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While choking on an orange the asphixiatingly tight latex collar began to
take effect as *Meindert Sprang* gapsed to *uk.rec.sailing* with a dying breath: "Pete Verdon" d wrote in message ... I disagree - most of his questions have been remarkably stupid. But that doesn't mean we have to ignore them. Feel free to if *you* want to, but it doesn't hurt anyone to reply to these questions even if they are stupid. C'mon guys, didn't everyone have the same questions when he or she started thinking about sailing? The OP just had the courage to actually *ask* them..... Meindert Ermm.. no... The questions I had when I first started sailing, were more focused on the process of learning to sail, not some pie in the sky fantasy of sailing single handed accross the globe over the forthcoming summer hols...[1] PG [1] Although that does appeal some what [2] [2] But I'm certain I'd either not survive[3], or wind up going the 'Long Way Round' [3] So I'll stick to the coastal stuff for a couple more years. -- Keelworm: *www.love2sail.co.uk - UK Sailing Forums* |
On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 20:49:37 -0500, Larry W4CSC
wrote: However, if I see a real beautiful machine, like that Hackercraft classic I couldn't stop running my fingers over, I'm an exceptionally nice and enthousiastic supporter. God they are beautiful. ============ Oh yes, they really are. I was fortunate enough to get a ride in a triple cockpit Hacker reproduction last summer on the St Lawrence River (Antique Boat Museum in Clayton, NY). Both the museum and the boat ride were a wonderful experience which I would recommend to anyone. |
Larry W4CSC wrote: ....snip... Two boat shows ago, I took a friend who used to own a Hatteras 56 to the local boatshow. I told him to please dress in the same clothes he mows his lawn in, instead of that doctor's suit from Brooks Brothers that would be SURE to attract the drooling sales wienies to trail us around and ruin the show. He agreed. Three dealers wouldn't let us look in their boats. Most of the others, seeing our jeans and T-shirts, just ignored us as rabble. ....snip... Oh, yeah, I can relate to that! Before the late 80's, I'd cruise boat shows or car dealers in my raggedy-ass jeans and a T-shirt, along with my long hair and beard, often closely followed by security guys but ignored by sales droids. And don't even ask about shopping for airplanes! But by the late 80's, Seattle area dealers of all sorts wised up to the fact that all the nouveau multi-millionaires from Microsoft looked more like panhadlers than CPAs and were more likely to plonk down a load of cash than most suit-and-tie drones. Nowadays, you almost see a kind of reverse snobbery locally. The dealers/salesmen tend to zero in on counter-culture looking customers and ignore the country club set. Amusing. If you live long enough... Frank (Actually, I like the Japanese version of that saying: "If you sit by the river long enough, you'll see the bodies of your enemies float by.") |
I used to work a a local Harley Davidson dealership, a couple of locally
famous brothers who owned a furniture store (and advertised on TV alot) bought bikes and were customers. One day one of the brothers was in the store with some of his friends and a bum kept going over to them and from my possition at the counter it almost looked like he was trying to panhandle in the store (they were dressed in suits). I went over to the bum to "see if I could help him" (run him off) and luckly, before I started I realized that the "bum" was the other brother. On a whim either of these guys could have dropped a sum that equaled my yearly wages and not even thought about it. I've never forgot that little lesson. Eric |
On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 22:32:34 -0500, Larry W4CSC
