"Glenn Ashmore" wrote in
news:fIvCf.13820$Dh.8038@dukeread04:

The people I really feel for are the poor black folks out on the
barrier islands. They have owned their land for generations but their
property taxes have gone up to the point that they are being forced to
sell to the developers.


Don't feel too sorry for them. I fix the organs at their churches.
They're not the stupid people of yesteryear, any more. Many of them, the
smartest of the group, own major interests in those developments on the
more popular islands, like Hilton Head, SC. They live in very nice homes,
drive the finest Mercedes cars and send their children to the best schools,
now. Those Yankees aren't near as smart as they think they are...(c;

Oh, by the way, the AME church pastor's house is a little shack on Sea
Pines Plantation, on the golf course....

The real shame of it all is they lost their roots in the process. Any of
them that are involved with these bigshot deals lost their Gullah language
and the wonderful folklore that goes with it. Stop by some time and I'll
take you out to meet the REAL Gullah people of Coastal SC. I'll drop you
off out on outer Wadmalaw Island where English isn't spoken and we'll see
if you can find your way back to Charleston from the directions given you
in Gullah...(c;

If you ever get invited to an AME church dinner...you ARE in for a treat
that'll put some fat on those bones...

DSK wrote in news:MkKCf.1437$fZ2.925
@bignews4.bellsouth.net:

The taxes on
our modest suburban house have more than doubled in the past
twelve years.


I always find it amusing that people who will live on a sailboat, which
less face it is just an RV with no wheels once you look past the nostalgia
factor, seem to have these huge tax lien houses, but would NEVER consider
living in my comfortable mobile home, which is nicer and has more room than
a Hatteras 70 because it doesn't have two engine rooms.

When some yuppie asks me what yacht I have, I tell 'em an Oakwood 70 at
Evanston Marina...(c; "Oh, a 70! Very nice..." Many 70' yachts at City
Marina never leave their docks, either.

Just like a fine old boat that depreciates like mad, my Oakwood 70 paid
$128 to the county last year....but $89 of that was for garbage pickup so
the taxes on my house were quite cheap...and dropping. I don't give a damn
what the millage rate is. Any millage rate times 0 is still 0...(c;

The yards here in Georgia charge around $6-7/foot for a "haul". That
includes the haul out, blocking moving the stands one time and relaunch. A
one way haul without blocking or relaunch is around $3.50/foot. A boom
truck costs about $75/hour and time starts when they leave their yard so
figure $150 minimum . Add probably 20% for the yard markup and maybe
$100-150 for yard labor so $300 to $375 is about right for setting the mast.

--
Glenn Ashmore

I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack
there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com
Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com

"Thomas Wentworth" wrote in message
news:6VdCf.5682$Jn1.898@trndny01...
I am re-entering the world of cruising. It has been a number of years. My
base is New England.

In the last few days I have been brought to the point of absolute insanity
by two of the local marina's near me.

Today, I called a marina to inquire how much it charged to step a mast. I
explained to the woman on the phone that a boat hauling truck would be
bringing my boat [ I don't own the boat yet, I was seeking the info so
that if I make an offer I would know what the charges would be ] to the
marina where it would be launched.

At first she seemed evasive. She didn't seem to want to answer my
question. She kept saying she was looking for her "paper". Finally, she
said it would be $6 per foot of the boat when the boat was dropped off and
another $6 per foot of the boat when the boat was put in the water. I
asked, why are you charging twice. The truck is bringing the boat, it
will go right in the water. She then said "you are upset by how much it
cost". I tried to explain "I can't be upset since I never knew what the
cost was to begin with".

After she started telling me how I feel about issues I never asked her
about, I asked what was the charge to step the mast. She said around $400
dollars. I almost fell over backwards.

Then, I hung up the phone.

Is this the way of the world in cruising? Have all the marina's become
thieves?

"Larry" wrote in message
...
DSK wrote in news:MkKCf.1437$fZ2.925
@bignews4.bellsouth.net:

The taxes on
our modest suburban house have more than doubled in the past
twelve years.


