Rich, one doesn't learn how PWC operators behave from a propaganda sheet. He
learns it from being out a boat each weekend and observing them.


wrote:
Seems like a weak argument unless you can dispute any of my facts or
sources.

WHAT???

You are genuinely claiming that links on the internet should
trump real world observations?


.... Just dismissing everything that doesn't support your
"observations" as automatically being simply "propoganda" isn't very
compelling.


I don't think anybody has "dismissed everything," just
weighed your claims against their own real-world experience.


Once again (and you just keep ignoring me) - specifically -

Is this article propoganda, or fiction? Is BoatUS an organization with
a pro-PWC bias?


http://www.shawnalladio.com/pwc/pwcD...pwc_detail=205


As far as I see, this is an unabashedly pro-PWC feel-good
article... do you think the title "This Is Not Your Father's
Jetski" indicates serious journalism? And the quotes from a
Kawasaki rep?



If you observed ME and all the people I ride with all the time, you'd
be confronted with the realization that your preconceptions and
prejudices are misinformed, outdated, based on a limited sample, and
simply don't tell anywhere near the story.

So, I guess if we observed that you and your buddies don't
buzz anchored boats, jump wakes dangerously close to vessels
underway, play chicken with swimmers, harrass sailboats, etc
etc, then we'd just forget about every time we observed a
larger number of jetskiiers doing those exact things?

That sure makes a lot of sense.

Actually, I'm sure there are a number of PWCers who use
their boats decently and interact with other boaters just
fine. But there are a lot that don't; and frankly the image
of blasting around the waterway not giving a damn is part of
what sells PWCs in the first place.

DSK

So, I guess if we observed that you and your buddies don't
buzz anchored boats, jump wakes dangerously close to vessels
underway, play chicken with swimmers, harrass sailboats, etc
etc, then we'd just forget about every time we observed a
larger number of jetskiiers doing those exact things?

It would indicate that your prejudices and preconceptions about pwc'ers
were not accurate, and that there's a lot that you don't know and would
apparently surprise you to learn about pwc's and their owners.

Of course it's not incumbent on you to become more informed about them.



Actually, I'm sure there are a number of PWCers who use
their boats decently and interact with other boaters just
fine

Well there you go, we're getting somewhere, this is the first time
you've acknowledges this truth that I've been trying to point out -
that your blanket condemning and insulting of all pwc riders including
me, my wife, my children, and many of my friends (and your insulting us
is why I'm so passionate about this) is unfair and innacurate.

But there are a lot that don't;

True; same goes for all segments of power boating, this is another of
my main points, and the reason I favor mandatory training in safety
basics.

and frankly the image
of blasting around the waterway not giving a damn is part of
what sells PWCs in the first place.

Well there you go talking about things you know nothing about again.
Come on, you have to admit you really know nothing about why most of
the people who buy pwc's, buy them. You're just projecting your
prejudices and stereotypes into the heads of people you don't know much
about. You should check out the marketing materials, that is, the ads
in boating magazines for the last ten years or so, to see how they
market the machines....mostly as family fun craft, with pictures of
dads riding with their small children on board, obviously on vacation,
the kids sitting in or jumping off the back swim platforms to go
snorkeling, enjoying the sights of caribbean waters, or a couple riding
off into the horizon....just like pretty much any other recreational
pleasure boats in their ads.

Read the reviews of pwc's in mainstream, non-pwc-oriented boating
magazines like Boating. They talk about ride comfort, storage space,
watersports ability, design features....pretty much just like they
would with any other recreational power boat.

And I, unlike you, know first-hand what I'm talking about. I've bought
pwc's, I use them regularly, and talk to and ride with other people who
do, every weekend, eight months a year. You should be humble enough to
defer my word over your own guesses as to how they're sold, why they're
bought, and how they're used.
The fact is they're not only about the quiestest and cleanest-running
power boat you can buy, but the most affordable, easiest/cheapest to
store, trailer and maintain, most fuel-efficient, kids love
them...THESE, DSK, are a much bigger part of what sells them than "the
image of blasting around the waterway not giving a damn." Honestly
and I know what I'm talking about. I don't know why it's so difficult
for you to just admit that really, on this topic, you don't.

richforman



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