wrote: Hi Larry, [survey info snipped] Makes no difference. You get there when you get there, if you get there at all. You are at the total mercy of wind and waves and storm fronts and your own incompetence..... You have two problems. Single handed isn't really legal by international law as you must "Maintain a Sharp Lookout" so you don't run into anything. Around The World Alone races are simply overlooked because they move lots of expensive products with the gunwale-to-gunwale advertising, so they get away with it. NEVER SAIL TO SEA ALONE is good advise. I don't care if you're a world class triathelon champion, the sea will wear your ass down in no time at all and you'll think you just can't lift another arm or take another turn on a winch, having given up hours ago because your arms feel like lead and you can't keep your eyes open.....This is why we stand 2 hour watches with the OTHER CREW MEMBERS who've been tossing and turning in their almost sleep trying to get some sleep before it's their turn, again. By day 6, noone talks to anyone any more. They're all too tired from being thrown about, 24/7 for 6 days to talk. If it's calm and everyone gets to rest, we don't GET ANYWHERE just sitting there with all the dirty laundry flapping restlessly NOT pulling the boat through the water. If it's windy, it's rough and sleep is hard, even though you're exhausted. Now you put it like that, single-handedness is losing its appeal... TIME...... Time does not exist on a sailboat, whether it's a big slug of a cruising ketch or an ocean racer it takes 24 people to sail without flipping upside down. If anyone aboard HAS to be there on Wednesday Night....DON'T TAKE HIM ALONG! Everyone aboard must have nothing to do and no schedule for the next 8 weeks, even though we're sailing from S England to Ireland overnight. A sailboat is NOT A GOOD MODE OF TRANSPORT for modern people in a HURRY. Never hurry anyplace....unless, of course, you're racing other sailboats for the big trophy and braggin' rights. If you can't go, neither can they so it evens it up. RELAX and watch the waves....We'll get there when we get there..... I guess that's one thing on my side. Time at least I have plenty of... I see someone called you a troll. If you are, I've wasted 20 minutes. If you're not, everyone on here wondered the same things back before they could tell the main from the mizzen. Thanks, Larry. I'm *not* trolling but there are some lame-brainers here who accuse me of it every time I post something. Go figgur. It makes a pleasant change to get some constructive advice, notwithstanding much of it is deeply unattractive to here about. Still, best to be fully-informed over the pros and cons in full of what I may be letting myself in for, I guess. Now, here's what you do. First, stow any idea about buying the Contessa, no matter how smooth the sales delivery was. If you don't know any more than you profess to, here, you need to CREW on a boat around England with a knowledgeable owner, like I do. Every yachtsman at your local marina needs a helping hand to fix his big monster, and an able hand to sail it. BEFRIEND THEM....None has ever bitten me, at least not yet. Once you learn the basics and they find out how nice a guy you are, not complaining and being so helpful by fixing whatever you can fix, your demand quotient goes WAY up. I'd rather crew on a boat I could never afford with a friendly captain and his family, than buy the boat I can really afford that's too small to go anywhere. I'm quite fortunate to be an electronics technician (demand is high) with marine experience (US Navy) and a fair seaman who doesn't like to drink the captain into the poorhouse. I'm his "Chief Engineer". He calls me and wants a new water pump for the fresh water. "I've left it in the V-berth. Do you think you could install it so we can go sailing when I come down next Thursday?", he'll hint. Of course I can! When do we leave?! My captain is "well off", he doesn't need more money. He's was forever trying to give me money for working on his boat. "I don't want your money, captain." (MUSIC TO THEIR EARS!) "Well, what do you want?", he asked me. "Simply take me with you.", was my answer. I've been going ever since....standing my watches, fixing and installing all the toys, rewiring what needs rewiring. Last week we moved from our old marina that's been bought out by some condo shysters to the City Marina which has free cable TV. So, I had to install a new LCD TV and wire the boat for cable TV. Now, the neighbor's wife, friends who moved en masse with us to the new marina to maintain the little community of dock family, has me scheduled to wire HER boat with cable TV, as soon as she's got the new LCD TV out of hubby...