I always find it amusing that people who will live on a sailboat, which
less face it is just an RV with no wheels once you look past the nostalgia
factor, seem to have these huge tax lien houses, but would NEVER consider
living in my comfortable mobile home, which is nicer and has more room
than
a Hatteras 70 because it doesn't have two engine rooms.

When some yuppie asks me what yacht I have, I tell 'em an Oakwood 70 at
Evanston Marina...(c; "Oh, a 70! Very nice..." Many 70' yachts at City
Marina never leave their docks, either.

Just like a fine old boat that depreciates like mad, my Oakwood 70 paid
$128 to the county last year....but $89 of that was for garbage pickup so
the taxes on my house were quite cheap...and dropping. I don't give a
damn
what the millage rate is. Any millage rate times 0 is still 0...(c;


Ah - but perhaps the land it's on has some of these duplication
(exponential?) problems about tax bases?

L8R

Skip, homeless (well, sold them, not aboard yet)

--
Morgan 461 #2
SV Flying Pig KI4MPC
http://tinyurl.com/384p2 The vessel as Tehamana, as we bought her

"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you
didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail
away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore.
Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain

The taxes on
our modest suburban house have more than doubled in the past
twelve years.


"Larry" wrote
I always find it amusing that people who will live on a sailboat, which
less face it is just an RV with no wheels once you look past the nostalgia
factor, seem to have these huge tax lien houses, but would NEVER consider
living in my comfortable mobile home, which is nicer and has more room
than
a Hatteras 70 because it doesn't have two engine rooms.

Apparently, for many the "romance" of living on a boat makes
up for the inconveniences. OTOH I have lived in mobile
homes, and perhaps a newer one would not be so bad, but the
ones I lived in were NOT comfortable. Drafty at best. But at
least mobile homes don't have a holding tank to pump out.

Another thing to bear in mind is that fewer & fewer
communities even allow mobile homes. Sooner or later they'll
decide that your lot "should" have a McMansion on it, and
tax accordingly.


Skip Gundlach wrote:
Ah - but perhaps the land it's on has some of these duplication
(exponential?) problems about tax bases?


I dunno, there used to be a lot of back-country crossroads
around Charleston, haven't driven around down there in a
while. There used to be places people had built houses... or
stashed mobile homes... that weren't even officially
considered "land" much less taxed.

DSK

Glenn,,, just for fun I called around and found a guy who will lift my mast
and set in place. I do the turnbuckles, etc.

The price? $100.

------------------------------------

F'k them stinking marina's. We don't need no stinking marina's.

===============================================
"Glenn Ashmore" wrote in message
news:hHLCf.13866$Dh.5437@dukeread04...
The yards here in Georgia charge around $6-7/foot for a "haul". That
includes the haul out, blocking moving the stands one time and relaunch.
A one way haul without blocking or relaunch is around $3.50/foot. A boom
truck costs about $75/hour and time starts when they leave their yard so
figure $150 minimum . Add probably 20% for the yard markup and maybe
$100-150 for yard labor so $300 to $375 is about right for setting the
mast.

--
Glenn Ashmore

I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack
there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com
Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com

"Thomas Wentworth" wrote in message
news:6VdCf.5682$Jn1.898@trndny01...
I am re-entering the world of cruising. It has been a number of years.
My base is New England.

In the last few days I have been brought to the point of absolute
insanity by two of the local marina's near me.

Today, I called a marina to inquire how much it charged to step a mast.
I explained to the woman on the phone that a boat hauling truck would be
bringing my boat [ I don't own the boat yet, I was seeking the info so
that if I make an offer I would know what the charges would be ] to the
marina where it would be launched.

At first she seemed evasive. She didn't seem to want to answer my
question. She kept saying she was looking for her "paper". Finally, she
said it would be $6 per foot of the boat when the boat was dropped off
and another $6 per foot of the boat when the boat was put in the water.
I asked, why are you charging twice. The truck is bringing the boat, it
will go right in the water. She then said "you are upset by how much it
cost". I tried to explain "I can't be upset since I never knew what the
cost was to begin with".

