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"Larry W4CSC" wrote in message
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"Dan" wrote in
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How? You've just said we're 60 hours away from the nearest thing to
hit! Are you saying the sea state will make the boat fall apart? Are
you saying the masts gonna fall down and break a hole in the hull? How
often have either of these things happened to UKRSers?

You really must watch "The Perfect Storm", the movie. It is a true story
and the swell reality shown pitchpoling the fishing vessel isn't just a
writer's fantasy. I could happen to YOU.

It's a special effect, not actual film.

If the film is truly true, how can we know exactly what happened? There were
no survivors and no surviving record. It is surmise. Believe this and you'll
start believing that Arnie has in fact been sent back in time from the
future to save California from......oh forget it!


Live in the real world, not Hollywood.
(Cross posting takes us in to a wished-for world of American fantasists).
P.S. I know Arnie is actually a robot, but he won't save California with his
current budgetary policies (or lack of them).

Duncan, you are using the wrong nick. It should be "Dr. Pangloss."

By the way, my barometer on the wall opposite my desk deep in darkest Manhattan
is still pegged at the low reached here during that storm: 969 mb. Normal is
about 1014 mb.

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Gogarty wrote in
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I think I recall that original posting. Did you ever submit it to a
paying magazine? You should. It's great but not really suitable for
our Newsletter though I may print it out for a giveaway at our next
meeting. The other piece was perfect for the nesletter since the New
York Sailing Club is all about getting boat owners and clueless
potential crew together.




No, I never published it except here. Thanks for the positive comment,
however. Email it to whomever you like....

Tsk, tsk. You should bear in mind what Dr. Samuel Johnson said: "No man
but a blockhead ever wrote for anything but money."

Falling overboard got me $300.

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Personally I think this is what comes of giving kids double or queen
beds to sleep in by themselves - they get used to more space and then
a regular sleeping space is too small.

Tsk, tsk. Spoil the children. Personally, I think an old Army folding cot
is good enough for them. We have a king size at home but have no trouble
sleeping in an athwartship berth in the aft cabin. There is the crawling
over one another when one gets up and the other doesn't, but we are used to
it. Guests sleep in the main saloon, which I hate. I would like them to
cram themseleves into the "forward stateroom," AKA V-berth. But only small
children consent to go there. Spare sails are under the V-berth and in a
cockpit locker so we manage to keep the space fairly clear except when
guests come aboard with enough luggage for a round the world trip. I hate
that too. We really do try to keep things neat, shipshape and tied down.
You don't have to go far offshore to have stuff start flying around.

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keouttheP says...


This guy so far has managed to get nearly 50 replies to this question,
nearly 200 replies to a previous question. He hasn't done any sailing, he
doesn't seem to have read any sailing books.

He is choosing to post in a way that publices a marginal opinion group.

I reckon that spells Troll, or to be charitable someone with a suicidal
compulsion,

Either case he/she/it shouldn't be encouraged.

Troll or not, he has caused to be generated some very interesting and even
useful responses.

No stupid questions, only stupid mistakes.

Gogarty wrote:
keouttheP says...

Either case he/she/it shouldn't be encouraged.

Troll or not, he has caused to be generated some very interesting and even
useful responses.

No stupid questions, only stupid mistakes.

I disagree - most of his questions have been remarkably stupid. But that
doesn't mean we have to ignore them. Feel free to if *you* want to, but
it doesn't hurt anyone to reply to these questions even if they are stupid.

Pete

"Gogarty" wrote in message
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"Kevin Stevens" wrote in message
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Simon Brooke wrote:

You really must watch "The Perfect Storm", the movie. It is a true
story and the swell reality shown pitchpoling the fishing vessel
isn't
just a writer's fantasy. I could happen to YOU.

Of course, the yacht shown in that movie *didn't* sink, and was
recovered intact on the coast of, I believe the Carolinas, after the
crew was taken off.

KeS

It was not a yacht, it was a commercial fishing craft out of New England.
Have you got the right film?