(c; Can you: ** Fix diesel engines...or at least troubleshoot one for simple problems? Change filters? Do dirty things to it? YOU'RE IN! Yup, I'm pretty good at that kind of stuff, fortunately. ** Wire electrical DC and AC toys up in the boat? YOU'RE IN! Yep, I'm into radio & electronics like you and a G4 (the *proper* UK ham licence) so electrics & comms are no problem either. ** Fix fresh water pumps, water heaters, simple plumbing, repair and refinish wood, fix mechanical things as simple as a pulley on a pin? YOU'RE IN! Yeah, I can handle that. Must remember to mention these things to any prospective cap'n. :-) You can learn to sail and have a helluva great time while you're doing it....in exchange for a little labor, your personal expertise and make a friend for life in the process. Do that before buying anything or just going blindly into the Contessa with no experience. Hell, if you're lucky, you'll be on some 55' cruiser headed for the Windward Islands at virtually no expense to you. My last month-long Florida vacation cost me $90...(c; Oh, by the way, the adrenaline rush of a big ketch 200 miles offshore with its toerail in the water just haulin' ass through the ocean in the 12' swells in a 35 knot "crosswind" is just fantastic! Go for it! That must rank as about the most informative and helpful reply I've had thus far. You've sold me on the idea of crewing first at least - and maybe saved me a lot of money and trouble as well! Many thanks, Larry. -- "Suffer no one to tell you what to think." Martin Smith, the New Conservative Party. http://www.newconservativeparty.org |
On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 07:20:54 -0800, Stephen Trapani
wrote: Duncan Heenan wrote: "Stephen Trapani" wrote in message ... Duncan Heenan wrote: "JR Gilbreath" wrote in message et... Duncan, are you still be ****ed about losing the colonies? JR So you ARE American, and that DOES explain a lot! PS How do you like owning Afghanistan and Iraq? Fabulous! The price of gasoline is dropping like a stone thanks to, um, all that oil in Afghanistan! Stephen And your point is??? I'll leave that for you to work out on your own. Heroin's also dirt-cheap in Britain now that Afghanistan's back to full production of the stuff. -- "Suffer no one to tell you what to think." Martin Smith, the New Conservative Party. http://www.newconservativeparty.org |
On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 18:59:45 -0500, Larry W4CSC
wrote: Nope....wrong thinking. When you're "out there", even only 397 miles "out there"....YOUR STRANDED OUT THERE!! It's FOREVER to "shelter"....in 25' waves crashing over the broken mast stub, the mast and its sails long gone....Not fun. Larry, I admire your forthrightness, but now you're starting to scare me. If sailing were like that for anything other than the odd very bad experience, surely *no one* would go near a boat! -- "Suffer no one to tell you what to think." Martin Smith, the New Conservative Party. http://www.newconservativeparty.org |
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On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 01:49:04 GMT, New Conservative
wrote: Yes, thanks, I've certainly taken on board (get the pun?) the advice so far and am grateful for it. So far as the troll/suicide accusation is concerned, I think that's just sour grapes over the politics of the New Conservative website rather than the nature of the (admittedly dumb) questions I've posed. If Mr. Temple Fry and his admirers don't want to assist me, then they're not obliged to! Unlike them, we in the New Conservatives (no connect with the US 'Neocons') believe in completely free speech among many other important democratic freedoms that I'll be only to happy to tell him all about at great length if I have to put up with any more of his silly nonsense about trolling/suicide (which is a bloody ignorant, stupid and offensive remark to make anyway in a public forum where any participant could have suffered such a loss to which Mr. T-F and his pals seem haughtily indifferent.) To everyone else, however, thanks again. Seriously though, crew on a 30 footer off the English coast as one of three people, or rent a dinghy in the Solent and flop around in light air until you feel you've got the basics. There is no substitute for doing, and you are asking questions that can be answered by any of several hundred web sites. No offence meant, but you will have better questions having tipped a boat over several times without serious incident. R. |
On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:37:50 -0000, "Ian Petrie"
wrote: The book on the other hand is well worth reading. The tension is all set with the meteorologists and the development of the storm - recommended. The book is also partly fiction, particularly in regard to the fate of the small yacht portrayed. See http://world.std.com/~kent/satori/ for the true story. The boat survived, was recovered and hauled off a beach, repaired and sailed for many years by its skipper until being sold. It's still sailing today. R. |
