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Newport 30 / Catalina 30 for ofshoresailing
Can anybody help me with the following.
We are new to northamerican sailboats, but have done a lot of sailing in Denmark where the market a dominated by Swedish boats. We want to go from Vancouver Island to Caribien and don't really know what is good boat for the trip.Any tip or suggestion welcome Thanks Jim |
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Newport 30 / Catalina 30 for ofshoresailing
Cape Dory 30 or greater will take you nearly anywhere in style and class if
it is in decent shape. They were built for blue water, not just daysailing outside the breakwater. Check out the Cape Dory web site: http://www.toolworks.com/capedory/bboard/index.html Keep on sailing, Ken Coit S/V Parfait Raleigh, NC "Dan Best" wrote in message ... I can't say anything aout the Newport 30, but I used to own a Catalina 30 and know of at least one that went to Australia on her own bottom. I'm not sure that I'd do that, but I did do extensive coastal cruising. Our longest trip was from SF Bay down around the tip of Baja and up into the Sea Of Cortez - a total of two months. Here's a photo us us crossing the Mexican border http://rangerbest.home.comcast.net/sc-600-400.JPG The two biggest negatives we found were the minimal tankage (16 gal fuel, 18 gal water - note all the fuel jugs stored on deck in the photo) and lack of immediately accessable storage (lockers, drawers, etc.). There were a few large storage areas and whenever you wanted anything, whether a can of condensed milk or a deck of cards, it was always on the bottom of a lot of other stuff. Also, that trip down from the Pacific NW can be a rough one. Assuming the boat/rigging/sails are in good shape it can take it (our worst was a 40 kt gale w/ 8-9 ft square waves), but the motion of a boat that light can be really uncomfortable when things get rough. Good luck - Dan jens teglman wrote: Can anybody help me with the following. We are new to northamerican sailboats, but have done a lot of sailing in Denmark where the market a dominated by Swedish boats. We want to go from Vancouver Island to Caribien and don't really know what is good boat for the trip.Any tip or suggestion welcome Thanks Jim -- Dan Best - (707) 431-1662, Healdsburg, CA 95448 http://home.attbi.com/~rangerbest/TriciaJean.JPG Tayana 37 #192, "Tricia Jean" |
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Newport 30 / Catalina 30 for ofshoresailing
On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 22:26:35 GMT, "jens teglman"
wrote: Can anybody help me with the following. We are new to northamerican sailboats, but have done a lot of sailing in Denmark where the market a dominated by Swedish boats. We want to go from Vancouver Island to Caribien and don't really know what is good boat for the trip.Any tip or suggestion welcome Thanks Jim There's nothing wrong with Newports or Catalinas but I think even the owners would agree that they are not offshore boats, but decent coastal waters sailers. They are too light and too open...have you seen the size of the companionway and cabin in a Catalina 30? and although I doubt they would sink in under 50 knots, I bet they would provide an uncomfortable and potentially dangerous ride. I also do not think that the hardware and rigging on such popular production boats is sufficient for offshore. You would be better with a 30 year old North American design, if only because before the mid-'70s they were overbuilt. Come to think of it, I see a lot of '70s boats still, and not as many '80s boats, and then more '90s and later boats. I am under the impression that economic factors that saw a lot of North American boat builders close in the '80s led to a lot of shortcuts and quality compromises in many manufacturers' vessels. R. |
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Newport 30 / Catalina 30 for ofshoresailing
Come to think of it, I see a lot of '70s boats still, and not as many
'80s boats, and then more '90s and later boats. I am under the impression that economic factors that saw a lot of North American boat builders close in the '80s led to a lot of shortcuts and quality compromises in many manufacturers' vessels. R. No no no no.... most USA boat builders shut down, went out of business or went bankrupt when the socialist/democrat US congress during the late 80s decided to penalize the filthy rich "yacht" owners by imposing a yearly "boat tax" .... immediately followed by approx. 30,000 boat workers losing their jobs when hardly anybody bought any boats! The infamous 'boat tax' was rescinded after about 4 years but the US recreational boat building industry had been virtually been destroyed and still hasn't fully recovered .... 'furriners' have since taken a major portion of that market share. |
