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JR Gilbreath wrote:
Fine. How does it feel being a lap dog? That's what I love about America! Punish everyone who won't help with their stupid imperialist ******** and accuse anyone who does help of being a poodle!!! Bunch of weirdos. |
Larry W4CSC wrote in his simulated living aboard
piece Boats don't have room for "beds", as such. Fold your Sealy Posturepedic up against a wall, it won't fit on a boat. Go to a hobby fabric store and buy a foam pad 5' 10" long and 4' wide AND NO MORE THAN 3" THICK. Cut it into a triangle so the little end is only 12" wide. This simulates the foam pad in the V-berth up in the pointy bow of the sailboat. Bring in the kitchen table from the kitchen you're not allowed to use. Put the pad UNDER the table, on the floor, so you can simulate the 3' of headroom over the pad. Block off both long sides of the pad, and the pointy end so you have to climb aboard the V-berth from the wide end where your pillows will be. The hull blocks off the sides of a V-berth and you have to climb up over the end of it through a narrow opening (hatch to main cabin) on a boat. You'll climb over your mate's head to go to the potty in the night. No fun for either party. Test her mettle and resolve by getting up this way right after you go to bed at night. snip.... You need to find out how much climbing over her she will tolerate BEFORE you're stuck with a big boat and big marina bills and she refuses to sleep aboard it any more..... I have never quite understood sleeping with my feet at the pointy end. The first time I ever slept aboard a boat it was a charter, and we were in the V-berth. I looked at it and instantly decided to sleep with my head at the pointy end, and moved the pillows to that end. It's not THAT narrow that both Bob and I can't both fit our heads there. I'd rather have my head near his than my feet near his feet or my head at his feet which would be completely unsatisfactory. This has the advantage that we can crawl in AND back out (without turning around) and it doesn't disturb the other person. It's MUCH better than an athwart berth in that respect. Also, I can get one foot outside of the covers - I can't sleep if I can't get my feet out from under the sheet. The only disadvantage I can see is that the reading light on the bulkhead is now at my feet. If I want to read, I just take my pillow down there and sit at the 'foot'. On our boat, we have a hatch that is right over the V-berth and if we leave it open at night and it rains, it rains on your face and alerts you to get up and close the hatches. Also I can exit the V-berth through this hatch to look at the sunrise without traipsing through the main cabin or waking Bob up. Why don't other people do this? grandma Rosalie |
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Duncan Heenan wrote:
"Stephen Trapani" wrote in message ... Duncan Heenan wrote: "JR Gilbreath" wrote in message t... Duncan, are you still be ****ed about losing the colonies? JR So you ARE American, and that DOES explain a lot! PS How do you like owning Afghanistan and Iraq? Fabulous! The price of gasoline is dropping like a stone thanks to, um, all that oil in Afghanistan! Stephen And your point is??? I'll leave that for you to work out on your own. Stephen |
On 9 Mar 2005 10:46:05 -0600, Dave wrote:
Generally there are just two of us aboard, but where do you folks stow the sails when guests are aboard overnight? ============= On deck. Don't forget to tie them down in case you have a storm during the night. |
Rosalie B. wrote:
I have never quite understood sleeping with my feet at the pointy end. The first time I ever slept aboard a boat it was a charter, and we were in the V-berth. I looked at it and instantly decided to sleep with my head at the pointy end, and moved the pillows to that end. Probably depends on the boat. Many of them are narrow enough that two people's shoulders wouldn't physically fit, let alone be comfortable. Pete |
Pete Verdon d wrote:
Rosalie B. wrote: I have never quite understood sleeping with my feet at the pointy end. The first time I ever slept aboard a boat it was a charter, and we were in the V-berth. I looked at it and instantly decided to sleep with my head at the pointy end, and moved the pillows to that end. Probably depends on the boat. Many of them are narrow enough that two people's shoulders wouldn't physically fit, let alone be comfortable. I usually sleep with my feet even with his, and since I'm shorter, that means that my shoulders are at a different level than his. I've been in regular beds less than (3/4) where both of us could not have our shoulders flat at the same time, and the beds were the same length all the way down (on a narrowboat). Was not a problem. We also had a somewhat narrow double in London. The only real problem in each place was that one side of the bed was against a wall. Mostly we don't sleep on our backs or on our stomachs, but spoon fashion. And when he turns over, I turn over too. It might be more of a problem if we were taller, but neither of us is over 6 feet. Personally I think this is what comes of giving kids double or queen beds to sleep in by themselves - they get used to more space and then a regular sleeping space is too small. grandma Rosalie S/V RosalieAnn, Leonardtown, MD CSY 44 WO #156 http://home.mindspring.com/~gmbeasley/id1.html |