On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 22:56:38 -0500, rhys wrote:
On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:37:50 -0000, "Ian Petrie" wrote: The book on the other hand is well worth reading. The tension is all set with the meteorologists and the development of the storm - recommended. The book is also partly fiction, particularly in regard to the fate of the small yacht portrayed. See http://world.std.com/~kent/satori/ for the true story. The boat survived, was recovered and hauled off a beach, repaired and sailed for many years by its skipper until being sold. It's still sailing today. R. This has come up over and over. The book is not fiction. What happened to Satori after the storm has nothing to do with the book, which describes the CG tug struggling at 3 knots to get there. Rodney Myrvaagnes J36 Gjo/a For your upscale SUV: Dingle-balls hand knit of natural Icelandic yarn |
in message , New
Conservative ') wrote: On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 22:32:34 -0500, Larry W4CSC wrote: Hi Larry, [survey info snipped] Makes no difference. You get there when you get there, if you get there at all. You are at the total mercy of wind and waves and storm fronts and your own incompetence..... You have two problems. Single handed isn't really legal by international law as you must "Maintain a Sharp Lookout" so you don't run into anything. Around The World Alone races are simply overlooked because they move lots of expensive products with the gunwale-to-gunwale advertising, so they get away with it. NEVER SAIL TO SEA ALONE is good advise. I don't care if you're a world class triathelon champion, the sea will wear your ass down in no time at all and you'll think you just can't lift another arm or take another turn on a winch, having given up hours ago because your arms feel like lead and you can't keep your eyes open.....This is why we stand 2 hour watches with the OTHER CREW MEMBERS who've been tossing and turning in their almost sleep trying to get some sleep before it's their turn, again. By day 6, noone talks to anyone any more. They're all too tired from being thrown about, 24/7 for 6 days to talk. If it's calm and everyone gets to rest, we don't GET ANYWHERE just sitting there with all the dirty laundry flapping restlessly NOT pulling the boat through the water. If it's windy, it's rough and sleep is hard, even though you're exhausted. Now you put it like that, single-handedness is losing its appeal... The trouble with newsgroups is that you have to judge for yourself to what extent the people on it know what they're talking about. Yes, there is a question mark over the legality of single handed sailing, because of the watch keeping issue. There always has been - this isn't some new rule. In practice, if you're sailing a small boat, this isn't a problem. If you have reasonable self steering gear the boat is going to look after herself a great deal of the time. In my (limited) experience, the main problem with cruising single handed is taking enough books to read. Yes, there will be some days of bad weather, and you will need to know how to look after your boat through those. Yes, there may be some days of flat calm, which are pretty trying in my experience. But going to sea is not generally some dreadful experience, and the people who are claiming it is have probably never tried it. If your boat isn't comfortable, that's your problem for having chosen the wrong boat or for not having equipped her right. I would not advise you to buy a boat and immediately sail across the Atlantic single handed. In fact, I would very strongly advise you not to. I'd advise you to go sailing with different people on different boats to learn what sort of boat you like and to gain experience before you buy anything at all. But if sailing across the Atlantic without experience is what you want to do it is not /outrageously/ unsafe. You have a better than evens chance of making it, and, in my opinion, a better than 90% chance of surviving it. You'll also learn a lot about yourself in the process. -- (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/ Anagram: I'm soon broke. |
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In other words, we can't take you seriously as a sailor or even a wanna-be.
