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Hypothetical? Give us a break. Few of us were born yesterday.
Screw the deck core problems and go look at this 1981 Endeavor 32 Listing ID 38308-1494712 St. Augustine Yacht Sales Phone 904-829-1589 I don't know squat about this boat or this broker or this boat but, if my boat yard called up and said my boat burned up last night, I'd be on the plane tomorrow with the insurance check in my hand to look at this one. That's the judgement of a lifetime with boats and a year of sailing and refitting ours. These boats are all solid glass with a minimum of construction features that can lead to repairs requiring major disassembly. They have very sensibly designed interiors that stay light, airy, and well ventilated. There is lots of wood. Much of the construction detailing give the impression that they were built by hobbits (close neat fits but almost nothing is straight) but it gives them a certain charm often lacking in glass boats. Shoal draft, a good turn of speed in cruising terms, wonderful handling characteristics, great cockpit, comfortable and reassuring motion. You can find a boat that does almost anything better but few that sum it all together as well. They are almost always priced below comparable boats. Our boat was listed at the same price as this one and we got it for 15 K. -- Roger Long "Thomas Wentworth" wrote in message news:zCKPf.19059$6h1.6393@trndny09... Dave ,,, here is an example of a problem that I haven't read about here... Hypothetical story; Buyer finds boat ,, boat is looking pretty good. Buyer and Seller come to terms on price, subject to survey. The survey turns up deck problems. Say, some of the deck core is rotten and the deck will need repair. Then, refinish I suppose. The Buyer decides to look around for a repair .. so that he/she can factor in the repair cost and ask the Seller to work with him/her to get the repair done and the deal done. One problem.. the boatyards are so expensive that their repair will kill the deal. What does the Buyer do now? The Buyer can't go through with the deal even though he/she wants to buy the boat. Does the Buyer approach the Seller and say "find a repair guy or the deals's off" ? I suppose that would be the case. I guess what I am asking is: What happens if the repair isn't that complicated but there isn't any affordable repair people in the area? === "Dave" wrote in message ... On Wed, 08 Mar 2006 16:59:41 GMT, "Thomas Wentworth" said: Duh? I don't see the average boat owner walking out on a purchase because the fire extinguisher isn't working just right ... Skip the "Duh" crap, Thomas. It betrays your own limitations, not mine. That was precisely my point. However, depending on what part of the country you live in you may find a lot of potential buyers who feel they have to try and haggle the last dime on the price. That kind of buyer tries to take quite literally Wayne's "issues that you did not know about at the time of your offer." The back of my hand to such a buyer. |
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Roger that, Roger ... but this is actually a hypothetical story... in
anticipation of the real deal.. As I have been mucking about boats, especially the old ones which I love, the deck keeps getting more and more attention. Most items on a boat are dealable. But, the deck? For the fun of it I called a boatyard and asked "what is the going rate for a deck refinish job"? The guy said they just finished one and it cost $30,000! I'm not kidding! I almost fell over, well I was on the phone so more like dropped the phone. When I was younger and dump as a stump, I bought a full keel boat. Took a look, bought it, and went sailing. Never had much in the way of problems... the AT4 did die. Now, I read Casey's book, and worry. Too many stories about people who buy low and then find out later why the boat was "low". ---- "Roger Long" wrote in message ... Hypothetical? Give us a break. Few of us were born yesterday. Screw the deck core problems and go look at this 1981 Endeavor 32 Listing ID 38308-1494712 St. Augustine Yacht Sales Phone 904-829-1589 I don't know squat about this boat or this broker or this boat but, if my boat yard called up and said my boat burned up last night, I'd be on the plane tomorrow with the insurance check in my hand to look at this one. That's the judgement of a lifetime with boats and a year of sailing and refitting ours. These boats are all solid glass with a minimum of construction features that can lead to repairs requiring major disassembly. They have very sensibly designed interiors that stay light, airy, and well ventilated. There is lots of wood. Much of the construction detailing give the impression that they were built by hobbits (close neat fits but almost nothing is straight) but it gives them a certain charm often lacking in glass boats. Shoal draft, a good turn of speed in cruising terms, wonderful handling characteristics, great cockpit, comfortable and reassuring motion. You can find a boat that does almost anything better but few that sum it all together as well. They are almost always priced below comparable boats. Our boat was listed at the same price as this one and we got it for 15 K. -- Roger Long "Thomas Wentworth" wrote in message news:zCKPf.19059$6h1.6393@trndny09... Dave ,,, here is an example of a problem that I haven't read about here... Hypothetical story; Buyer finds boat ,, boat is looking pretty good. Buyer and Seller come to terms on price, subject to survey. The survey turns up deck problems. Say, some of the deck core is rotten and the deck will need repair. Then, refinish I suppose. The Buyer decides to look around for a repair .. so that he/she can factor in the repair cost and ask the Seller to work with him/her to get the repair done and the deal done. One problem.. the boatyards are so expensive that their repair will kill the deal. What does the Buyer do now? The Buyer can't go through with the deal even though he/she wants to buy the boat. Does the Buyer approach the Seller and say "find a repair guy or the deals's off" ? I suppose that would be the case. I guess what I am asking is: What happens if the repair isn't that complicated but there isn't any affordable repair people in the area? === "Dave" wrote in message ... On Wed, 08 Mar 2006 16:59:41 GMT, "Thomas Wentworth" said: Duh? I don't see the average boat owner walking out on a purchase because the fire extinguisher isn't working just right ... Skip the "Duh" crap, Thomas. It betrays your own limitations, not mine. That was precisely my point. However, depending on what part of the country you live in you may find a lot of potential buyers who feel they have to try and haggle the last dime on the price. That kind of buyer tries to take quite literally Wayne's "issues that you did not know about at the time of your offer." The back of my hand to such a buyer. |
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On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 00:45:57 GMT, "Thomas Wentworth"
wrote: Too many stories about people who buy low and then find out later why the boat was "low". That's why picking the right surveyor and learning to read between the lines of his report is such an important part of the process. A good surveyor will always save you money, sometimes a lot of it. In the world of older sail boats, there are a lot of negative value hulls out there. These are the boats that will cost more to fix up and make seaworthy than they will ever be worth again. |
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