After she started telling me how I feel about issues I never asked her
about, I asked what was the charge to step the mast. She said around
$400 dollars. I almost fell over backwards.

Then, I hung up the phone.

Is this the way of the world in cruising? Have all the marina's become
thieves?

Glenn Ashmore wrote:
The yards here in Georgia charge around $6-7/foot for a "haul". That
includes the haul out, blocking moving the stands one time and relaunch. A
one way haul without blocking or relaunch is around $3.50/foot. A boom
truck costs about $75/hour and time starts when they leave their yard so
figure $150 minimum . Add probably 20% for the yard markup and maybe
$100-150 for yard labor so $300 to $375 is about right for setting the mast.


My yard steps and unsteps masts in the Travellift's "well", using an old
crane they have there for that purpose.

The cost is $2.00 per foot, each way, i.e. $120. to unstep, $120. to
step when you're done working on it.

Jonathan

--
I am building my daughter an Argie 10 sailing dinghy, check it out:
http://home.comcast.net/~jonsailr

DSK wrote in news:I4NCf.29095$C%3.15294
@bignews2.bellsouth.net:

Another thing to bear in mind is that fewer & fewer
communities even allow mobile homes. Sooner or later they'll
decide that your lot "should" have a McMansion on it, and
tax accordingly.



Yes, this is not caused by any concern for the community, but concern for
the TAXES COLLECTED. Taxes on a MH go down every year and even our best
tax bureaucrats haven't figured out how to juggle the books to make them
increase.....so the "best course" for this pig bureaucracy is to have them
banned, for the good of the community, of course.

There's been a dangerous backlash from all this here. Some politicians
have, to their surprise, found out that people living the "good life"
without the ever-increasing tax load VOTE and a couple of them got their
fingers (and other appendages) burned the last few times around. The
"course" has changed again, at least for the short term, as they try to
figure out how to go through the back door....(c;

It's best not to mention "banning mobile homes" in Council Chambers, at the
moment.

If the yard has a boom truck on hand it is a lot cheaper. Especially if
they let you set the stays.

My problem is the yard is Savannah I was going to use to commission Rutu was
sold to Hinckley and no longer allows DIYers. The only other yard in
Savannah that can handle her is the former Palmer Johnson yard. They gave
me a great price for lifting her off the trailer, setting her on her keel
and launching her within 24 hours. I can work on her myself once in the
water but if anything delays launching the costs skyrocket.

I'm talking to Brunswick Landings now. It is another hour from home but the
travellift and yard prices are good and they allow DIYer. They don't have a
boom truck so I have to arrange stepping the mast myself. That's why I got
my prices.

You need to check again about that travellift charge. $6/foot should get
you in the water as long as you are not blocking her up first. The lady you
talked to probably didn't have a clue what she was saying.

--
Glenn Ashmore

I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack
there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com
Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com

"Thomas Wentworth" wrote in message
news:rGNCf.1044$J81.453@trndny01...
Glenn,,, just for fun I called around and found a guy who will lift my
mast and set in place. I do the turnbuckles, etc.

The price? $100.

------------------------------------

F'k them stinking marina's. We don't need no stinking marina's.

===============================================
"Glenn Ashmore" wrote in message
news:hHLCf.13866$Dh.5437@dukeread04...
The yards here in Georgia charge around $6-7/foot for a "haul". That
includes the haul out, blocking moving the stands one time and relaunch.
A one way haul without blocking or relaunch is around $3.50/foot. A boom
truck costs about $75/hour and time starts when they leave their yard so
figure $150 minimum . Add probably 20% for the yard markup and maybe
$100-150 for yard labor so $300 to $375 is about right for setting the
mast.

--
Glenn Ashmore

I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack
there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com
Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com

"Thomas Wentworth" wrote in message
news:6VdCf.5682$Jn1.898@trndny01...
I am re-entering the world of cruising. It has been a number of years.
My base is New England.

In the last few days I have been brought to the point of absolute
insanity by two of the local marina's near me.

Today, I called a marina to inquire how much it charged to step a mast.
I explained to the woman on the phone that a boat hauling truck would be
bringing my boat [ I don't own the boat yet, I was seeking the info so
that if I make an offer I would know what the charges would be ] to the
marina where it would be launched.

