(JAXAshby) wrote in message ...
Been there. It's a lock.

Been there. It's a gate.

The difference is I know the difference.

Check this out,
http://www.boatli.org/locks.htm

They say it's a lock

http://www.town.southampton.ny.us/about.ihtml

The town says it's a lock

http://www.history.rochester.edu/can...06/Chap12.html

This history book says it's a lock and gives the size

The locks to be 22 feet wide, and 90 feet long between gates. . . .

http://www.americancanals.org/progress.htm

And of course the American Canal Organization says it's a lock and
they might have some experience at this.

I found many more references that say it's a lock and did not find one
that said it's a gate.
So I would say that if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and
looks like a duck, it might just be a duck.
All the best,
Robert Gainer

try the Corps of Engs and the CG, and ask for the defintion of a "lock" as to
function, and then the definition of a "gate" as to function.

of course, to Lunnies, it is made of green cheese.

geesh, guys. the damned thing is open most of the time and often is not closed
at all for extended periods of time. go down there and watch the frickin'
water flow **IN**to Peconic Bay (because the damned gate is not closed) and
then **OUT** to Hampton Bay (because that is the way it is supposed to work and
then **IN**to Peconic ....

From: (Robert Gainer)
Date: 11/24/2004 4:54 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

(JAXAshby) wrote in message
...
Been there. It's a lock.

Been there. It's a gate.

The difference is I know the difference.

Check this out,
http://www.boatli.org/locks.htm

They say it's a lock

http://www.town.southampton.ny.us/about.ihtml

The town says it's a lock

http://www.history.rochester.edu/can...06/Chap12.html

This history book says it's a lock and gives the size

The locks to be 22 feet wide, and 90 feet long between gates. . . .

http://www.americancanals.org/progress.htm

And of course the American Canal Organization says it's a lock and
they might have some experience at this.

I found many more references that say it's a lock and did not find one
that said it's a gate.
So I would say that if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and
looks like a duck, it might just be a duck.
All the best,
Robert Gainer

JAXAshby wrote:
try the Corps of Engs and the CG, and ask for the defintion of a "lock" as to
function, and then the definition of a "gate" as to function.

You still trying to beat up this poor dead horse?
No one really gives a rat's patoot if YOU don't consider it a lock.
First off, your knowledge of anything "maritime" is purely basic and
surface skimming. Secondly, considering "first off", if some people wish
to call it a lock, in disagreement to you're nonsense, what do you care?
As for the CG and corp...... well, only you would call them useless
incompetents in one thread, then "experts" in another.
Do us all a favor, Doodles. Go cuddle up with your teddybear and
hibernate for the winter.

otn

over the knee *finally* tells one and all that his posts over the years have no
value except as beer drinking conversation thusly:

From: otnmbrd
Date: 11/24/2004 8:20 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id: . net

JAXAshby wrote:
try the Corps of Engs and the CG, and ask for the defintion of a "lock" as
to
function, and then the definition of a "gate" as to function.

You still trying to beat up this poor dead horse?
No one really gives a rat's patoot if YOU don't consider it a lock.
First off, your knowledge of anything "maritime" is purely basic and
surface skimming. Secondly, considering "first off", if some people wish
to call it a lock, in disagreement to you're nonsense, what do you care?
As for the CG and corp...... well, only you would call them useless
incompetents in one thread, then "experts" in another.
Do us all a favor, Doodles. Go cuddle up with your teddybear and
hibernate for the winter.

otn

Subject: Southern Long Island Bays Local Knowledge
From:

Doodles *finally* tells one and all that his post over the years have no value
even as drinking conversation thusly:


over the knee *finally* tells one and all that his posts over the years have
no
value except as beer drinking conversation thusly:


Shen

LOL Doodles, I hate using the term incompetent, but YOU are not only
incompetent in 99% of your response's content on any given subject
"maritime", but YOU are totally incompetent when it comes to "ass drag"
responses ......

otn


JAXAshby wrote:
over the knee *finally* tells one and all that his posts over the years have no
value except as beer drinking conversation thusly:

over the knee, you are drunk. still, or again?



