Tamaroak wrote:
I recently read something about adding the used oil from your crankcase
(20 quarts from my engine) to your diesel tanks to burn up, thus saving
the purchase of five gallons of fuel and eliminating the problem of
disposal.

I would be diluting it into 320 gallons of fuel.

Is this common?

Capt. Jeff

Wouldn't have been a problem in older diesels, but I wouldn't do it
with the new high output types, with high pressure fuel delivery, etc

Lots of opinions with little in the way of facts.

The practice of burning used diesel engine crankcase oil as fuel has been
popular with fleet users for many years. The main caution is that the oil
must not have been contaminated by coolant. The practice will not void the
warranties of any of the major engine manufacturers. The lube oil is burned
completely and, BTW, has a higher BTU content than fuel oil.

The process should be done carefully in order not to "over oil" the fuel.
Racor, the filter manufacturer, used to sell a system for the purpose. I
bought several for a fleet of large EMD, Cummins, and CAT generators. The
systems made us a lot of money by saving the cost of disposal of used lube
oil and avoiding the cost of thousands of gallons of fuel oil. The Racor
kits were in several sizes to accomodate small to large applications. I
don't know if Racor continues to market the systems.

Butch
wrote in message
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Tamaroak wrote:
I recently read something about adding the used oil from your crankcase
(20 quarts from my engine) to your diesel tanks to burn up, thus saving
the purchase of five gallons of fuel and eliminating the problem of
disposal.

I would be diluting it into 320 gallons of fuel.

Is this common?

Capt. Jeff

Wouldn't have been a problem in older diesels, but I wouldn't do it
with the new high output types, with high pressure fuel delivery, etc

But weren't these mostly mechanical fuel injection?

"Butch Davis" wrote in message
ink.net...
Lots of opinions with little in the way of facts.

The practice of burning used diesel engine crankcase oil as fuel has been
popular with fleet users for many years. The main caution is that the oil
must not have been contaminated by coolant. The practice will not void
the warranties of any of the major engine manufacturers. The lube oil is
burned completely and, BTW, has a higher BTU content than fuel oil.

The process should be done carefully in order not to "over oil" the fuel.
Racor, the filter manufacturer, used to sell a system for the purpose. I
bought several for a fleet of large EMD, Cummins, and CAT generators. The
systems made us a lot of money by saving the cost of disposal of used lube
oil and avoiding the cost of thousands of gallons of fuel oil. The Racor
kits were in several sizes to accomodate small to large applications. I
don't know if Racor continues to market the systems.

Butch
wrote in message
oups.com...

Tamaroak wrote:
I recently read something about adding the used oil from your crankcase
(20 quarts from my engine) to your diesel tanks to burn up, thus saving
the purchase of five gallons of fuel and eliminating the problem of
disposal.

I would be diluting it into 320 gallons of fuel.

Is this common?

Capt. Jeff

Wouldn't have been a problem in older diesels, but I wouldn't do it
with the new high output types, with high pressure fuel delivery, etc

Bill,

I'm not sure I understand your question.

But, all diesel fuel injection systems are mechanical. They are also
hydraulic. New systems use digitial electronics to more perfectly control
the hydraulic/mechanical action to more perfectly inject the precise
quantity of fuel required at the precise time it is required. This serves
to more completely burn the fuel and to eliminate the unburned hydrocarbons
so problematic with older poorly maintained systems. The byproduct of these
improved systems is vastly improved fuel economy and improved longevity of
engine upper deck components.

I continue to advocate recycling used diesel engine lube oil as fuel.

YMMV.

Butch
"Bill McKee" wrote in message
nk.net...
But weren't these mostly mechanical fuel injection?

"Butch Davis" wrote in message
ink.net...
Lots of opinions with little in the way of facts.

The practice of burning used diesel engine crankcase oil as fuel has been
popular with fleet users for many years. The main caution is that the
oil must not have been contaminated by coolant. The practice will not
void the warranties of any of the major engine manufacturers. The lube
oil is burned completely and, BTW, has a higher BTU content than fuel
oil.