-- Dennis Gibbons dkgibbons at optonline dot net "rhys" wrote in message ... On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 01:49:04 GMT, New Conservative wrote: Yes, thanks, I've certainly taken on board (get the pun?) the advice so far and am grateful for it. So far as the troll/suicide accusation is concerned, I think that's just sour grapes over the politics of the New Conservative website rather than the nature of the (admittedly dumb) questions I've posed. If Mr. Temple Fry and his admirers don't want to assist me, then they're not obliged to! Unlike them, we in the New Conservatives (no connect with the US 'Neocons') believe in completely free speech among many other important democratic freedoms that I'll be only to happy to tell him all about at great length if I have to put up with any more of his silly nonsense about trolling/suicide (which is a bloody ignorant, stupid and offensive remark to make anyway in a public forum where any participant could have suffered such a loss to which Mr. T-F and his pals seem haughtily indifferent.) To everyone else, however, thanks again. Seriously though, crew on a 30 footer off the English coast as one of three people, or rent a dinghy in the Solent and flop around in light air until you feel you've got the basics. There is no substitute for doing, and you are asking questions that can be answered by any of several hundred web sites. No offence meant, but you will have better questions having tipped a boat over several times without serious incident. R. |
"Frank" wrote in
oups.com: Oh, yeah, I can relate to that! Before the late 80's, I'd cruise boat shows or car dealers in my raggedy-ass jeans and a T-shirt, along with my long hair and beard, often closely followed by security guys but ignored by sales droids. Thanks. That's us at a boatshow...(c; I also find it amusing if your boat clothes smell faintly of diesel fuel... |
JR Gilbreath wrote in
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New Conservative wrote in
: That must rank as about the most informative and helpful reply I've had thus far. You've sold me on the idea of crewing first at least - and maybe saved me a lot of money and trouble as well! Many thanks, Larry. Crewing is great....er, ah, especially the part where I go over to the marine store to spend someone ELSE'S money...(c; I think it's better to crew than to own your own boat. It takes little money, you don't HAVE to go if you don't want to, and there's no monthly money flow. I get a great feeling out of helping someone else fixing their stuff. Spent all morning, yesterday, with another ham friend re-installing a new radar dome, some halyards/blocks, a new Windex and checking out the VHF antennas atop the masts and lighting. He had to go to work at 1 so we couldn't hang around the boat all afternoon and drink beer....darn it. Maybe later this afternoon....(c; |
On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 09:52:15 -0500, Gogarty
wrote: In article , says... This has come up over and over. The book is not fiction. What happened to Satori after the storm has nothing to do with the book, which describes the CG tug struggling at 3 knots to get there. Rodney, the book is not fiction but even the author conceded that he needed to have done more work verifying some of the information. His most grievous lapse was in failing to interview the owner of the Andrea Gail, who comes in for a lot of criticism in the book, all of it second hand. I am familiar with all of this. See the archives. It was Satori in this thread, not Mr. Brown. Rodney Myrvaagnes J36 Gjo/a For your upscale SUV: Dingle-balls hand knit of natural Icelandic yarn |
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There was a report, not long ago, of a boater getting a call from the cops
in Hawaii. He had been pulled off his sloop with his wife in a storm and they had assumed, wrongly, that his yacht had gone down. The cops in Hawaii, months or years later, had found his abandoned boat at the entrance to one of Hawaii's harbors and had towed it in.....in good condition. I know the "boater" and the "boat" you are referring to in this story, and the story is even better than that: The story begins in a marina on the West side of Oahu, Hawaii. The fellow you're talking about spent years building his "ultimate" cruising yacht (and from what I had seen of it, it certainly looked "good enough"). He spent alot of time at the marina here touting his "extensive" ocean going experience and his plans for moving back to California and perhaps cruising South. (If you've been around the docks as long as many of us here have, you learn to "spot" the real vs. the imaginary. This guy was pure imaginary...) He finally took off from Oahu bound for S. California with his girlfriend (zero sailing, boating or ocean going experience) and her young daughter (even less experience than her mother) as crew. This was the first time the three sailed together, and the first time