Wayne.B wrote:
On 9 Mar 2005 10:46:05 -0600, Dave wrote: Generally there are just two of us aboard, but where do you folks stow the sails when guests are aboard overnight? ============= On deck. Don't forget to tie them down in case you have a storm during the night. We only have one set of sails and they are on the boat. When we take the sails off to haul the boat, they do go in the V-berth. Normally of course, we sleep in the aft cabin, and use the V-berth as a garage to store scuba gear, extra solar panels etc. We have a separate shower, so when we have guests, all that stuff goes in the shower (it's packed to the top), and we have to go into marinas each night if our guests are of the type that have to shower every day and if the weather etc is such that we can't use the deck shower. grandma Rosalie S/V RosalieAnn, Leonardtown, MD CSY 44 WO #156 http://home.mindspring.com/~gmbeasley/id1.html |
Rosalie B. wrote:
Personally I think this is what comes of giving kids double or queen beds to sleep in by themselves - they get used to more space and then a regular sleeping space is too small. Ah, I'm alright then. I still turn over with a kind of mini-bounce in-place because the ex-army beds at boarding school were really narrow. Pete |
This guy so far has managed to get nearly 50 replies to this question,
nearly 200 replies to a previous question. He hasn't done any sailing, he doesn't seem to have read any sailing books. He is choosing to post in a way that publices a marginal opinion group. I reckon that spells Troll, or to be charitable someone with a suicidal compulsion, Either case he/she/it shouldn't be encouraged. "New Conservative" wrote in message ... Hi all, First of all, what's a "survey" - when is it necessary and how much does it cost? Next: How long would it take to sail single-handedly from S/England to the Windward Islands given average weather conditions at a reasonably favorable time of year in a Contessa 32 or Nic 32? Next: If one ends up in some distant safe harbor somewhere abroad; what right (if any) does one have to simply tie-up at a convenient mooring and go to sleep for say 24hrs? I'm thinking here about an analogy with a deckchair dude; do you just 'park-up' and wait for someone to charge you for your stay? And what prospect of getting a space in such a harbor? Finally, what's the difference between a "berth" and a "cabin"? I realize these are stupid questions, but beg your indulgence. -- "Suffer no one to tell you what to think." Martin Smith, the New Conservative Party. http://www.newconservativeparty.org |
"Don White" wrote in
: Boy...you must be a real 'ray of sunshine' at the boat shows! Do they pay you to stay away? No, but my Sea Ray dealer refused to service my crappy Sea Ray because I didn't pay him $3500 more for it than I paid for it.......a great reflection on Sea Ray, wouldn't you say? Two boat shows ago, I took a friend who used to own a Hatteras 56 to the local boatshow. I told him to please dress in the same clothes he mows his lawn in, instead of that doctor's suit from Brooks Brothers that would be SURE to attract the drooling sales wienies to trail us around and ruin the show. He agreed. Three dealers wouldn't let us look in their boats. Most of the others, seeing our jeans and T-shirts, just ignored us as rabble. One young salesman at Seel's Marine was nice enough to ask us if we had any questions about the nice Grady-White (with Yamaha 150 Ocean) runabout we were looking at. He wasn't threatening, wasn't nasty to us like most of the rest and seemed genuinely interested in selling us this boat. As he came up to us, I was head-first inside a cabinet looking at the fine fiberglass work the Grady-White employees had done to a first-class hull. My friend says, "What do you think, Larry?" I snapped my fingers while still hiding in the cabinet and said, "Check Book." He wrote the kid the check for the show price discount, about the time one of the bigshot suits came wandering over to see if he needed to call the cops to get rid of us. We made sure the kid got the commission for the sale as he was the only person we would talk to. His boss seemed impressed...(c; They brought the boat over that night and we headed out for the Cadillac dealer to buy him a new Escalade to tow it with....just in case....(c; I'm afraid I am a little embarrassing at boat shows, however. If I see a piece of crap, I call it a piece of crap. Most new boats are, you know. However, if I see a real beautiful machine, like that Hackercraft classic I couldn't stop running my fingers over, I'm an exceptionally nice and enthousiastic supporter. God they are beautiful. It almost seems criminal to float them off the trailer, along with the Hinckleys and Nissens.....(sigh) |