The process should be done carefully in order not to "over oil" the fuel.
Racor, the filter manufacturer, used to sell a system for the purpose. I
bought several for a fleet of large EMD, Cummins, and CAT generators.
The systems made us a lot of money by saving the cost of disposal of used
lube oil and avoiding the cost of thousands of gallons of fuel oil. The
Racor kits were in several sizes to accomodate small to large
applications. I don't know if Racor continues to market the systems.

Butch
wrote in message
oups.com...

Tamaroak wrote:
I recently read something about adding the used oil from your crankcase
(20 quarts from my engine) to your diesel tanks to burn up, thus saving
the purchase of five gallons of fuel and eliminating the problem of
disposal.

I would be diluting it into 320 gallons of fuel.

Is this common?

Capt. Jeff

Wouldn't have been a problem in older diesels, but I wouldn't do it
with the new high output types, with high pressure fuel delivery, etc

Butch, how do you filter it before adding it to the fuel?

John


"Butch Davis" wrote in message
ink.net...
Bill,

I'm not sure I understand your question.

But, all diesel fuel injection systems are mechanical. They are also
hydraulic. New systems use digitial electronics to more perfectly control
the hydraulic/mechanical action to more perfectly inject the precise
quantity of fuel required at the precise time it is required. This serves
to more completely burn the fuel and to eliminate the unburned
hydrocarbons so problematic with older poorly maintained systems. The
byproduct of these improved systems is vastly improved fuel economy and
improved longevity of engine upper deck components.

I continue to advocate recycling used diesel engine lube oil as fuel.

YMMV.

Butch
"Bill McKee" wrote in message
nk.net...
But weren't these mostly mechanical fuel injection?

"Butch Davis" wrote in message
ink.net...
Lots of opinions with little in the way of facts.

The practice of burning used diesel engine crankcase oil as fuel has
been popular with fleet users for many years. The main caution is that
the oil must not have been contaminated by coolant. The practice will
not void the warranties of any of the major engine manufacturers. The
lube oil is burned completely and, BTW, has a higher BTU content than
fuel oil.

The process should be done carefully in order not to "over oil" the
fuel. Racor, the filter manufacturer, used to sell a system for the
purpose. I bought several for a fleet of large EMD, Cummins, and CAT
generators. The systems made us a lot of money by saving the cost of
disposal of used lube oil and avoiding the cost of thousands of gallons
of fuel oil. The Racor kits were in several sizes to accomodate small
to large applications. I don't know if Racor continues to market the
systems.

Butch
wrote in message
oups.com...

Tamaroak wrote:
I recently read something about adding the used oil from your
crankcase
(20 quarts from my engine) to your diesel tanks to burn up, thus
saving
the purchase of five gallons of fuel and eliminating the problem of
disposal.

I would be diluting it into 320 gallons of fuel.

Is this common?

Capt. Jeff

Wouldn't have been a problem in older diesels, but I wouldn't do it
with the new high output types, with high pressure fuel delivery, etc

John,

In the fleet application I used Racor's system which included filtration.
On my personal diesel vehicles I simply added the oil directly from the
crankcase to a nearly full fuel tank. My reasoning was that the lube oil
was well filtered by the oil filter and that the after market Racor filter I
always installed in my vehicles' fuel lines would do a good enough job of
removing anything harmful.

The Racor systems were not inexpensive but paid for themselves over time
several times over. If I had a diesel boat I would have a Racor system or
make up an installed one with a pump, some tubing and fittings, a valve or
two, and a filter. Can you imagine an oil change on a boat with no mess, no
oil disposal issues, and improvment to your fuel economy. The only issue
would be the filter change. You could do it just like the pros.

Butch
"johnhh" wrote in message
. ..
Butch, how do you filter it before adding it to the fuel?

John


"Butch Davis" wrote in message
ink.net...
Bill,

I'm not sure I understand your question.

But, all diesel fuel injection systems are mechanical. They are also
hydraulic. New systems use digitial electronics to more perfectly
control the hydraulic/mechanical action to more perfectly inject the
precise quantity of fuel required at the precise time it is required.
This serves to more completely burn the fuel and to eliminate the
unburned hydrocarbons so problematic with older poorly maintained
systems. The byproduct of these improved systems is vastly improved fuel
economy and improved longevity of engine upper deck components.

