"Larry W4CSC" wrote in message
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"Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote in
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All ture, except the part about two separate panels. My main AC panel
has interlocks for shore/genset/inverter plus distribution for 2 30A
circuits.
Off the shelf and ABYC accepted.




Does that panel with the "inverter" position disconnect the
inverter/charger's AC power input when it goes into the inverter
position?....keeping the inverter from powering its own charger??

No, but the inverter protects itself if I inadvertantly power up the
inverter without shutting down the charger.

Too funny....(c;

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 14:43:16 GMT, Allen McCann
wrote:

The thing that bothers me about "automatic" inverters like the smoked
Freedom Marine 25 setting on the floor beside me is the apparent (to me)
high rate of failure due to no apparent cause.

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I had a Freedom Marine 30 on my old boat with a Link 2000 panel. Both
were troublesome and required ongoing service.

Must be the luck of the draw. Our Freedon 25 has operated flawlessly for
over 5 years.

"Me" wrote in message
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In article ,
"Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote:

All ture, except the part about two separate panels. My main AC panel
has interlocks for shore/genset/inverter plus distribution for 2 30A
circuits.
Off the shelf and ABYC accepted.

and do you have the Inverter Input and Output connected to breakers on
the same buss?

No.

The Inverter Output also needs to have it's own Mutually
Exclusive Access to the Output Power Distribution Buss to be in
compliance with ABS and NEC..........

It does. As I siad earlier, The panel is ABYC compliant.

That was part of the OP's original problem.......

Me

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:21:37 -0500, Larry W4CSC
wrote:

Wayne.B wrote in
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Have you ever read Pracitcal Sailor? They are an (expensive)


No, I haven't. I think I saw some little, few pages newsletter at Boat/US
for $8. Is that it??

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With an annual subscription it works out to about $4 per copy. I've
always regarded it as money well spent. Your mileage may vary but
maybe you can talk your "owner" into springing for a subscription.

They seem to do a pretty good job overall, but their evaluations of
batteries and charging systems is generally less impressive.

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 17:09:48 -0500, "Doug Dotson"
dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote:

Nope. Our Pelonus ceramic cube heater draws around 110A. With a
900AH battery bank you would be lucky to get 4 hours. Probably
less since it is drawing much more than the 20 hour rate from which
your 900AH rating is based. We have a 500AH+ bank in our mobile
canvas shop. The heater is good for about an hour.

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That assumes continuous duty. Unless you have a really large cabin
and/or a really cold night, the heater is actually on less than 30% of
the time. I had a 440 AH bank on my old boat and we would usually
make it through the night. I could hit the generator start button in
the morning without getting out of bed. :-)

Depends upon alot of things, like the outside temperature, the insulation
of the boat, etc. I keep an electric heater on all winter and if the temp is
below 40, it runs alot more than 30%.

On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 20:47:30 -0500, "Doug Dotson"
dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote:

Depends upon alot of things, like the outside temperature, the insulation
of the boat, etc. I keep an electric heater on all winter and if the temp is
below 40, it runs alot more than 30%.

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I'm sure that's true but I'd probably be plugged into dock power in
that kind of weather.

"Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote in
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Does that panel with the "inverter" position disconnect the
inverter/charger's AC power input when it goes into the inverter
position?....keeping the inverter from powering its own charger??

No, but the inverter protects itself if I inadvertantly power up the
inverter without shutting down the charger.


Thanks. It should shut the charger down when the inverter comes on.....

Wonder how many big boat chargers are loading down running inverters across
the planet, tonight....(c;

Well whats wrong with a good electric blanket and a heavy comforter to keep
warm over night. That would be alot less taxing on an electrical system. You
still have to be able to recharge, but getting through the night should be
easy.

John

"Larry W4CSC" wrote in message
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"Meindert Sprang" wrote in
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It's already there. AFAIK all new VW marine diesels have a 42V system to
power the injectors.

Meindert




I think the Toyota Prius hybrid takes this even further with a 480VDC
system, doesn't it? A friend has one and it's quite impressive, once you
get used to NOT starting the engine to take off from the parking lot.
That's a bit unnerving, just turning it on and driving away...(c;

John Cassara wrote:

Well whats wrong with a good electric blanket and a heavy comforter to keep
warm over night. That would be alot less taxing on an electrical system. You
still have to be able to recharge, but getting through the night should be
easy.

John

"Larry W4CSC" wrote in message
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"Meindert Sprang" wrote in
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It's already there. AFAIK all new VW marine diesels have a 42V system to
power the injectors.

Meindert




I think the Toyota Prius hybrid takes this even further with a 480VDC
system, doesn't it? A friend has one and it's quite impressive, once you
get used to NOT starting the engine to take off from the parking lot.
That's a bit unnerving, just turning it on and driving away...(c;


The eliica car seen recently on Discovery uses 8 each 100 brake
horse power electric motor regenerators built into the wheels,
lithium ion batteries, and would need high voltage and high variable
frequency switching I expect. It goes 350 KM and about 400 KPH and
0-100 in FOUR seconds! Not all ot once, I expect.

Would not one such wheel motor be capable of driving a boat and
regenerating charge with the propellor providing the juice on a good
day? Why haul useless lead ballast if a keel was all batteries
immune to sea water / chlorine gas dangers?

A 5 horse genny could wait for an excuse for quite a while, if solar
cells were in the mix and harbour navigation was all that was really
needed. Even a long haul in doldrums would be tolerable at two or
three knots, using the genny if the batteries were flat. Relatively
slow water transport takes little energy, while a good sailing day
would likely keep batteries up unless you ran an air conditioner or
heater.

Terry K

Using my old 22ft Catalina as the example, quite a bit of drag is felt with
the O/B in the water while sailing. The prop-driven recharge would produce
alot of drag, but as they say there's no such thing as a free lunch!

John

"Terry Spragg" wrote in message
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John Cassara wrote:

Well whats wrong with a good electric blanket and a heavy comforter to
keep warm over night. That would be alot less taxing on an electrical
system. You still have to be able to recharge, but getting through the
night should be easy.

John

"Larry W4CSC" wrote in message
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"Meindert Sprang" wrote in
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It's already there. AFAIK all new VW marine diesels have a 42V system to
power the injectors.

Meindert




I think the Toyota Prius hybrid takes this even further with a 480VDC
system, doesn't it? A friend has one and it's quite impressive, once you
get used to NOT starting the engine to take off from the parking lot.
That's a bit unnerving, just turning it on and driving away...(c;


The eliica car seen recently on Discovery uses 8 each 100 brake horse
power electric motor regenerators built into the wheels, lithium ion
batteries, and would need high voltage and high variable frequency
switching I expect. It goes 350 KM and about 400 KPH and 0-100 in FOUR
seconds! Not all ot once, I expect.

Would not one such wheel motor be capable of driving a boat and
regenerating charge with the propellor providing the juice on a good day?
Why haul useless lead ballast if a keel was all batteries immune to sea
water / chlorine gas dangers?

A 5 horse genny could wait for an excuse for quite a while, if solar cells
were in the mix and harbour navigation was all that was really needed.
Even a long haul in doldrums would be tolerable at two or three knots,
using the genny if the batteries were flat. Relatively slow water
transport takes little energy, while a good sailing day would likely keep
batteries up unless you ran an air conditioner or heater.

Terry K