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Newport 30 / Catalina 30 for ofshoresailing
RichH wrote:
Come to think of it, I see a lot of '70s boats still, and not as many '80s boats, and then more '90s and later boats. I am under the impression that economic factors that saw a lot of North American boat builders close in the '80s led to a lot of shortcuts and quality compromises in many manufacturers' vessels. R. No no no no.... most USA boat builders shut down, went out of business or went bankrupt when the socialist/democrat US congress during the late 80s decided to penalize the filthy rich "yacht" owners by imposing a yearly "boat tax" .... immediately followed by approx. 30,000 boat workers losing their jobs when hardly anybody bought any boats! The infamous 'boat tax' was rescinded after about 4 years but the US recreational boat building industry had been virtually been destroyed and still hasn't fully recovered .... 'furriners' have since taken a major portion of that market share. BINGO! That )(*!$!! "luxury" tax killed the industry! Come to think about it, that was about the time they had those decals where every "yacht" owner had to pay an extra tax each year. I believe my 21' Macgregor had a "B" or "2" decal on it, so some pretty small yachts were taxed. But that tax happened, according to a quick web search, in 90 or '91, repealed in '93. Other events killed many companies in the late 70s and the 80s. It was at least partly an economic down turn. The same forces have been blamed for lower quality glass (as has a fire-retardent requirement). -- Jere Lull Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD) Xan's Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
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Newport 30 / Catalina 30 for ofshoresailing
Same thing is going to happen to the pharmaceutical/biotech industry
when Hillary gets elected in 2008. When she opened her moth in '93 most all the foreign venture capital was retracted from the US and most viable and wonderful projects left the USA for Belgium, France, Switzerland, etc. About 40-50,000 Pharm workers were destroyed in the following 3 weeks of her 'rant'. Going to happen again, its inevitable ..... sad real, real sad. |
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Newport 30 / Catalina 30 for ofshoresailing
"jens teglman" wrote...
Can anybody help me with the following. We are new to northamerican sailboats, but have done a lot of sailing in Denmark where the market a dominated by Swedish boats. We want to go from Vancouver Island to Caribien and don't really know what is good boat for the trip.Any tip or suggestion welcome Thanks Jim My $.02 about your question, rather than commentary on the U.S. political system... Most people will tell you neither boat is adequate for your intentions. Me, I'd be willing to do it in a Catalina; I'd prefer something else, but I'd do it in a Catalina. I would *not* cruise with my family in a Newport, even in the Caribbean. At the other end of the spectrum, I disagree with the people who recommend heavy, full-keel boats. Low D/L ratio, high aspect ratio... that's the way to go. YMMV, Frank |
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Newport 30 / Catalina 30 for ofshoresailing
Can't speak about the Catalina,,,,,, but I can about the Newport. No
way! And from what I saw, I wouldn't go offshore any farther than I could swim. Watched a guy [owner] in a boatyard fixing blisters on his Newport 30. As he ground the fiberglass down to "good" glass he found that whoever did the fiberglass layup when it was built left huge areas where the resin didn't penetrate the fiberglass. He ended up grinding all the way through to the interior, and had two areas where his "hole" was the size of a basketball before he got to good glass. Cost him nearly $20,000 to fix a $10,000 boat. Go with an "early" [60's & early 70's] fiberglass boat when they didn't know much about fiberglass so they overbuilt them with really thick layups. Islander, Pearson, Cape Dory, Alberg, Columbia, Rosten, etc. T. Sanders S/V Cimba "jens teglman" wrote in message .ca... Can anybody help me with the following. We are new to northamerican sailboats, but have done a lot of sailing in Denmark where the market a dominated by Swedish boats. We want to go from Vancouver Island to Caribien and don't really know what is good boat for the trip.Any tip or suggestion welcome Thanks Jim |
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