I continue to advocate recycling used diesel engine lube oil as fuel.

YMMV.

Butch
"Bill McKee" wrote in message
nk.net...
But weren't these mostly mechanical fuel injection?

"Butch Davis" wrote in message
ink.net...
Lots of opinions with little in the way of facts.

The practice of burning used diesel engine crankcase oil as fuel has
been popular with fleet users for many years. The main caution is that
the oil must not have been contaminated by coolant. The practice will
not void the warranties of any of the major engine manufacturers. The
lube oil is burned completely and, BTW, has a higher BTU content than
fuel oil.

The process should be done carefully in order not to "over oil" the
fuel. Racor, the filter manufacturer, used to sell a system for the
purpose. I bought several for a fleet of large EMD, Cummins, and CAT
generators. The systems made us a lot of money by saving the cost of
disposal of used lube oil and avoiding the cost of thousands of gallons
of fuel oil. The Racor kits were in several sizes to accomodate small
to large applications. I don't know if Racor continues to market the
systems.

Butch
wrote in message
oups.com...

Tamaroak wrote:
I recently read something about adding the used oil from your
crankcase
(20 quarts from my engine) to your diesel tanks to burn up, thus
saving
the purchase of five gallons of fuel and eliminating the problem of
disposal.

I would be diluting it into 320 gallons of fuel.

Is this common?

Capt. Jeff

Wouldn't have been a problem in older diesels, but I wouldn't do it
with the new high output types, with high pressure fuel delivery, etc

In article ,
"johnhh" wrote:

Butch, how do you filter it before adding it to the fuel?

John



The correct way is to run the used BaseOil thru a Centrifuge first, then
thru a 2 micron filter. We have this system in our 2.5 Megawatt
Powerhouse, and burn the resulting lubeoil in a Waste Oil Burner/Heater
in the Port Engineers shop. The residue that comes out of the
centrifuge is Classed as Hazardous Material, and we ship it to a
recycler.

Bruce in alaska
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add a 2 before @

All diesel inject is not mechanical. The new engines, like my Duramax or
Eisbocks Ford 6.0 are electronic FI. There is a high pressure, precision
pump that generates the high fuel pressure to a single fuel block, the
single rail. The Electronics pull the solenoid and allow a precise amount
of fuel to inject. My duramax does 3 shots per power stroke. The old
Detroit Diesels, etc had a mechanical piston to inject the fuel. You
adjusted the "Racks" to get the best fuel burn on average. Was to early at
idle, why lots of rattle (pinging) at low RPM's. Probably bigger jets in
the injector also. Only one shot per power stroke. The new pumps will be
close tolerance and smaller holes in the injectors. You would have to save
a lot of money on diesel to pay for the repair of either the pump or the
injector. Lots more for the pump.

"Butch Davis" wrote in message
ink.net...
Bill,

I'm not sure I understand your question.

But, all diesel fuel injection systems are mechanical. They are also
hydraulic. New systems use digitial electronics to more perfectly control
the hydraulic/mechanical action to more perfectly inject the precise
quantity of fuel required at the precise time it is required. This serves
to more completely burn the fuel and to eliminate the unburned
hydrocarbons so problematic with older poorly maintained systems. The
byproduct of these improved systems is vastly improved fuel economy and
improved longevity of engine upper deck components.

I continue to advocate recycling used diesel engine lube oil as fuel.

YMMV.

Butch
"Bill McKee" wrote in message
nk.net...
But weren't these mostly mechanical fuel injection?

"Butch Davis" wrote in message
ink.net...
Lots of opinions with little in the way of facts.

The practice of burning used diesel engine crankcase oil as fuel has
been popular with fleet users for many years. The main caution is that
the oil must not have been contaminated by coolant. The practice will
not void the warranties of any of the major engine manufacturers. The
lube oil is burned completely and, BTW, has a higher BTU content than
fuel oil.

The process should be done carefully in order not to "over oil" the
fuel. Racor, the filter manufacturer, used to sell a system for the
purpose. I bought several for a fleet of large EMD, Cummins, and CAT
generators. The systems made us a lot of money by saving the cost of
disposal of used lube oil and avoiding the cost of thousands of gallons
of fuel oil. The Racor kits were in several sizes to accomodate small
to large applications. I don't know if Racor continues to market the
systems.

