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Gogarty wrote:
In article , says... Most birds know better than to foul their own nests, why can't mankind be that smart? Where do sea birds poop? Just asking. And meanwhile are there any mankind living in the actual water? Stephen |
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Most birds know better than to foul their own nests, why can't mankind
be that smart? Gogarty wrote: Where do sea birds poop? Just asking. 1- the birds were already there 2- the birds poop has different... and far less per "drop"... than humans 3- do you imagine there might be some Freudian issues of why some people insist on their right to doo-doo in the water where other people are sailing, swimming, etc etc. DSK |
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"DSK" wrote
3- do you imagine there might be some Freudian issues of why some people insist on their right to doo-doo in the water where other people are sailing, swimming, etc etc. So, to avoid using my lectrosan I hold it til I get to shore and use the potty in town. Where does it go? After treatment, it goes in the water where other people are sailing, swimming, etc. - just like it would had I used the 'san. That's why the Cheasapeake is so, well, ****ty. The problem is too many people but, as Pogo said, nobody wants to be the first to leave. |
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Vito wrote:
"DSK" wrote 3- do you imagine there might be some Freudian issues of why some people insist on their right to doo-doo in the water where other people are sailing, swimming, etc etc. So, to avoid using my lectrosan I hold it til I get to shore and use the potty in town. The whole point of using a Lectra/San is to be able to use it in an anchorage...the federal water quality standard for swimming requires a bacteria count of 200...the bacteria count in a L/S discharge is 10. Where does it go? After treatment, it goes in the water where other people are sailing, swimming, etc. - just like it would had I used the 'san. That's why the Cheasapeake is so, well, ****ty. Actually, it's not the reason...Boats have so little do with it that if everything else could be "fixed," the small amount of waste that boats contribute would actually become beneficial. The real reasons are many and complex, starting with overfishing and depleting--compounded by a virus that also kills off a lot of 'em--the oyster and crab and other shellfish population, which are nature's "sewage treatment plant"...then there's what all the rivers dump into the Bay...and the runoff directly from the shore. It didn't happen overnight...it won't be cleaned up overnight, nor are there any simple solutions. But a good start would be a moratorium on shellfishing for at least 5 years...the watermen would howl, but if the gov't can pay millions of farmers not to grow certain crops, it can pay a few hundred waterman not to shellfish till the population reaches a level again sufficient to process a good portion of the pollutants. FYI, the shellfish and other "garbage eaters" in just 2500 healthy acres of bottom is enough to completely cleanse the waste from a population of 100,000. (Surprised the hell out of me to learn that too!). -- Peggie ---------- Peggie Hall Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987 Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor" http://www.seaworthy.com/store/custo...0&cat=6&page=1 |
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...Boats have so little do with it that if
everything else could be "fixed," the small amount of waste that boats contribute would actually become beneficial. As long as the risk of cholera, typhoid, etc etc, could be avoided, sure. Dave wrote: Never deprive an enviro of his fantasy, Peggy. It's like attacking Mom and apple pie--likely to start a flame war. I don't think anybody, no matter what their personal environmental policy, would say that boaters are the majority of the problem. However, a lot of people, myself included, do not believe in the pathetic excuse that "a little more won't hurt." This argument certainly won't get you very far with the police, and it won't do much for Ma Nature either. DSK |
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DSK wrote:
...Boats have so little do with it that if everything else could be "fixed," the small amount of waste that boats contribute would actually become beneficial. As long as the risk of cholera, typhoid, etc etc, could be avoided, sure. And just how many boat owners do you know who have cholera, typhoid etc? Have you ever even heard of a case that could be traced back to a recreational boat? Dave wrote: Never deprive an enviro of his fantasy, Peggy. It's like attacking Mom and apple pie--likely to start a flame war. I know...sigh I don't think anybody, no matter what their personal environmental policy, would say that boaters are the majority of the problem. However, a lot of people, myself included, do not believe in the pathetic excuse that "a little more won't hurt." I never said that, nor even meant to imply it...what I said was, "IF everything else could be fixed," the waste from boats wouldn't be an issue. And I don't appreciate your twisting my words to suit your own purpose. -- Peggie ---------- Peggie Hall Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987 Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor" http://www.seaworthy.com/store/custo...0&cat=6&page=1 |
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Thanks for your advice Peggie and for taking the time to give it. It is
exactly the information I need. Peggie Hall wrote: Cam wrote: Thanks Peggie, Based on that information it looks like a handy unit to have. Anything specific I need to look for while inspecting it? Actually, how would I inspect it? Since the boat batteries are probably dead is there any manual inspection for it. It doesn't appear that the previous owner has cared for the boat to well including, probably, this unit. There's no way to test it without power. Any visual inspection wouldn't tell you anything...either the macerator and mixer motors run or they don't...either the electrode pack works or it doesn't. How old is it? The only way to tell is the type of controller. The original Lectra/San had a dial timer--now obsolete, no parts still available...that was replaced by the EC (electronic control) version...the current version is the MC model. If it doesn't still have the dial control, compare the control with the one in manual at the link I gave you to know whether its the EC or the MC. How is company support? It's excellent. Thinking of that are there specific models that need to be looked for/avoided? How would I identify those? As I said above, there are only 3 versions...the only real difference between any of 'em is the controller...the treatment unit has actually changed very little. If you were asking about buying a used one eBay, I'd tell you to avoid the dial timer...but since it's already on the boat, the system either works or it doesn't. If it doesn't, there could be several reasons, some of which--like fuses--are not expensive...others--electrode packs and controllers are...and it worries me a bit that you say the boat has been neglected. So I wouldn't consider it in deciding how much the boat is worth to you. As for comments by others... The Lectra-San kills all the bacteria. Not necessarily...it does reduce the count to 10/100 ml (the law requires only a reduction to 1000/100 ml) It does not reduce or break down the material effluent, which contains nutrients and changes the local ecological balance. Again, not quite true...The L/S does reduce BOD by 35%. The discharge has the equivilant nutrient "load" of 4 oak leaves. In fact, just ONE illegally dumped tank has more negative impact on the surrounding waters within at least a mile than 1,000 boats, all equipped with L/S in the same area for 24 hours. You'll find the results of a study he http://www.mfe.govt.nz/publications/...port-jun02.pdf Runoff from the shore and the rivers that feed coastal waters are the problem, not boats. |
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Peggie Hall wrote:
And just how many boat owners do you know who have cholera, typhoid etc? None if they avoid swimming in contaminated water. Have you ever even heard of a case that could be traced back to a recreational boat? Actually, yes. In an NC lake about 10 years ago. The culprit was a rented pontoon boat. I don't think anybody, no matter what their personal environmental policy, would say that boaters are the majority of the problem. However, a lot of people, myself included, do not believe in the pathetic excuse that "a little more won't hurt." I never said that, nor even meant to imply it... No, you didn't. But folks like Gogarty and Dave imply it very strongly. Not only that, their emotional reaction to the whole matter suggests some Freudian issues. .... And I don't appreciate your twisting my words to suit your own purpose. I didn't "twist your words" at all. Not in the slightest. DSK |
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