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To Steve Lasardi and others with good advice,
Thanks. You can bet before we leave we will have a list of all the laws and regulations of any places we plan to visit plus a skipper familar with the ports we will visit. The dinghy idea is great. One of the group has a large Zodiac that we are planning on taking, it should be great for that purpose. Although all of us in the group have been in professions that required extensive training in firearms use we are recreational shooters more than anything else. Defensive use is just secondary. I have been looking for an excuse to buy a couple of the new Ruger Stainless steel handguns and rifles. Sal****er environment will be just the excuse to justify that expenditure. Dennis |
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"Steve Lusardi" wrote: Dennis, Be very careful accepting advise from those that do not experience international sailing. Their advise is not worth the bit space it arrived on. Piracy today is actually a bigger problem than it has been at any time in history. There have been numerous articles written in the press about this problem for more than 20 years. In fact, there are very few safe cruising areas worldwide. The causes of the problem are numerous, but drug running is probably the most common with abject poverty being a close second. There are some undisputable facts like, if you encounter a problem, there will be no assistance. You cannot just dial 911. There is nobody home. You are on your own. You should carry multple levels of defence, like common sense, water cannons, mace and lastly firearms. All of those have zero value without adequate training and ongoing practise. That said, guns are like trucks and umbrellas, when you need one, you never need a little one. If you have something and do not need it, you can throw it away. If however, one is required and you don't have one, use your imagination. Please remember your enemy for firearms is not the person, it is his engine. Never allow strangers on board. Practise do diligence. Always maintain a deck watch. On a practical note, when carrying firearms and you are entering a foreign country always follow maritime rules. Do not initially find dock space. Drop your hook, go ashore in your dingy and inprocess. Fly the correct flags. Always declare your weapons and follow the advise of the authorities. Crimes are punishable. Following the law is not a crime. You might lose your guns, but not your freedom. Steve Very good advice......I suspect that the above poster actually knows what a Customs Locker is, and what it is used for....... Every Commercial Vessel I have ever been on had one, and upon entering any Port of Call, it was used, and secured, as per International Convention. If only more folks were more knowledgeable about such things, we wouldn't be subjected to "Hip Deep Bull****" when this subject arises..... Me one who has sailed, and lived to tell the tales...... |
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"twoguns" wrote: Leave those firearms stateside or at least tell the border guard you have them. He'll advise you what to do. Reply Don, I haven't been to Canada recently but when I was in the trucking business I was in Canada on a regular basis. At that time you could carry a rifle or shotgun with no problems. You had to declare it at the border and fill out a form. NO HANDGUNS were allowed whatsoever at that time with one exception: If you were a U.S. citizen heading to Alaska you could put the handgun in a sealed bag and carry with you. If a RCMP or other official checked and the seal was broken while in Canada you were in deep ****. I think since then the law has been changed and you have to arrange for the shipment of handguns from FFL dealers on the U.S. side of the border now. With the gun control people in firm control in Canada even the laws against rifles and shotguns are probably much stricter. Oh it is possible to get mugged in Canada also. I was standing in a line at a downtown Edmonton theater in the late 1970's and some guy attacked a lady that took a shortcut through an alley back to her car. Several of us standing in line for the movie heard her screams but other than a small cut on her arm from the knife he cut her purse strap with she was OK but it could have been a lot worse. Dennis Passage on water has totally different Laws than passage via Land. There are international conventions that govern ships and Ports of Call. Folks ought not to confuse the two. Me |
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Don White wrote: twoguns wrote: Reply Don, I haven't been to Canada recently but when I was in the trucking business I was in Canada on a regular basis. At that time you could carry a rifle or shotgun with no problems. You had to declare it at the border and fill out a form. NO HANDGUNS were allowed whatsoever at that time with one exception: If you were a U.S. citizen heading to Alaska you could put the handgun in a sealed bag and carry with you. If a RCMP or other official checked and the seal was broken while in Canada you were in deep ****. I think since then the law has been changed and you have to arrange for the shipment of handguns from FFL dealers on the U.S. side of the border now. With the gun control people in firm control in Canada even the laws against rifles and shotguns are probably much stricter. Oh it is possible to get mugged in Canada also. I was standing in a line at a downtown Edmonton theater in the late 1970's and some guy attacked a lady that took a shortcut through an alley back to her car. Several of us standing in line for the movie heard her screams but other than a small cut on her arm from the knife he cut her purse strap with she was OK but it could have been a lot worse. Dennis Yes..you could even get mugged in Halifax. The last time an American carrier group visited, the Canadian Navy sent along information that the main street from our Naval Base to downtown was to be avoided..since it's populated by drug dealers, addicts, prostitutes etc. What a commotion arose from that area. You would think someone insulted their wives/daughters etc. ...and yes, it was good advice that I would give to any visitor who asked. Anywhere else...no guns required! and some folks actually believe that that Aircraft Carrier didn't have any guns aboard, while making the visit........ Not the case at all.. but that said, all those firearms were, either issued to internal Security Forces, On duty, or secured in the armory under Customs Seal... This by International Convention...... Me -- Bruce (semiretired powderman & exFCC Field Inspector for Southeastern Alaska) add a 2 before @ Bruce Gordon * Debora Gordon R.N. Bruce's Trading Post P.O. Box EXI Excursion Inlet South Juneau, Alaska 99850 Excursion Inlet, Alaska 99850 www.btpost.net www.99850.net |
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Don W wrote: It would have been more accurate to say that your life was worth a bit more TO YOU, than his camera was TO YOU. Your value to him may have been a lot more than the camera, or possibly not depending on how well he liked you at the moment ;-) Don W. Kind of like two guys out walking, and encountering a BIG Bear..... Both started running, but one tripped the other, and as he kept going stated, that he only had to faster than his companion........ Me |
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wrote: On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 13:30:34 +0700, wrote: [...] You should be aware that in some countries, Singapore and Malaysia, for example, the penalty for possession of a firearm or ammunition is death and before you get any idea that being a U.S. citizen would protect you if you were to be caught you should be advised that both Singapore and Malaysia have hung quite a number of foreigners from the west. Do you have any cites of them hanging a US citizen for possession of a firearm? You'd think we would have heard of something like that on the news but it doesn't ring a bell. Last thing I remember was when they whipped that boy for drunken behaviour or spitting or something like that. Steve The boy, a US citizen, was 16 and was convicted of graffiti in a Singapore court. He received a whipping with a rattan cane on the bare behind - a standard punishment. Draconian it may seem, but we never saw any graffiti between Australia and Greece. We knew we were back in the civilised world when we saw the tagging on the Greek trains. Oh, I forgot the small "f***k bush" tag on the wall of an Ottoman castle on the hill above Aden in Yemen. I do not have the figures for last year but do know that Singapore hanged 273 foreign nationals in 2003 regardless of country of origin. FWIW, the last time that anyone was flogged in an Australian prison was in 1953 - not that long ago. Thrity years ago, as a former high school teacher in New Zealand, I was able to cane boys on the rear end so long as I did not draw blood - it was very common in some schools, some teachers caning someone every day. |
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Cut to the chase. If you want fire arms, then be prepared to do the following: Have suitable munitions on board to sink any vessel that is within 300 yards. You make no attempt to warn an approaching vessel, you simply sink the SOB. When the vessel sinks, approach and kill anybody still alive. Think of it as shooting fish in a barrel. Witnesses are such messy things. Leave when the task is complete. If you find the above repulsive, and you should IMHO, leave the firearms at home and learn to get along with the rest of the world. Lew |
Peter Hendra wrote:
Cruising by small vessel is already getting more and more difficult and regulated - most regulations being set in place are because of someone's stupidity or misfortune. I once had a hard time being given port clearance to leave Turkey as I did,t have any certificate of competency to show the harbourmaster's assistant - my passport and log showing where I had sailed from were of no avail. Many ports and marinas in Europe require both a certificate of competency as well as third party insurance - what next. I can see that. You wouldn't believe the number of adventurers/wackos who want to leave this area to paddle/row/sail the smallest vessels across the Atlantic. Our coast guard usually has to go and rescue them before they get out of our jurisdiction. |
Peter Hendra wrote:
The boy, a US citizen, was 16 and was convicted of graffiti in a Singapore court. He received a whipping with a rattan cane on the bare behind - a standard punishment. Draconian it may seem, but we never saw any graffiti between Australia and Greece. We knew we were back in the civilised world when we saw the tagging on the Greek trains. Oh, I forgot the small "f***k bush" tag on the wall of an Ottoman castle on the hill above Aden in Yemen. I do not have the figures for last year but do know that Singapore hanged 273 foreign nationals in 2003 regardless of country of origin. FWIW, the last time that anyone was flogged in an Australian prison was in 1953 - not that long ago. Thrity years ago, as a former high school teacher in New Zealand, I was able to cane boys on the rear end so long as I did not draw blood - it was very common in some schools, some teachers caning someone every day. Here it was the leather 'strap' until the late '60s. Sometimes it didn't take much for the teacher to send you to the cloakroom and administer 5 or 10 whacks to each hand. By junior high the female teachers couldn't hurt you much, but a strong male teacher could make it sting. |
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