Butch
wrote in message
oups.com...

Tamaroak wrote:
I recently read something about adding the used oil from your
crankcase
(20 quarts from my engine) to your diesel tanks to burn up, thus
saving
the purchase of five gallons of fuel and eliminating the problem of
disposal.

I would be diluting it into 320 gallons of fuel.

Is this common?

Capt. Jeff

Wouldn't have been a problem in older diesels, but I wouldn't do it
with the new high output types, with high pressure fuel delivery, etc

Bill,

I understand. IMO, the system you're talking about is a system I first saw
used on CAT diesels. I attended a CAT school in Peoria on the system and am
familiar with it in an earlier generation. By my definition the system is
hydromechanical with electronic control. The digital system decides when
and for how long to actuate the solenoid which permits the already
pressurized fuel to flow through the injector to be atomized and burned.
BTW, virtually all high pressure diesel pumps are precision pumps.

Detroits and EMDs were the only engines in my experience that used the rack
control and unit injector system. Cummins used the PT system and CAT used
an injector pump operated by a cam which pressurized the fuel in a timed
fashion until the pressure required to cause the injector to "pop off" was
reached. Roosamaster (Stanadyne (sp?)) used a distributor type rotary pump
with injectors similar to the CAT pop off injectors.

YMMV.

Butch
"Bill McKee" wrote in message
news
All diesel inject is not mechanical. The new engines, like my Duramax or
Eisbocks Ford 6.0 are electronic FI. There is a high pressure, precision
pump that generates the high fuel pressure to a single fuel block, the
single rail. The Electronics pull the solenoid and allow a precise amount
of fuel to inject. My duramax does 3 shots per power stroke. The old
Detroit Diesels, etc had a mechanical piston to inject the fuel. You
adjusted the "Racks" to get the best fuel burn on average. Was to early
at idle, why lots of rattle (pinging) at low RPM's. Probably bigger jets
in the injector also. Only one shot per power stroke. The new pumps will
be close tolerance and smaller holes in the injectors. You would have to
save a lot of money on diesel to pay for the repair of either the pump or
the injector. Lots more for the pump.

"Butch Davis" wrote in message
ink.net...
Bill,

I'm not sure I understand your question.

But, all diesel fuel injection systems are mechanical. They are also
hydraulic. New systems use digitial electronics to more perfectly
control the hydraulic/mechanical action to more perfectly inject the
precise quantity of fuel required at the precise time it is required.
This serves to more completely burn the fuel and to eliminate the
unburned hydrocarbons so problematic with older poorly maintained
systems. The byproduct of these improved systems is vastly improved fuel
economy and improved longevity of engine upper deck components.

I continue to advocate recycling used diesel engine lube oil as fuel.

YMMV.

Butch
"Bill McKee" wrote in message
nk.net...
But weren't these mostly mechanical fuel injection?

"Butch Davis" wrote in message
ink.net...
Lots of opinions with little in the way of facts.

The practice of burning used diesel engine crankcase oil as fuel has
been popular with fleet users for many years. The main caution is that
the oil must not have been contaminated by coolant. The practice will
not void the warranties of any of the major engine manufacturers. The
lube oil is burned completely and, BTW, has a higher BTU content than
fuel oil.

The process should be done carefully in order not to "over oil" the
fuel. Racor, the filter manufacturer, used to sell a system for the
purpose. I bought several for a fleet of large EMD, Cummins, and CAT
generators. The systems made us a lot of money by saving the cost of
disposal of used lube oil and avoiding the cost of thousands of gallons
of fuel oil. The Racor kits were in several sizes to accomodate small
to large applications. I don't know if Racor continues to market the
systems.

Butch
wrote in message
oups.com...

Tamaroak wrote:
I recently read something about adding the used oil from your
crankcase
(20 quarts from my engine) to your diesel tanks to burn up, thus
saving
the purchase of five gallons of fuel and eliminating the problem of
disposal.

I would be diluting it into 320 gallons of fuel.

Is this common?

Capt. Jeff

Wouldn't have been a problem in older diesels, but I wouldn't do it
with the new high output types, with high pressure fuel delivery, etc