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TAYANA VANCOUVER 460 PILOT
Angle of vanishing stability = 110 degrees
Ballast/displacement = 0.24
Capsize screening ratio = 1.57

BENETEAU 473
Angle of vanishing stability = 119 degrees
Ballast/displacement = 0.34
Capsize screening ratio = 1.96

CATALINA 42 MARK II
Angle of vanishing stability = 105 degrees
Ballast/displacement = 0.39
Capsize screening ratio = 1.97


Poopie:

Did the Tayana dealer prepare you for the 12-24 month wait for construction
on a new one? And the unbelievable cost to rig one once it's delivered? ( I
worked on a new 46 two years ago)

As far as capsizing: Unless you plan to start sailing soon, and then take
many lessons, practice on countless trips for a few years and learn to
master each and every one of the mechanical systems aboard before rounding
one of the Capes, you'll face far worse and more probable problems than
capsizing.

And, as your best friend, I would gladly pay you on Tuesday for the George
Forman grill upgrade today on this baby. Burgers and beers in the tropics!
Yum!

Fair Winds and calm sea,

Whimpie


You guys make it all sound so difficult. Buy one Popeye. Your new
sailing friends will be coming out of the woodwork.

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Danny wrote:
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TAYANA VANCOUVER 460 PILOT
Angle of vanishing stability = 110 degrees
Ballast/displacement = 0.24
Capsize screening ratio = 1.57

BENETEAU 473
Angle of vanishing stability = 119 degrees
Ballast/displacement = 0.34
Capsize screening ratio = 1.96

CATALINA 42 MARK II
Angle of vanishing stability = 105 degrees
Ballast/displacement = 0.39
Capsize screening ratio = 1.97


Poopie:

Did the Tayana dealer prepare you for the 12-24 month wait for
construction on a new one? And the unbelievable cost to rig one once it's
delivered? ( I worked on a new 46 two years ago)

As far as capsizing: Unless you plan to start sailing soon, and then take
many lessons, practice on countless trips for a few years and learn to
master each and every one of the mechanical systems aboard before
rounding one of the Capes, you'll face far worse and more probable
problems than capsizing.

And, as your best friend, I would gladly pay you on Tuesday for the
George Forman grill upgrade today on this baby. Burgers and beers in the
tropics! Yum!

Fair Winds and calm sea,

Whimpie
You guys make it all sound so difficult. Buy one Popeye. Your new
sailing friends will be coming out of the woodwork.

Sounds like naiveté speaking. Sail any distance and you'll feel the same way
as my last response. I only have 20,000 miles under my keel but I tell you
that I'm not overstating the concern. This guy, if he's half serious,
doesn't know enough to pull a dingy off the dock. These are newbie questions
that belie a total lack of essential knowledge. First and foremost, he asks
total strangers for advice! At least join a sailing club and ask guys you
know!

Crossing an ocean IS difficult. But then this is all a fools wag. Poopie is
a mere troll stirring up discussion for amusement.

Danny,

Unfortunatly I am periously close to Poopie (love the spelling.) Last
year I bought a bunch of land in Nova Scotia, a 20 year old 33' custom
steel cutter, and moved one to the other. Never sailed before but lots
of time on stink pots. Anyway I got there, after about a week. A
little over 400 miles, on the chart.

I think you are right that he is trolling for amusement. But it IS
amusing. Not only his posts but the dead serious answers intermixed
with the others who have "outed" him.

And, you gotta admit, he must have the hide of a rhino. Or is it
brain. Either way, for now he does make me laugh, if only at myself.

Howard

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Danny,

Unfortunatly I am perilously close to Poopie (love the spelling.) Last
year I bought a bunch of land in Nova Scotia, a 20 year old 33' custom
steel cutter, and moved one to the other. Never sailed before but lots
of time on stink pots. Anyway I got there, after about a week. A
little over 400 miles, on the chart.

I think you are right that he is trolling for amusement. But it IS
amusing. Not only his posts but the dead serious answers intermixed
with the others who have "outed" him.

And, you gotta admit, he must have the hide of a rhino. Or is it
brain. Either way, for now he does make me laugh, if only at myself.

Howard

Howard:

You and I are tracking. It is indeed amusing and the answers have been
informative. It's a good group.

How's the sailing in NS in the winter? My brother in-law lives in Portland,
Maine. The combination of the ridiculous fog and the rocky shore make the
case for your steel hull.
Danny

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Danny,

Unfortunatly I am periously close to Poopie (love the spelling.) Last
year I bought a bunch of land in Nova Scotia, a 20 year old 33' custom
steel cutter, and moved one to the other. Never sailed before but lots
of time on stink pots. Anyway I got there, after about a week. A
little over 400 miles, on the chart.

I think you are right that he is trolling for amusement. But it IS
amusing. Not only his posts but the dead serious answers intermixed
with the others who have "outed" him.

And, you gotta admit, he must have the hide of a rhino. Or is it
brain. Either way, for now he does make me laugh, if only at myself.

Howard

Howard:

You and I are tracking. It is indeed amusing and the answers have been
informative. It's a good group.

How's the sailing in NS in the winter? My brother in-law lives in Portland,
Maine. The combination of the ridiculous fog and the rocky shore make the
case for your steel hull.
Danny

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Danny,

Unfortunatly I am periously close to Poopie (love the spelling.) Last
year I bought a bunch of land in Nova Scotia, a 20 year old 33' custom
steel cutter, and moved one to the other. Never sailed before but lots
of time on stink pots. Anyway I got there, after about a week. A
little over 400 miles, on the chart.

