problem. Problems we had: - As you know, we had to have new seats made when the original ones failed (I understand that Porta-Bote has redesigned them, but I have never seen or used the new ones, so I can't comment on them). One was made from Mahogany in La Paz and the other two from a local wood in El Salvadore. All were painted white and as far as I am concerned, this is the only way to go. Those black plastic seats would get real hot in the tropical sun. - The flotation foam along the inside rails deteriorated badly in the sun. Another boat made covers for theirs and I wish we had. - The oars that came with the boat failed (one blade broke while pulling through some surf an the other slowly deformed into a cupped shape). Also, the fittings on the oars rusted badly. We replaced them with these (http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs...allpartial/0/0) and liked them a lot even though the springs in the gizmos that make them adjustable rusted out to nothing. We replaced the gizmos with SS bolts and thumbscrews and had no further problems. - Several of the pop rivets holding the oarlocks and seat brackets failed. They were replaced with SS bolts and nuts without further problem. - Our transom is now severely warped and I will be making a new one before we go out again. I understand that they now ship a foam filled plastic one. Ours is plywood with flotation foam glued to one side. I want to stress that the problems we and others experienced are just the sort of normal stuff that you have to deal with while cruising and none of them were show stoppers. In our minds, the benefits of the Porta-Bote far outweigh the problems. Final note. We started with a 3.5 hp 2-stroke Nissan. This worked OK, but with both of in the bote, was kinda slow. While in Zihuatanejo, we bought the Merc 6HP 4-stroke. At 55 lbs, this outboard is actually a couple of pounds above the max recommended weight (53 lbs). Coupled with the fact that I am a big guy meant that when just sitting still in the water, we didn't have a whole lot of freeboard at the transom (when I remake it, I think I will be able to get an inch or two more). However, we liked this outboard so much that when it got stolen in El Salvador, we bought another identical one the first chance we had (Costa Rica). With just one of us, it would get up on a full plane and really fly along. With both of plus stuff in the Bote, it almost planed and went what we felt was plenty fast for getting around. Fast enough that we would take it exploring up to about 5 miles away from the boat. BTW, we also added the Davis Doel wing (http://www.davisnet.com/marine/produ....asp?grp=m18-2) which resulted in a noticable performance increase. |
hunter 34... broker
On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 04:15:06 GMT, Don White
wrote: Nova Scotia is about equal distance from Bermuda as is the coastline of the US. Simpliest and fastest way is just to sail due south....assuming you don't run into heavy weather. Bad assumption this time of year. Those cold fronts and low pressure systems keep rolling out of the north east just like clockwork. No thanks, there's no where to hide once you're out there. |
Porta-Bote (long)
Dan Best wrote in news:455411f5$0$34580
: if not, how do you deal with limited flat space for assembly On Lionheart, we store the Portabote flat against the port rail, out of the way, upside down so it drains. Lionheart has solid handrails, though, so this might not work for others. To assemble, clip a mast halyard to the yoke on the bow of the Bote. Take a couple of turns around one of the self-tailing mast winches to use for a brake then around the anchor windlass drum, because I'm lazy and like electrical power gadgets (Tool Time, Ar, Ar!) Winch the Bote bow up until the stern is just clear the deck, hanging from the mast. Fold her out inserting stern/seats and bolt them all down so she looks like a boat hanging from a mast. Swing her out over the handrail, right side up, of course, and release the halyard around the winch to ease her into the water. If you're docked, you can release the halyard clip as she goes over and switch to the bow dockline we leave on her so you can walk her around aft to the boarding ladder to load her up. We keep her motor by the boarding ladder and use the mizzen boom for a motor lift which drops her motor right onto her stern so easy...(c; The mizzen boom also makes a great sea painter to hold her away from the hull if you're anchored out and don't want her banging the hull, waking you up. Just trail her out behind the boom in any current/wind, but close enough to board. By the way, that was MY idea of building her and taking her apart hauled up the mast....(c; It's so easy to hold her off the rail while bringing her aboard without straining anything. A piece of tape around the halyard where it goes around the winch resets the proper length so when you ease her aboard she ends up stern 6" off the deck so you don't scratch up the pretty gelcoat while laying her against the forward end of the mast. One can do it, but it's almost sinfully easy with two. After all, someone has got to press the UP button on the windlass, right?...(c; Larry -- Halloween candy left over..... Is there a downside? |