The one that didn't sink was a yacht. The Coast Guard forcibly removed the
crew over the skipper's objections and at the behest of hysterical females
who sent an unauthorized Mayday.

So they weren't pitch polled & killed. So where's the problem.

"Pete Verdon" d wrote in
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I disagree - most of his questions have been remarkably stupid. But that
doesn't mean we have to ignore them. Feel free to if *you* want to, but
it doesn't hurt anyone to reply to these questions even if they are
stupid.

C'mon guys, didn't everyone have the same questions when he or she started
thinking about sailing? The OP just had the courage to actually *ask*
them.....

Meindert

Larry W4CSC wrote:

Rosalie B. wrote in
:

On our boat, we have a hatch that is right over the V-berth and if we
leave it open at night and it rains, it rains on your face and alerts
you to get up and close the hatches. Also I can exit the V-berth
through this hatch to look at the sunrise without traipsing through
the main cabin or waking Bob up.

Bob would be sleeping next to me - the people who would be in the main
cabin would be the charter captains or guests making coffee or
something.

It doesn't rain in Lionheart's V-berth or head hatches because we always
put the PortaBote over both to make a little shelter for them. Works
great

We have the staysail boom over the cabin, and there's not enough space
between that stay and the windlass for the PB to fit.

I think having the hatch open over your face is an advantage, and not
a disadvantage. I sleep better if I know I don't have to keep waking
up to see if it is raining. It's bad enough that I have to keep
waking up to check on the anchor and anchor light. .

I don't quite understand it, but Bob wakes often when I'm on watch and
we are underway, but once we anchor, I'm the one that wakes up to
check on things most of the time.

What's Bob doing sleeping in the main cabin, anyways?.....(c;

Bob doesn't sleep in the main cabin except when we are underway. He
can't sleep in the aft cabin because there's too much space there and
he rolls around when I tack - also the radios are back there. So he
takes his pillow and blanket and puts the lee cloths up and sleeps
much better in the main cabin. (I can sleep through the radios, and
if it is too rolly, I sleep athwart which he's too tall to do)

The reason I can't sleep head-first in a V-berth is my arms flail around in
my sleep too much. It's bad enough for one side to be against the hull.

I tend to sleep with my hands in my armpits to keep them warm.

grandma Rosalie

On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 13:44:11 +0000, Pete Verdon
d wrote:

Gogarty wrote:
keouttheP says...

Either case he/she/it shouldn't be encouraged.

Troll or not, he has caused to be generated some very interesting and even
useful responses.

No stupid questions, only stupid mistakes.

I disagree - most of his questions have been remarkably stupid. But that
doesn't mean we have to ignore them. Feel free to if *you* want to, but
it doesn't hurt anyone to reply to these questions even if they are stupid.

Pete

you know, asking stupid questions is a first step towards learning
enough to ask intelligent ones. And he is asking rather than just
plopping down his money on a book and setting sail. Hopefully he will
take some of the constructive advice to heart and adjust his plans to
something much safer.


Weebles Wobble
(but they don't fall down)

Duncan Heenan wrote:

"Kevin Stevens" wrote in message
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Simon Brooke wrote:


You really must watch "The Perfect Storm", the movie. It is a true
story and the swell reality shown pitchpoling the fishing vessel isn't
just a writer's fantasy. I could happen to YOU.

Of course, the yacht shown in that movie *didn't* sink, and was
recovered intact on the coast of, I believe the Carolinas, after the
crew was taken off.

KeS


It was not a yacht, it was a commercial fishing craft out of New England.
Have you got the right film?



There were two boats featured in the book. One, the fishing vessel,
sunk. The other was a sailing yacht and the account in the book has been
highly disputed by it's captain. The crew of that vessel was lifted off,
the captain under protest. Later the boat was found intact washed up on
a beach with no damage. Here is the Captains URL, with his story:

http://world.std.com/~kent/satori/

Stephen