I think you are right that he is trolling for amusement. But it IS
amusing. Not only his posts but the dead serious answers intermixed
with the others who have "outed" him.

And, you gotta admit, he must have the hide of a rhino. Or is it
brain. Either way, for now he does make me laugh, if only at myself.

Howard


Howard:

You and I are tracking. It is indeed amusing and the answers have been
informative. It's a good group.

How's the sailing in NS in the winter? My brother in-law lives in Portland,
Maine. The combination of the ridiculous fog and the rocky shore make the
case for your steel hull.
Danny


I am enjoying the banter. I find it enlightening that folks can
absolutely confidently say things that are so wrong. I wonder if they
are embarrassed when caught or if it is always a troll.

Gaz

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Danny wrote:
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Danny,

Unfortunatly I am periously close to Poopie (love the spelling.) Last
year I bought a bunch of land in Nova Scotia, a 20 year old 33' custom
steel cutter, and moved one to the other. Never sailed before but lots
of time on stink pots. Anyway I got there, after about a week. A
little over 400 miles, on the chart.

I think you are right that he is trolling for amusement. But it IS
amusing. Not only his posts but the dead serious answers intermixed
with the others who have "outed" him.

And, you gotta admit, he must have the hide of a rhino. Or is it
brain. Either way, for now he does make me laugh, if only at myself.

Howard


Howard:

You and I are tracking. It is indeed amusing and the answers have been
informative. It's a good group.

How's the sailing in NS in the winter? My brother in-law lives in
Portland, Maine. The combination of the ridiculous fog and the rocky
shore make the case for your steel hull.
Danny


I am enjoying the banter. I find it enlightening that folks can
absolutely confidently say things that are so wrong. I wonder if they are
embarrassed when caught or if it is always a troll.

Gaz

I have to admit, Poopie is far and away the best troll I've seen. If he is a
troll.
If he's serious, he needs to take up something safer like Motocross. Some of
the advice has been awful and ill informed. But there are some gems. When
I'm flummoxed, I ask the older salts in my club because I can see the
position of their tongue when they answer.
Poopie asks lamo questions in a way that stimulates good dialog. As Howard
pointed out, Poopie has the hide of a Rhino! He comes back for more and with
more. Most trolls just sling meaningless threats, insults and non sense.
I've learned a few things reading the serious replies.

Danny wrote:
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Danny,

Unfortunatly I am periously close to Poopie (love the spelling.) Last
year I bought a bunch of land in Nova Scotia, a 20 year old 33' custom
steel cutter, and moved one to the other. Never sailed before but lots
of time on stink pots. Anyway I got there, after about a week. A
little over 400 miles, on the chart.

I think you are right that he is trolling for amusement. But it IS
amusing. Not only his posts but the dead serious answers intermixed
with the others who have "outed" him.

And, you gotta admit, he must have the hide of a rhino. Or is it
brain. Either way, for now he does make me laugh, if only at myself.

Howard


Howard:

You and I are tracking. It is indeed amusing and the answers have been
informative. It's a good group.

How's the sailing in NS in the winter? My brother in-law lives in
Portland, Maine. The combination of the ridiculous fog and the rocky
shore make the case for your steel hull.
Danny



I am enjoying the banter. I find it enlightening that folks can
absolutely confidently say things that are so wrong. I wonder if they are
embarrassed when caught or if it is always a troll.

Gaz


I have to admit, Poopie is far and away the best troll I've seen. If he is a
troll.
If he's serious, he needs to take up something safer like Motocross. Some of
the advice has been awful and ill informed. But there are some gems. When
I'm flummoxed, I ask the older salts in my club because I can see the
position of their tongue when they answer.
Poopie asks lamo questions in a way that stimulates good dialog. As Howard
pointed out, Poopie has the hide of a Rhino! He comes back for more and with
more. Most trolls just sling meaningless threats, insults and non sense.
I've learned a few things reading the serious replies.


I think he is genuinely soliciting advice.

Danny,

I wish I knew how the sailing was. I live in Philadelphia and my wife
said I had to keep my mistress at a fair distance. Thus she sits on
the hard in Sydney, NS.

But this summer, I get a month off, 200 miles to St. Pierre and
Bastille Day, then back along the south coast of Newfoundland. If my
steel hull "thwangs" when I bump you may hear me unaided where you
live.

I can attest to the fog in SE Nova Scotia. I could see the variations
in fog density in an arms length and one evening I litteraly saw the
shadow of my sails on the edge of a fog bank. I throughly under
estimated the variation in temperature. Several tmes, within an hour,
I went from shorts to full fleece and gear to shorts. I was lucky to
stay dry for I didn't bring half enough warm clothes had things gone
south.

In article ,
"Danny" wrote:

First and foremost, he asks total strangers for advice!

By in large, the total strangers on this list are more knowledgeable
and honest than his friends at the dock -- because many of us aren't AT
the dock.

Most if the times I hear our dock gurus speak, I snicker.

Yes, there is a wide range of opinions and that's a good thing. There's
rarely one right answer, only a continuum of trade-offs.

Yes, there are some on the list that should be ignored, but they're
easily discovered to be the ones who flame rather than debate.


--
Jere Lull
Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD)
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