the owner had sailed in years. They also traveled in company with a friend (also from Oahu) on a smaller yacht (it was a Catalina or Hunter I believe, can't remember). In the final days of their trip, and some 300 miles from California, the weather got "brisk". Their friend on the smaller yacht made it into port without incident. At this point, I'm told their autopilot wasn't able handle the boat any longer for some reason (perhaps not knowing how to trim or reef their sails?) and the owner hand steered for some 20-30 hours straight. Meanwhile, the girlfriend and young daughter refused to come on deck (I think the sudden realization that it can get dangerous out there may have contributed to this) and so the owner was left alone on deck to handle the boat by himself. Eventually the owner decided he could travel no further, and put out a mayday call. The Coast Guard diverted a freighter to their position, and in "brisk" Pacific conditions (30-35 knots, 10-12 foot seas) came alongside the yacht and lowered the pilot ladder. As the 3 clammoured up the ladder, the yacht slammed into the freighter, breaking a spreader and the top of the mast. Incidently, the owner was told by the Coast Guard to "scuttle" his yacht as he departed it, but he refused to do so, thus leaving his yacht to drift, unmarked and unlit. His "heroic" story was published in Lattitude 38 and his former neighbors here put together a collection to help them financially (they had no insurance). Stay with me, the story continues: In addition to the monies raised by the local sailors here, a former neighbor offered to help this guy out by buying him another yacht. He tracked down a similar boat, bought it and gave it to our hapless fellow, and even delivered it to the guy in California. (The guy is a wealthy, retired rancher from Montana that now lives on his boat.) Not 30 days after getting his new "gift" yacht, the hapless sailor in California got a call from the Coast Guard, that his "lost" yacht was spotted some 100 miles off Hilo Harbor (Hawaii Island) and was being taken in tow by a commercial towing company. The yacht was ultimately towed back to the -exact- same slip here on Oahu it had sat in for years before. I took a good look at this yacht that supposedly had been exposed to the "storm of the century" and the -only- damage I saw was the broken spreader and mast that happened when it collided with the rescuing freighter. An Igloo cooler that had been left on the foredeck when it was abandoned, was still there! Otherwise, the yacht was completely intact. The hapless sailor flew to Oahu to inspect his rescued yacht. A bill for towing the yacht to Oahu was still due, and our hapless sailor refused to pay. The former neighbor that had helped him before, paid it for him. The yacht was later fixed up and sold it to defray some of his expenses. There are many lessons to be learned by this story, but I'm afraid this sailor probably didn't learn any of them. I wish I could say that this was an isolated incident, but unfortunately I've seen similar situations happen time and again. -- =-------------------------------------------------= Renewontime A FREE email reminder service for licensed mariners http://www.renewontime.com =-------------------------------------------------= |
This has come up over and over. The book is not fiction. What
happened to Satori after the storm has nothing to do with the book, which describes the CG tug struggling at 3 knots to get there. Rodney, the book is not fiction but even the author conceded that he needed to have done more work verifying some of the information. His most grievous lapse was in failing to interview the owner of the Andrea Gail, who comes in for a lot of criticism in the book, all of it second hand. . He didn't bother interviewing the owner of Satori, either. Even after there were complaints made about how he had misrepresented events he did not bother to interview him. He did add in later editions that the sailboat survived, but was not diligent enough to even verify which state it came ashore in, getting that wrong too. These are mistakes and omissions of careless disregard. No excuse. |
Larry W4CSC wrote:
I also find it amusing if your boat clothes smell faintly of diesel fuel... My hat does. Pete |
Rosalie B. wrote:
I think having the hatch open over your face is an advantage, and not a disadvantage. I sleep better if I know I don't have to keep waking up to see if it is raining. Why *do* you have to check if it's raining? Pete |
Pete Verdon d wrote:
Rosalie B. wrote: I think having the hatch open over your face is an advantage, and not a disadvantage. I sleep better if I know I don't have to keep waking up to see if it is raining. Why *do* you have to check if it's raining? So I can close the hatches and stuff inside the boat doesn't get wet. We keep the hatches open when it is hot for ventilation. (Possibly not a problem in the UK) grandma Rosalie S/V RosalieAnn, Leonardtown, MD CSY 44 WO #156 http://home.mindspring.com/~gmbeasley/id1.html |
