Frank wrote:
Well, I was gonna prepare a lengthy reply; but... What Doug said!


Don't hold back, I got my asbestos suit (and tinfoil beanie) on

DSK

Back to the Grampian vs Bayfield beginning.
Having sailed both, one down the ditch, I mailed directly to Mic, the
original poster.
I received two mail watchers replies that his site was not going to be
able to respond to me, because there is "something" wrong there.and my
AV detected it. I went back to the thread and Mic never came back. I am
new to this and neither want to cause a problem or be one.Any comments?

tigerregis wrote:
Back to the Grampian vs Bayfield beginning.
Having sailed both, one down the ditch, I mailed directly to Mic, the
original poster.
I received two mail watchers replies that his site was not going to be
able to respond to me, because there is "something" wrong there.and my
AV detected it. I went back to the thread and Mic never came back. I am
new to this and neither want to cause a problem or be one.Any comments?


I always reply back on the newsgroup unless directed to do differently.
If he's interested, he'll be back.

On 16 Jun 2005 15:23:32 -0700, "tigerregis"
wrote:

Back to the Grampian vs Bayfield beginning.
Having sailed both, one down the ditch, I mailed directly to Mic, the
original poster.
I received two mail watchers replies that his site was not going to be
able to respond to me, because there is "something" wrong there.and my
AV detected it. I went back to the thread and Mic never came back. I am
new to this and neither want to cause a problem or be one.Any comments?

Yep I still participate in the newsgroup, normally that is where you
should post your comments/responses. A sort of "share the knowledge"
puropse and concept of Usenet. Many email address are "munged"
distorted so as to not get farmed and used to spam you with unwanted
email solicitations.

Many contribute to usenet in a positive way. Others just see it as a
place to be nasty. What I havent figured out is if it take more work
to be nasty than nice, why is it that some want to do more
unproductive work? Go figure...

Thats great that you actually sailed a Grampian 26 and been on a
Bayfield 25, both are common and totally different as distinguised by
their rudders and keels, which significantly effect the manner in
which they work best and worst.

I have heard that a B25 circumnavigated, but havent seen any logs or
data as such. The B25 claims to have 3/8 balsa in the vberth, now is
that actually in the hull. The infor that I have is not clear on
that. I know the cabin trunk is balsa cored. But the info. that I
have refers to balsa core somewhere other than in the deck, namely
somewhere else, in particular in the vberth????

TIA

The bayfield lost it's one cyl "vire" 2-stroke on the bay and we sailed
to the Great Wicomico to a marina. Sailed is a misnomer as it would
only tack thru 90 degrees and then head up as trim was applied. I have
sailed on many Gramps as they were built in my home town. They are
tough old birds named after a mtn range in scotlland. They are
comfortable and relatively stiff and will take a lot of hard weather

While we're on this topic, do you (or does anyone) know of cruising
books which are NOT written by and for the Crab Crusher Mafia? It seems
like every book I've ever read, even if recently published, starts with
a lengthy discussion about why you must have a boat with all the
characteristics I find unappealing (and often actually unsafe) in a
boat. In my universe, slow and unweatherly are not desirable qualities.


Why are all these writers still living in the 1930s? At best! The
Pardeys are true Luddites, the sailing equivalent of the Amish,
seemingly rejecting anything invented after the ninetheenth century.
And then, of course, given that kind of starting philosophy, the entire
book is slanted in a direction I don't wanna go.

I need an interesting cruising book for the Third Millennium! Ya know,
one that recognizes cutting-edge stuff, like fiberglass and aluminium.
Help!

TIA,

Frank

P.S. Speaking of keeping current, asbestos suits and tinfoil beanies
have been supplanted by nomex and titanium; so get with the program,
Doug! We're living in "the future," a world which is the realization of
the science-fiction books I read as a kid. it's really kinda cool.

Frank wrote:
While we're on this topic, do you (or does anyone) know of cruising
books which are NOT written by and for the Crab Crusher Mafia? It seems
like every book I've ever read, even if recently published, starts with
a lengthy discussion about why you must have a boat with all the
characteristics I find unappealing (and often actually unsafe) in a
boat. In my universe, slow and unweatherly are not desirable qualities.


Why are all these writers still living in the 1930s? At best! The
Pardeys are true Luddites, the sailing equivalent of the Amish,
seemingly rejecting anything invented after the ninetheenth century.
And then, of course, given that kind of starting philosophy, the entire
book is slanted in a direction I don't wanna go.

I need an interesting cruising book for the Third Millennium! Ya know,
one that recognizes cutting-edge stuff, like fiberglass and aluminium.
Help!

TIA,

Frank

P.S. Speaking of keeping current, asbestos suits and tinfoil beanies
have been supplanted by nomex and titanium; so get with the program,
Doug! We're living in "the future," a world which is the realization of
the science-fiction books I read as a kid. it's really kinda cool.

What's a crab crusher?

krj wrote:
What's a crab crusher?

An ostentatiously heavy & old-fashioned cruising boat. It's a mild
pejorative although perhaps it should be a badge of honor for some.

DSK

Frank wrote:
While we're on this topic, do you (or does anyone) know of cruising
books which are NOT written by and for the Crab Crusher Mafia?

"Blue Water Handbook" by Steve Dashew... he's got a couple of other
books out too. A great cruising book ever written is 'Tinkerbelle' by
Bob Manry, not because it gives up-to-date advice but because it
describes how to overcome obstacles in practical unpretentious ways, and
because it is very inspiring.

... It seems
like every book I've ever read, even if recently published, starts with
a lengthy discussion about why you must have a boat with all the
characteristics I find unappealing (and often actually unsafe) in a
boat. In my universe, slow and unweatherly are not desirable qualities.


That's OK as long as you have plenty of baggywrinkle.



P.S. Speaking of keeping current, asbestos suits and tinfoil beanies
have been supplanted by nomex and titanium; so get with the program,
Doug! We're living in "the future," a world which is the realization of
the science-fiction books I read as a kid. it's really kinda cool.

Really? Where's the flying cars, the moon colonies, the two-way wrist
TVs? The future just hasn't been the same since they stopped putting
tail fins on cars, dammit!

DSK

Frank wrote:
While we're on this topic, do you (or does anyone) know of cruising
books which are NOT written by and for the Crab Crusher Mafia? It seems
like every book I've ever read, even if recently published, starts with
a lengthy discussion about why you must have a boat with all the
characteristics I find unappealing (and often actually unsafe) in a
boat. In my universe, slow and unweatherly are not desirable qualities.

Guess you haven't heard of the Dashews:

http://www.setsail.com/store/catalog...red&style=2col





Why are all these writers still living in the 1930s? At best! The
Pardeys are true Luddites, the sailing equivalent of the Amish,
seemingly rejecting anything invented after the ninetheenth century.
And then, of course, given that kind of starting philosophy, the entire
book is slanted in a direction I don't wanna go.

The Pardeys set the bar rather high (or some might say rather low) but
eventually everyone has to be self-sufficient to some degree. So what
is the opposite of the Pardeys? Marina hopping with the radio tuned
to SeaTow?