Why would the engines care about flooding the cockpit?

"Paul Schilter" wrote in message
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dbohara,
This is funny, if you used the space blanket with the reflective side out
you'd light up like a bulb on the radar screen. I believe stealth
technology is based on absorbing the energy and then having acute angles
on the surface so the reflection that is left is diverted away. Floods his
cockpit? I don't think the engines would like this. The solution is
LEAD!!! Construct the whole boat of LEAD!!! :-)
Paul

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THIS IS PURELY HYPOTHETICAL. I have nothing to hide, jeez. Really,
all this is about is my belief that some people are so reliant on high
tech stuff that they forget about elegant low tech solutions. Would
covering the entire boat with an aluminized "space blanket" with no
exposed edges or folds reduce the radar cross section much? I assume
the metal shrouds produce significant radar return so they are a
problem unless he somehow replaced them. We can assume that he either
doesnt run his engine or that he floods his cockpit partway to hide the
engine IR signature.
Go fast boats are probably easier to see than a small sailboat as their
power output is so high.

On 15 Jan 2005 08:57:46 -0800, wrote:

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THIS IS PURELY HYPOTHETICAL. I have nothing to hide, jeez. Really,
all this is about is my belief that some people are so reliant on high
tech stuff that they forget about elegant low tech solutions. Would
covering the entire boat with an aluminized "space blanket" with no
exposed edges or folds reduce the radar cross section much?

This answer is PURELY HYPOTHETIC.

Covering a hull with aluminum foil would increase its radar
cross-section from quite a lot to an awful lot.

Brian Whatcott Altus OK

wrote:
THIS IS PURELY HYPOTHETICAL. I have nothing to hide, jeez.

I'm bored enough on a Saturday night to get into this one...

IMO, how easy it would or wouldn't be to just disappear depends on the
circumstances. If you're a fugitive being sought, it might not be that
easy...but if you're someone who just wants to escape his life, it
should be very easy. Just buy a boat without telling anyone...tell your
friends and family that you have to go to Chicago, St, Louis,
Paris--anywhere but out to sea--for a week...set sail instead...giving
you at least a week's head start in a direction no one would ever look
in...and even when they do think of checking on your boat--the one
everyone knows you own--it'll still be in her slip. You could be
anywhere in the world before anyone figured out how or when you left, or
which direction to look. By then you've grown a beard, dyed your hair,
lost 20 lbs...the only thing that might give away your location is any
record of the places in which you've had to show your passport. But if
you're REALLY determined to disappear, it's not that hard these days to
get a new passport under a new name. Unless you're a fugitive, no one
would ever have any reason to question its legitimacy.

The only real issue would be money...but anyone planning such a move
should be smart enough to quietly start transferring funds to an
offshore account in an untraceable manner (convert to cash, deposit only
that cash to offshore account) months or even years ahead of time.

IOW, anyone who really wants to disappear can do it with some planning.

--
Peggie
----------
Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://www.seaworthy.com/store/custo...0&cat=6&page=1

It is really quite simple and low-tech. You can guarantee you will not
be found only if you are not there!

Go out, sink the boat, come back in, and go anywhere but where they will
be searching for you.

Or, go out, turn around, and return to port well before the 36 hours.
Eventually the boat will be found, but that will only mean that at some
point in time you were somewhere in the world. Not very much to go on.

If you have trouble with this answer, I think you have some other
agenda. True, someone might want to disappear. But you've posed a
problem in which someone wants to disappear using an empty gum wrapper,
yesterday's newspaper, and a half-eaten bagel on a day when the
temperature is over 72 degrees! And then you want to discuss at length
the reflective properties of foil-backed gum wrappers?

If your question were strictly technical, the "disappearing" scenario
would be superfluous since you could just ask about visual and radar
detection of various hull signatures.
















Peggie Hall wrote in
:

wrote:
THIS IS PURELY HYPOTHETICAL. I have nothing to hide, jeez.