Rosalie B. wrote:
Pete Verdon d wrote: Why *do* you have to check if it's raining? So I can close the hatches and stuff inside the boat doesn't get wet. We keep the hatches open when it is hot for ventilation. (Possibly not a problem in the UK) Ah, I see. No, I don't really find that a problem. We[1] generally pull the main hatch across but leave the washboards out, and open the forepeak hatch a couple of inches - enough for ventilation but not to let rain in unless it's *really* chucking it down. I've sailed in warmer places where you definitely want all hatches open (and windscoops, and fans turned on if the boat has them) but there wasn't any chance of rain. Pete [1] My friends/family, I'm not trying to speak for everyone in ukrs |
"renewontime dot com" wrote in message ... snip In addition to the monies raised by the local sailors here, a former neighbor offered to help this guy out by buying him another yacht. He tracked down a similar boat, bought it and gave it to our hapless fellow, and even delivered it to the guy in California. (The guy is a wealthy, retired rancher from Montana that now lives on his boat.) snip... .. The former neighbor that had helped him before, paid it for him. The yacht was later fixed up and sold it to defray some of his expenses. Please introduce me to this generous former rancher. My sailboat is a bit too small and I really need a bigger one. |
Pete Verdon d wrote:
Rosalie B. wrote: Pete Verdon d wrote: Why *do* you have to check if it's raining? So I can close the hatches and stuff inside the boat doesn't get wet. We keep the hatches open when it is hot for ventilation. (Possibly not a problem in the UK) Ah, I see. No, I don't really find that a problem. We[1] generally pull the main hatch across but leave the washboards out, and open the forepeak hatch a couple of inches - enough for ventilation but not to let rain in unless it's *really* chucking it down. I've sailed in warmer places where you definitely want all hatches open (and windscoops, and fans turned on if the boat has them) but there wasn't any chance of rain. Pete [1] My friends/family, I'm not trying to speak for everyone in ukrs Our boat was made for the Caribbean and we sail on the East coast of the US, so it is frequently hot, humid and airless and there's almost always a chance of rain under conditions like that. (Didn't D.C. used to be hazardous duty for English ambassadors?) We have a center cockpit so two companionways with hatchboards in each, and 19 opening ports (if you count the one from the sink to the cockpit, plus 6 (I think) deck hatches - 2 aft, 2 forward and 2 in the main cabin. We do also have 12v fans in the Vberth and the aft cabin. Don't have any wind scoops though. grandma Rosalie S/V RosalieAnn, Leonardtown, MD CSY 44 WO #156 http://home.mindspring.com/~gmbeasley/id1.html |
On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 13:55:05 -0500, Gogarty
wrote: In article , says... I am familiar with all of this. See the archives. It was Satori in this thread, not Mr. Brown. I have enough trouble keeping up with what's current in the NGs I follow. I certainly can't take the time to check the archives. Point taken. As for this thread, my impression was it was about (or had become about) Perfect Storm and not just about the beached yacht. Perfect Storm is a fine, but humanly imperfect, piece of book journalism. Everything in it is attributed. As a journalist, I would be proud to have written it. Rodney Myrvaagnes NYC We have achieved faith-based science, faith-based economics, faith-based law enforcement, and faith-based missile defense. What's next? Faith-based air traffic control? |
Rosalie B. wrote:
Our boat was made for the Caribbean and we sail on the East coast of the US, so it is frequently hot, humid and airless Don't have any wind scoops though. No? Most of the boats I've sailed on in hot places have had one for the fore-hatch, and they make a big difference down below if there's any breeze at all. It's a small triangle of sailcloth, about three feet tall and with the bottom edge long enough to go round three sides of the hatch. There's a cord from the point which you tie to something above the deck (often one of the jib sheets[1]) and a drawstring arrangement at the bottom which fixes it around the hatch. You set it up facing into the breeze, and it deflects air downwards through the hatch. I remember seeing an X-shaped one recently which looked quite good as it wouldn't need to be pointed into the wind. Pete [1] Assuming roller furling |
Pete Verdon d wrote in
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renewontime dot com wrote in
: There are many lessons to be learned by this story, but I'm afraid this sailor probably didn't learn any of them. I wish I could say that this was an isolated incident, but unfortunately I've seen similar situations happen time and again. -- Thanks for clarifying the story. Most interesting..... One wonders of the boats would be sometimes better off if the sailors just went below and left them to themselves, sailless of course. |