Porta-Bote
"Skip Gundlach" wrote:
Dan, please share your technique for re-entry on snorkeling, as I'd sure love to be able to use ours as our snorkeling vehicle, too, and not just the sports car of the dinks. Ditto. When I tried to get in from the water, I swamped it completely. Do you carry yours assembled, or, if not, how do you deal with limited flat space for assembly - and where do you stow it and the seats/transom? How's the black marking from the tubes been? We stow ours along the lifelines folded - people think it is a surfboard. Bob made a Sunbrella bag for the seats and transom, with a smaller drawstring bag attached for the little screws etc. We just put the bag on the deck somewhere and tie it down. It doesn't have to be a flat part of the deck. We can assemble it on the foredeck (2 of us) without too much problem, but most of the time we do it on the dock before we are going to use it. |
Porta-Bote
I thought long and hard about buying the Porta bote and finally got to try a friends early in the season. Here's what I found compared to my inflatable: 1) Porta Bote has far more performance per HP. Even a 4HP really moves it nicely. 2) Far more stable than typical hard dinks. 3) Folds flat, but not easily hidden, even on our 35.5 footer. 4) 10 foot model is fine for 2 people and some gear, but 3 people is pretty much the limit. 5) Sets up in about half the time it takes to inflate typical inflatables. 6) More space inside than inflatable And the inflatable.... 1) Our inflatable requires a 9.9 to come near the performance of the Porta Bote 2) Our inflatable is far more stable than the porta bote and everyone has an easy time boarding it compared to the Porta bote. 3) Our inflatable carries more than double what the porta bote can. Carries 4 good sized people with no problem at all. 4) Our inflatable stowes away completely and easily (air deck), which is a good thing. 5) The inflatable is better looking. Porta Botes are not attractive. 6) Easier to stow on deck assembled. I didn't try towing the porta bote. We are sticking with the inflatable, at least for now! I do see buying a Porta bote down the road....they are cool for faster runs with little HP, which is good for occasional fishing. http://members.aol.com/bobsprit/images/dinkedweb.jpg We traded the 8 HP for a tiny 3.7 hp. No planning, but easier on my wife. Robert Beneteau First 35s5 NY |
hunter 34
"Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Thu, 9 Nov 2006 18:42:57 -0500, "Scotty" wrote: charlie morgan is another piece of ****, white trash, scum sucking troll. I would prefer you take a more balanced approach and list some of his bad points as well. well, he is fair, he not only attacks the poster but also the poster's wife and Mother as well. SBV |
hunter 34... broker
wrote:
.... A Canadian Navy frigate is presently on its way to rescue another Canadian Sailboat at about 650 miles south of Yarmouth Nova Scotia. It is reported that the winds are very strong and the sea rough enough for the Frigate to use storm tactics and to proceed with caution. One of the tactics used is to point into the wind with the engine geared at the proper speed until the worst is over. I just received this email from close friends who had spent the summer in Shelburne, and sewed a new dodger for the boat: News clipping from Canadian Globe and Mail which details the trial of our friends from Shelburne. Rochelle 4 is the boat we did all the sewing for. According to our sources they were rolled and dismasted in winds 40-50 SE and seas to 24 ft. Sheila broke her arm in the rollover. The boat was a 47 ft Erickson, flush deck, 80's era substantial IOR offshore racer. All are experienced sailors. They had put a lot of work into the boat it is sad to see them have to leave it but in the circumstances I think it the correct decision. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl.../National/home We learned of this as the rescue was happening. Very strange to be enjoying a nice sail down the Chesapeake while our friends were in a survival situation. More later. |
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