At first she seemed evasive. She didn't seem to want to answer my
question. She kept saying she was looking for her "paper". Finally, she
said it would be $6 per foot of the boat when the boat was dropped off
and another $6 per foot of the boat when the boat was put in the water.
I asked, why are you charging twice. The truck is bringing the boat, it
will go right in the water. She then said "you are upset by how much it
cost". I tried to explain "I can't be upset since I never knew what the
cost was to begin with".

After she started telling me how I feel about issues I never asked her
about, I asked what was the charge to step the mast. She said around
$400 dollars. I almost fell over backwards.

Then, I hung up the phone.

Is this the way of the world in cruising? Have all the marina's become
thieves?

Check the yellow pages for some sign companies. They usually will
have a truck with a long boom and are use to handling long objects
with something delicate and expensive on the end. I used one in
Detroit and it was just $120 to get the mast down.

--

Roger Long



"Glenn Ashmore" wrote in message
news:UhVCf.14082$Dh.5454@dukeread04...
If the yard has a boom truck on hand it is a lot cheaper.
Especially if they let you set the stays.

My problem is the yard is Savannah I was going to use to commission
Rutu was sold to Hinckley and no longer allows DIYers. The only
other yard in Savannah that can handle her is the former Palmer
Johnson yard. They gave me a great price for lifting her off the
trailer, setting her on her keel and launching her within 24 hours.
I can work on her myself once in the water but if anything delays
launching the costs skyrocket.

I'm talking to Brunswick Landings now. It is another hour from home
but the travellift and yard prices are good and they allow DIYer.
They don't have a boom truck so I have to arrange stepping the mast
myself. That's why I got my prices.

You need to check again about that travellift charge. $6/foot
should get you in the water as long as you are not blocking her up
first. The lady you talked to probably didn't have a clue what she
was saying.

--
Glenn Ashmore

I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or
lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com
Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com

"Thomas Wentworth" wrote in message
news:rGNCf.1044$J81.453@trndny01...
Glenn,,, just for fun I called around and found a guy who will lift
my mast and set in place. I do the turnbuckles, etc.

The price? $100.

------------------------------------

F'k them stinking marina's. We don't need no stinking marina's.

===============================================
"Glenn Ashmore" wrote in message
news:hHLCf.13866$Dh.5437@dukeread04...
The yards here in Georgia charge around $6-7/foot for a "haul".
That includes the haul out, blocking moving the stands one time
and relaunch. A one way haul without blocking or relaunch is
around $3.50/foot. A boom truck costs about $75/hour and time
starts when they leave their yard so figure $150 minimum . Add
probably 20% for the yard markup and maybe $100-150 for yard labor
so $300 to $375 is about right for setting the mast.

--
Glenn Ashmore

I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress
(or lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com
Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com

"Thomas Wentworth" wrote in message
news:6VdCf.5682$Jn1.898@trndny01...
I am re-entering the world of cruising. It has been a number of
years. My base is New England.

In the last few days I have been brought to the point of absolute
insanity by two of the local marina's near me.

Today, I called a marina to inquire how much it charged to step a
mast. I explained to the woman on the phone that a boat hauling
truck would be bringing my boat [ I don't own the boat yet, I was
seeking the info so that if I make an offer I would know what the
charges would be ] to the marina where it would be launched.

At first she seemed evasive. She didn't seem to want to answer
my question. She kept saying she was looking for her "paper".
Finally, she said it would be $6 per foot of the boat when the
boat was dropped off and another $6 per foot of the boat when the
boat was put in the water. I asked, why are you charging twice.
The truck is bringing the boat, it will go right in the water.
She then said "you are upset by how much it cost". I tried to
explain "I can't be upset since I never knew what the cost was to
begin with".

After she started telling me how I feel about issues I never
asked her about, I asked what was the charge to step the mast.
She said around $400 dollars. I almost fell over backwards.

Then, I hung up the phone.

Is this the way of the world in cruising? Have all the marina's
become thieves?