I though the OP was referring to a sailboat. One could
close the scuppers and flood the cockpit, but I don;t know what
it would accomplish. Water would slosh around and enter via cockpit lockers.
I don't know, this thread is silly anyway.

Doug
s/v CAllista

"Paul Schilter" wrote in message
...
Doug,
Aren't most cockpits self bailing? So in order to flood the cockpit
wouldn't you have to flood the engine room? Which would amount to sinking
the boat. I speaking of a power boat.
Paul


Doug Dotson wrote:
Why would the engines care about flooding the cockpit?

"Paul Schilter" wrote in message
...

dbohara,
This is funny, if you used the space blanket with the reflective side out
you'd light up like a bulb on the radar screen. I believe stealth
technology is based on absorbing the energy and then having acute angles
on the surface so the reflection that is left is diverted away. Floods
his cockpit? I don't think the engines would like this. The solution is
LEAD!!! Construct the whole boat of LEAD!!! :-)
Paul

wrote:
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THIS IS PURELY HYPOTHETICAL. I have nothing to hide, jeez. Really,
all this is about is my belief that some people are so reliant on high
tech stuff that they forget about elegant low tech solutions. Would
covering the entire boat with an aluminized "space blanket" with no
exposed edges or folds reduce the radar cross section much? I assume
the metal shrouds produce significant radar return so they are a
problem unless he somehow replaced them. We can assume that he either
doesnt run his engine or that he floods his cockpit partway to hide the
engine IR signature.
Go fast boats are probably easier to see than a small sailboat as their
power output is so high.

On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 09:49:06 -0500,
Harry Krause wrote:
Doug Dotson wrote:

I guess. So what are you trying to run away from?



The upcoming draft?

Nah, the Democrat's who proposed restarting the draft were defeated.


--
Jim Richardson http://www.eskimo.com/~warlock
We aim to please. Ourselves, mostly, but we do aim to please.
Anthony DeBoer

, it's not that hard these days to
get a new passport under a new name. Unless you're a fugitive, no one
would ever have any reason to question its legitimacy.

Actually it is getting much harder. Pressure is on for nations to use
barcoding and other electronic means of imprinting on passports for
recording, tabulating, and verifying entry and exit records. The phony
document that fools an inspectors eyes won't fool the computers that
examine it. Many countries are instituting policies of requiring visa's
for people coming from nations that will not have have such fraud
proofed passports. And then there's the coming biometric data
requirements...

OK, I confess, I am really trying to hide the nuke I built from
hundreds of old smoke detectors and parts from a '72 Camaro.
The Purpose of flooding the cockpit while running the engine is to put
a low temp high mass object 'tween you and any IR detector.
As far as the aluminized space blanket for Radar, generally, it is
edges and corners that produce the large radar return. 90 degree
angles particularly make good returns which is why a tiny radar
refelctor will give a much better return than most sailboats. A very
large sphere (the size of your boat) will give less return than a 10"
corner reflector. The purpose of the space blanket is to mask the
edges and corners from things like the engine, the toerail,
chainplates, etc. A space blanket with no sharp edges covering the
sailboat should give less return than your average sailboat. I once
took a course in radar theory but I know nothing of ANY practical
application.

Osama bin DB Cooper OHara

Peggie Hall wrote:
wrote:
THIS IS PURELY HYPOTHETICAL. I have nothing to hide, jeez.

I'm bored enough on a Saturday night to get into this one...

IMO, how easy it would or wouldn't be to just disappear depends on
the
circumstances. If you're a fugitive being sought, it might not be
that
easy...but if you're someone who just wants to escape his life, it
should be very easy. Just buy a boat without telling anyone...tell
your
friends and family that you have to go to Chicago, St, Louis,
Paris--anywhere but out to sea--for a week...set sail
instead...giving
you at least a week's head start in a direction no one would ever
look
in...and even when they do think of checking on your boat--the one
everyone knows you own--it'll still be in her slip. You could be
anywhere in the world before anyone figured out how or when you left,
or
which direction to look. By then you've grown a beard, dyed your
hair,
lost 20 lbs...the only thing that might give away your location is
any
record of the places in which you've had to show your passport. But
if
you're REALLY determined to disappear, it's not that hard these days
to
get a new passport under a new name. Unless you're a fugitive, no one

would ever have any reason to question its legitimacy.

The only real issue would be money...but anyone planning such a move
should be smart enough to quietly start transferring funds to an
offshore account in an untraceable manner (convert to cash, deposit
only
that cash to offshore account) months or even years ahead of time.