I'm bored enough on a Saturday night to get into this one...

IMO, how easy it would or wouldn't be to just disappear depends on the
circumstances. If you're a fugitive being sought, it might not be
that easy...but if you're someone who just wants to escape his life,
it should be very easy. Just buy a boat without telling anyone...tell
your friends and family that you have to go to Chicago, St, Louis,
Paris--anywhere but out to sea--for a week...set sail instead...giving
you at least a week's head start in a direction no one would ever look
in...and even when they do think of checking on your boat--the one
everyone knows you own--it'll still be in her slip. You could be
anywhere in the world before anyone figured out how or when you left,
or which direction to look. By then you've grown a beard, dyed your
hair, lost 20 lbs...the only thing that might give away your location
is any record of the places in which you've had to show your passport.
But if you're REALLY determined to disappear, it's not that hard these
days to get a new passport under a new name. Unless you're a fugitive,
no one would ever have any reason to question its legitimacy.

The only real issue would be money...but anyone planning such a move
should be smart enough to quietly start transferring funds to an
offshore account in an untraceable manner (convert to cash, deposit
only that cash to offshore account) months or even years ahead of
time.

IOW, anyone who really wants to disappear can do it with some
planning.




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Aha!!!!!!! Who were you in your other life? Jimmy Hoffa? ;)
G

"Peggie Hall" wrote in message
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wrote:
THIS IS PURELY HYPOTHETICAL. I have nothing to hide, jeez.

I'm bored enough on a Saturday night to get into this one...

IMO, how easy it would or wouldn't be to just disappear depends on the
circumstances. If you're a fugitive being sought, it might not be that
easy...but if you're someone who just wants to escape his life, it
should be very easy. Just buy a boat without telling anyone...tell your
friends and family that you have to go to Chicago, St, Louis,
Paris--anywhere but out to sea--for a week...set sail instead...giving
you at least a week's head start in a direction no one would ever look
in...and even when they do think of checking on your boat--the one
everyone knows you own--it'll still be in her slip. You could be
anywhere in the world before anyone figured out how or when you left, or
which direction to look. By then you've grown a beard, dyed your hair,
lost 20 lbs...the only thing that might give away your location is any
record of the places in which you've had to show your passport. But if
you're REALLY determined to disappear, it's not that hard these days to
get a new passport under a new name. Unless you're a fugitive, no one
would ever have any reason to question its legitimacy.

The only real issue would be money...but anyone planning such a move
should be smart enough to quietly start transferring funds to an
offshore account in an untraceable manner (convert to cash, deposit only
that cash to offshore account) months or even years ahead of time.

IOW, anyone who really wants to disappear can do it with some planning.

--
Peggie
----------
Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"

http://www.seaworthy.com/store/custo...0&cat=6&page=1

, it's not that hard these days to
get a new passport under a new name. Unless you're a fugitive, no one
would ever have any reason to question its legitimacy.

Actually it is getting much harder. Pressure is on for nations to use
barcoding and other electronic means of imprinting on passports for
recording, tabulating, and verifying entry and exit records. The phony
document that fools an inspectors eyes won't fool the computers that
examine it. Many countries are instituting policies of requiring visa's
for people coming from nations that will not have have such fraud
proofed passports. And then there's the coming biometric data
requirements...

OK, I confess, I am really trying to hide the nuke I built from
hundreds of old smoke detectors and parts from a '72 Camaro.
The Purpose of flooding the cockpit while running the engine is to put
a low temp high mass object 'tween you and any IR detector.
As far as the aluminized space blanket for Radar, generally, it is
edges and corners that produce the large radar return. 90 degree
angles particularly make good returns which is why a tiny radar
refelctor will give a much better return than most sailboats. A very
large sphere (the size of your boat) will give less return than a 10"
corner reflector. The purpose of the space blanket is to mask the
edges and corners from things like the engine, the toerail,
chainplates, etc. A space blanket with no sharp edges covering the
sailboat should give less return than your average sailboat. I once
took a course in radar theory but I know nothing of ANY practical
application.

