"Roger Long" wrote in message
news ( snip )
There is much more to it than the measurement from trough to crest which
is
what got me asking about Lake Erie in the first place.
Roger Long
Hi Roger.
In my more than 40 years of boating on the Great Lakes there is one thing
that I have learned about boating on Lake Erie. I do not take my 9 meter
power boat out into the waves of Lake Erie if the forecast is for waves of
over one meter. My boat is a Doral and I know that it can take the
pounding, but, I can not!

Jim Carter, Port Captain
"The Boat"
Bayfield

On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 03:05:56 GMT, "Roger Long"
wrote:

12 average or 12 max? What I'm talking about here is 12 foot, wind driven
waves, average height so that wave after wave is in the twelve foot range.

That sort of wave is going to be pretty rare on Lake Erie. You'd have
to be at the wrong end during a *sustained* big blow from a steady
direction. While this is possible, the maximum you are likely to see
is 6 feet, with 2 to 3 feet being the average windy day, depending on
fetch, proximity to shore and reflection from the shore.

Having said that, lake waves are nasty, more chaotic and bumpier than
any ocean conditions I've experienced. The movement can be very
tiring...luckily, everything's over pretty quickly in line squalls and
you rarely lose control of your boat if you know how to sail in the
first place.

R.

Subject: Wave heights
From: "Roger Long"

There is a way to estimate wave height with fair accuracy.

Do you mean knowing your height of eye and using that to measure the wave
height?

Capt. Bill

Roger Long wrote:
I've been kind of interested in some of the posts about Lake Erie conditions
to see references to 12 foot waves. I know the waves are shorter and steeper
there due to the lighter water and shallow depths. Twelve footers would
considered pretty big however, even on the ocean.

Like my new pal Wally, I've been on, in and over Lake Erie for 50 years.
I worked as a lifeguard at Pt. Pelee National Park for 5 years in the
mid- 70's and we used to see lots of 6ft-8ft days. It was great for
body-surfing but not so hot for sailors. One day we watched a guy in
what looked like a Sirius 15 or 17 trying a beam reach to outrun a
westerly squall. Lee shores can be a bitch. When he finally got pushed
into the breakers, his small boat got pitched over and he got tossed
out. You can imagine the scene when a boat with a 20ft mast is being
turned turtle in 5 ft of water. The next breaker lifted the boat up and
onto the tip of the mast, which snapped under the pressure. As the boat
dropped, the broken section of the mast punched a hole through the hull.
Most impressive! He was wearing a PFD and got pushed safely in the
last 200ft or so to shore, but the boat was beaten to pieces over the
next few hours.
I can only recall one event where the waves may have reached the 12 foot
level and maybe even higher. In the 80's there was a ENE storm that ran
up the length of the lake. When it hit the eastern shore of Pt. Pelee,
it washed away approximately 1 mile of the tip. It also knocked flat a
construction block building situated behind cedars approximately 100
feet back from, and about 6ft higher than the water's edge. It also
ripped out about 1500 ft of asphalt roadway also located well back from
the water's edge. I think 12 footers are once in a lifetime events on
Erie, but I could be wrong.

what ever would you expect from bunch of canucks. the tops of waves are blown
off in streaks of foam starting about 24 knots. That that 35 knots or 85
knots, or whatever makes you think that little chickie is going to be so
impressed when you tell her about your seagoing adventure that she is going to
strip off her clothes and drop back to the floor, her legs in the air and open.

From: Jack Dale
Date: 12/21/2004 7:28 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

On 22 Dec 2004 00:15:39 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

the wind starts blowing the tops off waves in streaks of foam about 24
knots.

Somewhere between 30 and 35 knots the wind begins to rip off the wave
tops and send them through the air like the stream from a fire hose.
I've found it to be an infallible guide to near gale force conditions.
Also, the rigging begins to howl like a banshee in that wind range and
above.


Here is a site with wind speeds and wave heights:

http://lavoieverte.qc.ec.gc.ca/meteo...eaufort_e.html

On a delivery from Honolulu to Vancouver Island, after we picked up
the westerlies, we were broad reaching in 25 - 30 knots with gusts to
35. Our estimate of wave height (trough to crest) was 12-15 feet.