Rosalie B. wrote in
: I have never quite understood sleeping with my feet at the pointy end. The first time I ever slept aboard a boat it was a charter, and we were in the V-berth. I looked at it and instantly decided to sleep with my head at the pointy end, and moved the pillows to that end. It's not THAT narrow that both Bob and I can't both fit our heads there. I'd rather have my head near his than my feet near his feet or my head at his feet which would be completely unsatisfactory. Rosalie, don't ever crawl into Lionheart's aft cabin with its full-width double berth covered with that wonderful soft sheepskin my captain loves to get the girls into.....(c; |
Rosalie B. wrote in
: On our boat, we have a hatch that is right over the V-berth and if we leave it open at night and it rains, it rains on your face and alerts you to get up and close the hatches. Also I can exit the V-berth through this hatch to look at the sunrise without traipsing through the main cabin or waking Bob up. It doesn't rain in Lionheart's V-berth or head hatches because we always put the PortaBote over both to make a little shelter for them. Works great. What's Bob doing sleeping in the main cabin, anyways?.....(c; The reason I can't sleep head-first in a V-berth is my arms flail around in my sleep too much. It's bad enough for one side to be against the hull. |
Gogarty wrote in
: I think I recall that original posting. Did you ever submit it to a paying magazine? You should. It's great but not really suitable for our Newsletter though I may print it out for a giveaway at our next meeting. The other piece was perfect for the nesletter since the New York Sailing Club is all about getting boat owners and clueless potential crew together. No, I never published it except here. Thanks for the positive comment, however. Email it to whomever you like.... |
JR Gilbreath wrote in
: Larry I wasn't nice? What should I have said? JR I find silence the most effective weapon against a troll.....They just can't stand it if they can't get a rise out of you...just like the bully at the bar. Just killfile him and move on..... |
"Dan" wrote in
ups.com: How? You've just said we're 60 hours away from the nearest thing to hit! Are you saying the sea state will make the boat fall apart? Are you saying the masts gonna fall down and break a hole in the hull? How often have either of these things happened to UKRSers? You really must watch "The Perfect Storm", the movie. It is a true story and the swell reality shown pitchpoling the fishing vessel isn't just a writer's fantasy. I could happen to YOU. Rule 1 - It is ALWAYS better to be standing on the dock, wishing you were at sea....than to be at sea, wishing you were on the dock! But if you're going to be 60 hours off shore you're gonna have make sure you're boat is up to anything that might come along and chance the weather. There is no boat made that is "up to anything that might come along".....well, less than maybe an icebreaker and that's iffy. You will never own a boat that can survive "anything". The sea can take whatever you buy and just turn it into rubble in a matter of minutes if it feels like it. One of the greatest feelings of being at sea is the feeling of total submission to the sea's will. Wait until you've been sailing in the pitch dark for 11 hours, the sun rises and you suddenly see some HUGE object just floating by that could simply smash your hull to bits. I had that feeling coming up from Florida about 180 miles off the Georgia Coast. We were eating breakfast with the autopilot steering an Endeavour 35 sloop under sail, the radar watch set. Just as I opened my mouth to fill it with more eggs benedict, this HUGE CABLE REEL, made of wood and invisible to the radar, sailed by about 50 yards behind my other friend delivering the boat! It must have been 30' diameter, 12' wide?...something like that. I went to look at it on the radar and the 2KW Raymarine never made a blip, as it trailed away behind us. If we'd hit that at 8 knots in the dark, it would have ripped the Endeavour's bow clean off in the 6' swells we had the night before. Been there, done that, had that sickening feeling, got the T-shirt..... There's plenty to run into in the open ocean....besides those 50' waves wiping the deck clean of sailing gear.... |
Larry W4CSC wrote:
Just killfile him and move on..... Larry You must have missed the one where I apologized but I'm not going to get into that again anyway. BTW, I live about 10 miles from your captain and used to work with some people that lived in the same subdivision. JR |
So why are you encouraging him (she, it) by continuing to post?