IOW, anyone who really wants to disappear can do it with some
planning.

--
Peggie
----------
Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems
and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"

http://www.seaworthy.com/store/custo...0&cat=6&page=1

wrote:

, it's not that hard these days to
get a new passport under a new name. Unless you're a fugitive, no one
would ever have any reason to question its legitimacy.

Actually it is getting much harder. Pressure is on for nations to use
barcoding and other electronic means of imprinting on passports for
recording, tabulating, and verifying entry and exit records. The phony
document that fools an inspectors eyes won't fool the computers that
examine it. Many countries are instituting policies of requiring visa's
for people coming from nations that will not have have such fraud
proofed passports. And then there's the coming biometric data
requirements...

Of course the ultimate way to disappear and not be found, would be to
drown.

I suppose it might be possible to simulate that by setting off in a
boat and then wrecking it and leaving the wreckage while actually
getting to shore and buying another boat and taking off from there.

But the OP was really asking whether you could conceal a boat in the
ocean by using low tech methods so that high tech methods could not
find you. And my answer is - it's a whole lot easier not to be found
if no one is looking.

grandma Rosalie

On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 00:37:02 GMT, Jim wrote:

Did someone sell Michael Jackson a sailboat?

No, it was actually a bumboat.

R.

Peggie, this may be the first post I've ever seen from you that didn't
concern some sort of sea-going toilet...G

You actually hit upon the best solution: hide in plain sight. A touch
of plastic surgery, an industrial "accident" that obscures your
fingerprints, a few grand for the "pro" falsified documents, and then
hide in plain sight. The boat itself should be a Catalina 30...they
are common as muck as my British relatives say.

You ARE Captain Ron, sailing the "Marguritaville" to USVIs after a
messy divorce.

Good grief, talk about safety in numbers....

R.


On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 06:07:30 GMT, Peggie Hall
wrote:

wrote:
THIS IS PURELY HYPOTHETICAL. I have nothing to hide, jeez.

I'm bored enough on a Saturday night to get into this one...

IMO, how easy it would or wouldn't be to just disappear depends on the
circumstances. If you're a fugitive being sought, it might not be that
easy...but if you're someone who just wants to escape his life, it
should be very easy. Just buy a boat without telling anyone...tell your
friends and family that you have to go to Chicago, St, Louis,
Paris--anywhere but out to sea--for a week...set sail instead...giving
you at least a week's head start in a direction no one would ever look
in...and even when they do think of checking on your boat--the one
everyone knows you own--it'll still be in her slip. You could be
anywhere in the world before anyone figured out how or when you left, or
which direction to look. By then you've grown a beard, dyed your hair,
lost 20 lbs...the only thing that might give away your location is any
record of the places in which you've had to show your passport. But if
you're REALLY determined to disappear, it's not that hard these days to
get a new passport under a new name. Unless you're a fugitive, no one
would ever have any reason to question its legitimacy.

The only real issue would be money...but anyone planning such a move
should be smart enough to quietly start transferring funds to an
offshore account in an untraceable manner (convert to cash, deposit only
that cash to offshore account) months or even years ahead of time.

IOW, anyone who really wants to disappear can do it with some planning.

In article . com,
says...


Here is a hypothetical question:

If somebody on a sailboat did NOT want to be found and had a 36 hour
head start leaving someplace like say the N. Florida Gulf coast, how
difficult would it be to find him. I assume the sailor not wanting to
be found could take some measures such as painting his boat a grey
color to match the water or even paint his sails, not use lights at
night, etc. What else can you think of to minimize his chances of
being found.
How difficult would it be in this case for conventional SAR to find
him? Remember, every 36 hours, the necesary search area quadruples
until after a few days it covers the entire Gulf of Mexico and its
shoreline.
I think it might be possible for such a sailor to elude being found for
a long time.

Some years ago there was a cruise ship high jacked in the weastern
Atlantic. It took days before the authoritries could find it. Anyone
remember that one?

In article ,
dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom says...


I can't believe anyone is even responding to this wacko.

Oh come on! It's an interesting exercise.

In article ,
dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom says...


THIS IS PURELY HYPOTHETICAL. I have nothing to hide, jeez.

You'd better. I hope that the Homeland Security and the FBI see it that
way. I happen to know that they monitor alot of these newsgroups
including this one.

Oh. You are one of THOSE people.