Jack

_________________________________________________ _
Jack Dale
Swiftsure Sailing Academy
Director/ISPA and CYA Instructor
http://www.swiftsuresailing.com
_________________________________________________ _

junnie, you gasp at the suggestion of a acetone on the early spring Saturday
morning.



From: Gene Kearns age
Date: 12/22/2004 9:21 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 19:36:05 -0500, James wrote:


Now Jax, don't be such an idgit, dood.

PC based sailing simulated 40+ knot winds don't count. Ask your wife
(after you re-inflate her that is) if some day you can go for a ride on
a REAL boat.

Dood, you have to get out on a real boat...computer silumations are not
the same thing. You'll see waves and birds and all kinds of things if
you can get a ride on somebodies boat some day.

Any volunteers want to take Jaxie Dood for a sail? He'll stay outside in
case he gets scared and urinates by accident. It only happened twice
using the simulator but you can't be too careful.

Let's have a show of hands.

ROFLMAO... oh, god..... I can't get my breath......

--



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http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/
Homepage*
http://www.southharbourvillageinn.com/directions.asp Where Southport,NC
is located.
http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats Rec.boats
at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide

* If you find that you are denied access to my web page, Please respond here
with
your IP address and I will see if I can open up access. I have been forced to
blackhole large geographic regions outside of North America due to incessant
spoofing and hacking attacks on my web server. Thanks.

Hey Jaxie Dood!

What's "A ACETONE"?

Is it a verb maybe? Like, hey you, get out of my way or I'll give you A
ACETONE you'll never forget.

Or maybe something to do with music? Like a baratone or A ACETONE?

I can't find "A ACETONE" anyplace on my sailing simulator program.

What is it? Can I call Sears and order up A ACETONE?

You are way smart Jaxie Dood. No way anybody would call you a IDGIT
that's for sure.

I wish I was smart like Jaxie Dood so I too would know what "A ACETONE"
is! But I am just a fumb duck who doesn't know what A ACETONE is.

Sadly, I don't even have any horribly revolting pictures of me in a
speedo to share. Makes me so sad.



JAXAshby wrote:

junnie, you gasp at the suggestion of a acetone on the early spring Saturday
morning.




From: Gene Kearns age
Date: 12/22/2004 9:21 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 19:36:05 -0500, James wrote:



Now Jax, don't be such an idgit, dood.

PC based sailing simulated 40+ knot winds don't count. Ask your wife
(after you re-inflate her that is) if some day you can go for a ride on
a REAL boat.

Dood, you have to get out on a real boat...computer silumations are not
the same thing. You'll see waves and birds and all kinds of things if
you can get a ride on somebodies boat some day.

Any volunteers want to take Jaxie Dood for a sail? He'll stay outside in
case he gets scared and urinates by accident. It only happened twice
using the simulator but you can't be too careful.

Let's have a show of hands.

ROFLMAO... oh, god..... I can't get my breath......

--



Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Southport, NC.

http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/
Homepage*
http://www.southharbourvillageinn.com/directions.asp Where Southport,NC
is located.
http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats Rec.boats
at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide

* If you find that you are denied access to my web page, Please respond here
with
your IP address and I will see if I can open up access. I have been forced to
blackhole large geographic regions outside of North America due to incessant
spoofing and hacking attacks on my web server. Thanks.

On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 11:16:20 -0500, James wrote:

Hey Jaxie Dood!

What's "A ACETONE"?

I believe it's the amplifier you buy for an air guitar...

don't give up your day job, either of you. At least do not if you want to
sleep indoors most nights and eat more or less regularly.

From: WaIIy
Date: 12/23/2004 12:54 AM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 19:36:05 -0500, James wrote:

Now Jax, don't be such an idgit, dood.

PC based sailing simulated 40+ knot winds don't count. Ask your wife
(after you re-inflate her that is) if some day you can go for a ride on
a REAL boat.

Dood, you have to get out on a real boat...computer silumations are not
the same thing. You'll see waves and birds and all kinds of things if
you can get a ride on somebodies boat some day.

Any volunteers want to take Jaxie Dood for a sail? He'll stay outside in
case he gets scared and urinates by accident. It only happened twice
using the simulator but you can't be too careful.

Let's have a show of hands.

You should get a job writing comedy. This is too funny.