"Nick Temple-Fry" theP wrote in message ... This guy so far has managed to get nearly 50 replies to this question, nearly 200 replies to a previous question. He hasn't done any sailing, he doesn't seem to have read any sailing books. He is choosing to post in a way that publices a marginal opinion group. I reckon that spells Troll, or to be charitable someone with a suicidal compulsion, Either case he/she/it shouldn't be encouraged. "New Conservative" wrote in message ... Hi all, First of all, what's a "survey" - when is it necessary and how much does it cost? Next: How long would it take to sail single-handedly from S/England to the Windward Islands given average weather conditions at a reasonably favorable time of year in a Contessa 32 or Nic 32? Next: If one ends up in some distant safe harbor somewhere abroad; what right (if any) does one have to simply tie-up at a convenient mooring and go to sleep for say 24hrs? I'm thinking here about an analogy with a deckchair dude; do you just 'park-up' and wait for someone to charge you for your stay? And what prospect of getting a space in such a harbor? Finally, what's the difference between a "berth" and a "cabin"? I realize these are stupid questions, but beg your indulgence. -- "Suffer no one to tell you what to think." Martin Smith, the New Conservative Party. http://www.newconservativeparty.org |
in message , Larry W4CSC
') wrote: "Dan" wrote in ups.com: How? You've just said we're 60 hours away from the nearest thing to hit! Are you saying the sea state will make the boat fall apart? Are you saying the masts gonna fall down and break a hole in the hull? How often have either of these things happened to UKRSers? You really must watch "The Perfect Storm", the movie. It is a true story and the swell reality shown pitchpoling the fishing vessel isn't just a writer's fantasy. I could happen to YOU. It could, but it's exceptionally rare. You could be struck by lightning out of a blue sky. It does happen. A meteorite could fall on your head. Waves are a complex phenomenon and recent research shows that very big, very steep waves are more common than was once thought. But open ocean waves are nothing like as dangerous as closing a coast in dodgy weather. Furthermore, most well-found monohulls will recover from being rolled over by wave action (although my boat wouldn't). Wait until you've been sailing in the pitch dark for 11 hours, the sun rises and you suddenly see some HUGE object just floating by that could simply smash your hull to bits. It happens. If you're such a scaredy cat, why go sailing? You could simply hide under your desk for the rest of your life. -- (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/ pSchroedinger's cat is blinkstrongNOT/strong/blink dead./p |
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Simon Brooke wrote: You really must watch "The Perfect Storm", the movie. It is a true story and the swell reality shown pitchpoling the fishing vessel isn't just a writer's fantasy. I could happen to YOU. Of course, the yacht shown in that movie *didn't* sink, and was recovered intact on the coast of, I believe the Carolinas, after the crew was taken off. KeS |
"Larry W4CSC" wrote in message ... "Dan" wrote in ups.com: How? You've just said we're 60 hours away from the nearest thing to hit! Are you saying the sea state will make the boat fall apart? Are you saying the masts gonna fall down and break a hole in the hull? How often have either of these things happened to UKRSers? You really must watch "The Perfect Storm", the movie. It is a true story and the swell reality shown pitchpoling the fishing vessel isn't just a writer's fantasy. I could happen to YOU. It's a special effect, not actual film. If the film is truly true, how can we know exactly what happened? There were no survivors and no surviving record. It is surmise. Believe this and you'll start believing that Arnie has in fact been sent back in time from the future to save California from......oh forget it! Live in the real world, not Hollywood. (Cross posting takes us in to a wished-for world of American fantasists). P.S. I know Arnie is actually a robot, but he won't save California with his current budgetary policies (or lack of them). |
"Kevin Stevens" wrote in message ... In article , Simon Brooke wrote: You really must watch "The Perfect Storm", the movie. It is a true story and the swell reality shown pitchpoling the fishing vessel isn't just a writer's fantasy. I could happen to YOU. Of course, the yacht shown in that movie *didn't* sink, and was recovered intact on the coast of, I believe the Carolinas, after the crew was taken off. KeS It was not a yacht, it was a commercial fishing craft out of New England. Have you got the right film? |
On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 07:37:27 -0000, Duncan Heenan