Osama bin DB Cooper OHara

Peggie Hall wrote:
wrote:
THIS IS PURELY HYPOTHETICAL. I have nothing to hide, jeez.

I'm bored enough on a Saturday night to get into this one...

IMO, how easy it would or wouldn't be to just disappear depends on
the
circumstances. If you're a fugitive being sought, it might not be
that
easy...but if you're someone who just wants to escape his life, it
should be very easy. Just buy a boat without telling anyone...tell
your
friends and family that you have to go to Chicago, St, Louis,
Paris--anywhere but out to sea--for a week...set sail
instead...giving
you at least a week's head start in a direction no one would ever
look
in...and even when they do think of checking on your boat--the one
everyone knows you own--it'll still be in her slip. You could be
anywhere in the world before anyone figured out how or when you left,
or
which direction to look. By then you've grown a beard, dyed your
hair,
lost 20 lbs...the only thing that might give away your location is
any
record of the places in which you've had to show your passport. But
if
you're REALLY determined to disappear, it's not that hard these days
to
get a new passport under a new name. Unless you're a fugitive, no one

would ever have any reason to question its legitimacy.

The only real issue would be money...but anyone planning such a move
should be smart enough to quietly start transferring funds to an
offshore account in an untraceable manner (convert to cash, deposit
only
that cash to offshore account) months or even years ahead of time.

IOW, anyone who really wants to disappear can do it with some
planning.

--
Peggie
----------
Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems
and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"

http://www.seaworthy.com/store/custo...0&cat=6&page=1

Peggie, this may be the first post I've ever seen from you that didn't
concern some sort of sea-going toilet...G

You actually hit upon the best solution: hide in plain sight. A touch
of plastic surgery, an industrial "accident" that obscures your
fingerprints, a few grand for the "pro" falsified documents, and then
hide in plain sight. The boat itself should be a Catalina 30...they
are common as muck as my British relatives say.

You ARE Captain Ron, sailing the "Marguritaville" to USVIs after a
messy divorce.

Good grief, talk about safety in numbers....

R.


On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 06:07:30 GMT, Peggie Hall
wrote:

wrote:
THIS IS PURELY HYPOTHETICAL. I have nothing to hide, jeez.

I'm bored enough on a Saturday night to get into this one...

IMO, how easy it would or wouldn't be to just disappear depends on the
circumstances. If you're a fugitive being sought, it might not be that
easy...but if you're someone who just wants to escape his life, it
should be very easy. Just buy a boat without telling anyone...tell your
friends and family that you have to go to Chicago, St, Louis,
Paris--anywhere but out to sea--for a week...set sail instead...giving
you at least a week's head start in a direction no one would ever look
in...and even when they do think of checking on your boat--the one
everyone knows you own--it'll still be in her slip. You could be
anywhere in the world before anyone figured out how or when you left, or
which direction to look. By then you've grown a beard, dyed your hair,
lost 20 lbs...the only thing that might give away your location is any
record of the places in which you've had to show your passport. But if
you're REALLY determined to disappear, it's not that hard these days to
get a new passport under a new name. Unless you're a fugitive, no one
would ever have any reason to question its legitimacy.

The only real issue would be money...but anyone planning such a move
should be smart enough to quietly start transferring funds to an
offshore account in an untraceable manner (convert to cash, deposit only
that cash to offshore account) months or even years ahead of time.

IOW, anyone who really wants to disappear can do it with some planning.

In article , says...


wrote:
THIS IS PURELY HYPOTHETICAL. I have nothing to hide, jeez.

I'm bored enough on a Saturday night to get into this one...

IOW, anyone who really wants to disappear can do it with some planning.

It used to be in this country if you wanted to disappear it was the simplest
thing in the world. Sigh! Not anymore.

I guess that I am really just a high tech Luddite.