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New Conservative wrote in
: Yes, thanks, I've certainly taken on board (get the pun?) the advice so far and am grateful for it. So far as the troll/suicide accusation is concerned, I think that's just sour grapes over the politics of the New Conservative website rather than the nature of the (admittedly dumb) questions I've posed. If Mr. Temple Fry and his admirers don't want to assist me, then they're not obliged to! Unlike them, we in the New Conservatives (no connect with the US 'Neocons') believe in completely free speech among many other important democratic freedoms that I'll be only to happy to tell him all about at great length if I have to put up with any more of his silly nonsense about trolling/suicide (which is a bloody ignorant, stupid and offensive remark to make anyway in a public forum where any participant could have suffered such a loss to which Mr. T-F and his pals seem haughtily indifferent.) To everyone else, however, thanks again. Please keep all politics, no matter what, out of the boating newsgroups. I'd even suggest taking away the flag-waving-at-the-bull tagline at the bottom of your messages. rec.boats has been just decimated by the political bull**** arguments by the children in the sandbox. It has no place here, in either r.b.c or u.r.s on your side of the pond. |
Rosalie B. wrote in
: I think having the hatch open over your face is an advantage, and not a disadvantage. I sleep better if I know I don't have to keep waking up to see if it is raining. It's bad enough that I have to keep waking up to check on the anchor and anchor light. . Hee hee.....I put a screen into the hatch over the V-berth in that marina that's in Mosquito Bay near Ponce Inlet, FL. God they were just eating us ALIVE! I clicked on the cabin light and the mosquitoes that had already gotten their fill of my blood were being held IN the cabin in droves by my screen..... I never want to sleep near Mosquito Bay again...no thanks! I spent the night in the marina office the rentacop let me into laying on the table by the TV in the captain's lounge.... |
Larry W4CSC wrote:
Pete Verdon d wrote Clothing smelling of diesel My hat does. Oh, Pete, you ARE a bad boy.....right under their noses....hee hee. Thanks! I have to try that.... It's not deliberate, I assure you. A small matter of the transducer popping out in a chartered boat, that wasn't noticed until water was sloshing over the bunks. There must have been half of Kuwait under the engine, and most of it went in people's clothes. Mine were stowed in plastic bags in lockers right up under the deck, so no damage at all, but my hat wasn't quite so lucky. Gives it character. Pete |
"Ian Petrie" wrote in message news:opsnex9cloy2hkvz@aloysius... On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 07:37:27 -0000, Duncan Heenan wrote: You really must watch "The Perfect Storm", the movie. It is a true story The film is crap - the "demands" of the hollywood lowest dumb denominator factor meant that everything was hung round some big waves and a bit of " will she get her tits out" The book on the other hand is well worth reading. The tension is all set with the meteorologists and the development of the storm - recommended. Ian -- Remove nospam from address to reply Just for the sake of my self esteem, let it be known that I didn't ever say " You really must watch "The Perfect Storm", the movie. It is a true story" Someone snipped the previous post to make it look like me, but I actually posted a response to that statement saying it was a display of Hollywood special effects. |
Larry W4CSC wrote:
Rosalie B. wrote in : I think having the hatch open over your face is an advantage, and not a disadvantage. I sleep better if I know I don't have to keep waking up to see if it is raining. It's bad enough that I have to keep waking up to check on the anchor and anchor light. . Hee hee.....I put a screen into the hatch over the V-berth in that marina that's in Mosquito Bay near Ponce Inlet, FL. God they were just eating us ALIVE! I clicked on the cabin light and the mosquitoes that had already gotten their fill of my blood were being held IN the cabin in droves by my screen..... I never want to sleep near Mosquito Bay again...no thanks! I spent the night in the marina office the rentacop let me into laying on the table by the TV in the captain's lounge.... We have screens over all the opening ports, and can put one into the companionway hatch and the overhead hatches. They aren't fine enough for no-see-ums though. (particularly bad on the gas dock at Frenchman's Marina) In that case, we just have to shut the boat up and suffer in the heat. We have fans but not A/C. grandma Rosalie http://www12.virtualtourist.com/m/4a9c6/ |
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