wrote: You really must watch "The Perfect Storm", the movie. It is a true story The film is crap - the "demands" of the hollywood lowest dumb denominator factor meant that everything was hung round some big waves and a bit of " will she get her tits out" The book on the other hand is well worth reading. The tension is all set with the meteorologists and the development of the storm - recommended. Ian -- Remove nospam from address to reply |
Larry W4CSC wrote:
"Dan" wrote in ups.com: How? You've just said we're 60 hours away from the nearest thing to hit! Are you saying the sea state will make the boat fall apart? Are you saying the masts gonna fall down and break a hole in the hull? How often have either of these things happened to UKRSers? You really must watch "The Perfect Storm", the movie. It is a true story and the swell reality shown pitchpoling the fishing vessel isn't just a writer's fantasy. I could happen to YOU. LOL! The sea can take whatever you buy and just turn it into rubble in a matter of minutes if it feels like it. A sealed plastic 2ltr coke bottle? There's plenty to run into in the open ocean....besides those 50' waves wiping the deck clean of sailing gear.... Remind me. How often in the last five seasons has your deck been wiped clear of sailing gear? |
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"Duncan Heenan" wrote: "Kevin Stevens" wrote in message ... In article , Simon Brooke wrote: You really must watch "The Perfect Storm", the movie. It is a true story and the swell reality shown pitchpoling the fishing vessel isn't just a writer's fantasy. I could happen to YOU. Of course, the yacht shown in that movie *didn't* sink, and was recovered intact on the coast of, I believe the Carolinas, after the crew was taken off. KeS It was not a yacht, it was a commercial fishing craft out of New England. Have you got the right film? Yes. KeS |
While choking on an orange the asphixiatingly tight latex collar began to
take effect as *Dan* gapsed to *uk.rec.sailing* with a dying breath: Larry W4CSC wrote: "Dan" wrote in ups.com: How? You've just said we're 60 hours away from the nearest thing to hit! Are you saying the sea state will make the boat fall apart? Are you saying the masts gonna fall down and break a hole in the hull? How often have either of these things happened to UKRSers? You really must watch "The Perfect Storm", the movie. It is a true story and the swell reality shown pitchpoling the fishing vessel isn't just a writer's fantasy. I could happen to YOU. LOL! The sea can take whatever you buy and just turn it into rubble in a matter of minutes if it feels like it. A sealed plastic 2ltr coke bottle? There's plenty to run into in the open ocean....besides those 50' waves wiping the deck clean of sailing gear.... Remind me. How often in the last five seasons has your deck been wiped clear of sailing gear? Our's had to be wiped clear of chunder a couple of times during the last Marauders outing... Luckily, I was in a position to delegate! PG -- Keelworm: *www.love2sail.co.uk - UK Sailing Forums* |
in message , Duncan Heenan
') wrote: "Kevin Stevens" wrote in message ... In article , Simon Brooke wrote: You really must watch "The Perfect Storm", the movie. It is a true story and the swell reality shown pitchpoling the fishing vessel isn't just a writer's fantasy. I could happen to YOU. Of course, the yacht shown in that movie *didn't* sink, and was recovered intact on the coast of, I believe the Carolinas, after the crew was taken off. It was not a yacht, it was a commercial fishing craft out of New England. Have you got the right film? It was in the film, yes. The (true) story the film was based on was about a yacht. The yacht, as described, was recovered later substantially undamaged, and as I recall it was sailed into port under her own sails. But hey, let's not spoil the drama with a bit of truth. In truth, if her crew had stayed where they were, they'd have saved the rescue services a lot of money, but they'd have missed the thrill of being winched off by the helicopter. Otherwise they'd have been no worse off. -- (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/ ;; all in all you're just another click in the call ;; -- Minke Bouyed |
in message .com, Dan
') wrote: Larry W4CSC wrote: There's plenty to run into in the open ocean....besides those 50' waves wiping the deck clean of sailing gear.... Remind me. How often in the last five seasons has your deck been wiped clear of sailing gear? More to the point, when was the last time there was any report from anywhere in the world of a yacht having its deck 'wiped clean of sailing gear' by wave action? Never has happened, and I suspect never will happen. Dismasted, yes, that happens, particularly in roll-overs. Wiped clean? Never. -- (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/ The trouble with Simon is that he only opens his mouth to change feet. ;; of me, by a 'friend' |
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Gogarty wrote:
keouttheP says... Either case he/she/it shouldn't be encouraged. Troll or not, he has caused to be generated some very interesting and even useful responses. No stupid questions, only stupid mistakes. I disagree - most of his questions have been remarkably stupid. But that doesn't mean we have to ignore them. Feel free to if *you* want to, but it doesn't hurt anyone to reply to these questions even if they are stupid. Pete |
"Pete Verdon" d wrote in
message ... I disagree - most of his questions have been remarkably stupid. But that doesn't mean we have to ignore them. Feel free to if *you* want to, but it doesn't hurt anyone to reply to these questions even if they are stupid. C'mon guys, didn't everyone have the same questions when he or she started thinking about sailing? The OP just had the courage to actually *ask* them..... Meindert |
Larry W4CSC wrote:
Rosalie B. wrote in : On our boat, we have a hatch that is right over the V-berth and if we leave it open at night and it rains, it rains on your face and alerts you to get up and close the hatches. Also I can exit the V-berth through this hatch to look at the sunrise without traipsing through the main cabin or waking Bob up. Bob would be sleeping next to me - the people who would be in the main cabin would be the charter captains or guests making coffee or something. It doesn't rain in Lionheart's V-berth or head hatches because we always put the PortaBote over both to make a little shelter for them. Works great We have the staysail boom over the cabin, and there's not enough space between that stay and the windlass for the PB to fit. I think having the hatch open over your face is an advantage, and not a disadvantage. I sleep better if I know I don't have to keep waking up to see if it is raining. It's bad enough that I have to keep waking up to check on the anchor and anchor light. . I don't quite understand it, but Bob wakes often when I'm on watch and we are underway, but once we anchor, I'm the one that wakes up to check on things most of the time. What's Bob doing sleeping in the main cabin, anyways?.....(c; Bob doesn't sleep in the main cabin except when we are underway. He can't sleep in the aft cabin because there's too much space there and he rolls around when I tack - also the radios are back there. So he takes his pillow and blanket and puts the lee cloths up and sleeps much better in the main cabin. (I can sleep through the radios, and if it is too rolly, I sleep athwart which he's too tall to do) The reason I can't sleep head-first in a V-berth is my arms flail around in my sleep too much. It's bad enough for one side to be against the hull. I tend to sleep with my hands in my armpits to keep them warm. grandma Rosalie |
On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 13:44:11 +0000, Pete Verdon
d wrote: Gogarty wrote: keouttheP says... Either case he/she/it shouldn't be encouraged. Troll or not, he has caused to be generated some very interesting and even useful responses. No stupid questions, only stupid mistakes. I disagree - most of his questions have been remarkably stupid. But that doesn't mean we have to ignore them. Feel free to if *you* want to, but it doesn't hurt anyone to reply to these questions even if they are stupid. Pete you know, asking stupid questions is a first step towards learning enough to ask intelligent ones. And he is asking rather than just plopping down his money on a book and setting sail. Hopefully he will take some of the constructive advice to heart and adjust his plans to something much safer. Weebles Wobble (but they don't fall down) |
Duncan Heenan wrote:
"Kevin Stevens" wrote in message ... In article , Simon Brooke wrote: You really must watch "The Perfect Storm", the movie. It is a true story and the swell reality shown pitchpoling the fishing vessel isn't just a writer's fantasy. I could happen to YOU. Of course, the yacht shown in that movie *didn't* sink, and was recovered intact on the coast of, I believe the Carolinas, after the crew was taken off. KeS It was not a yacht, it was a commercial fishing craft out of New England. Have you got the right film? There were two boats featured in the book. One, the fishing vessel, sunk. The other was a sailing yacht and the account in the book has been highly disputed by it's captain. The crew of that vessel was lifted off, the captain under protest. Later the boat was found intact washed up on a beach with no damage. Here is the Captains URL, with his story: http://world.std.com/~kent/satori/ Stephen |
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