From: otnmbrd
Date: 11/24/2004 8:59 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id: et

LOL Doodles, I hate using the term incompetent, but YOU are not only
incompetent in 99% of your response's content on any given subject
"maritime", but YOU are totally incompetent when it comes to "ass drag"
responses ......

otn


JAXAshby wrote:
over the knee *finally* tells one and all that his posts over the years
have no
value except as beer drinking conversation thusly:

Jaxie, you've "claimed" the CG and Corps have told you there are no
locks, but you've failed to find any reference to it on the Web. The
Corps, in fact, has had no involvement with the facility, so there is no
reason why the would ever mention it - proving you just made this up!

Numerous references have been given to a variety of sites that describe
the locks. For the third time, here's the Coast Pilot:

http://chartmaker.ncd.noaa.gov/nsd/c...-33ed-Ch10.pdf

Chart 12352
10) Shinnecock Canal, 31.5 miles southwestward of
Montauk Point, is about 1 mile long and connects
Great Peconic Bay with Shinnecock Bay. The canal is
owned and maintained by Suffolk County of New York.
It is a partly dredged cut and is protected at the north
entrance by two jetties; the east jetty is marked by a
light. In April 1985, the east timber jetty was reported
to be deteriorating. Protruding timbers and floating
debris may be encountered; caution is advised. A lock
about midway in the canal is 250 feet long, 41 feet wide,
with a depth of 12 feet over the sills. Tide gates are par-
allel to and westward of the lock. The lock gates and
tide gates are constructed so that tidal action opens
them to allow the current to set south through the
canal and closes them to prevent water from
Shinnecock Bay to flow back into Great Peconic Bay.
The lock gates are tended 24 hours and are opened me-
chanically when the tidal current is flowing northward
to allow the passage of boats. Red and green traffic lights
are at each end of the lock. Vessels are allowed to
enter the lock only on the green signal.
11) The fixed bridges and overhead power cables across
the canal have a least clearance of 22 feet. Mast-step-
ping cranes are available at both ends of the canal.



However, since jaxie doesn't believe the Coast Pilot, here's a
photograph from Google Keyhole service. You can download a demo version
- its a very slick program that allows zooming in anywhere.
www.keyhole.com
This picture clearly show the tide gates to the west and the lock to the
east. Of course, the northern gate is open - its is common for one gate
to be open - but it shows quite clearly on the picture.

http://www.sv-loki.com/shinnecock.jpg

Its pretty clear that if jaxie ever went through this canal (and that is
doubtful) he was so terrified of going through the tide gates that he
didn't notice the lock just to the East.




JAXAshby wrote:
try the Corps of Engs and the CG, and ask for the defintion of a "lock" as to
function, and then the definition of a "gate" as to function.

of course, to Lunnies, it is made of green cheese.

geesh, guys. the damned thing is open most of the time and often is not closed
at all for extended periods of time. go down there and watch the frickin'
water flow **IN**to Peconic Bay (because the damned gate is not closed) and
then **OUT** to Hampton Bay (because that is the way it is supposed to work and
then **IN**to Peconic ....


From: (Robert Gainer)
Date: 11/24/2004 4:54 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

(JAXAshby) wrote in message
...

Been there. It's a lock.

Been there. It's a gate.

The difference is I know the difference.

Check this out,
http://www.boatli.org/locks.htm

They say it's a lock

http://www.town.southampton.ny.us/about.ihtml

The town says it's a lock

http://www.history.rochester.edu/can...06/Chap12.html

This history book says it's a lock and gives the size

The locks to be 22 feet wide, and 90 feet long between gates. . . .

http://www.americancanals.org/progress.htm

And of course the American Canal Organization says it's a lock and
they might have some experience at this.

I found many more references that say it's a lock and did not find one
that said it's a gate.
So I would say that if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and
looks like a duck, it might just be a duck.
All the best,
Robert Gainer

jeffies, give it up. the damned thing is a gate, as described by both theCG
and the C of Eng. Whats more, *IF* you had ever seen the thing *OR* talked
with anyone who works adjacent to the canal you would know (well maybe not you,
jeffies, but the person of at least high two digit or more IQ would know) that
the damned gate if often left open for extended periods of time, totally
negating its intended purpose of limiting the flow of seawater in Peconic Bay.

Get your wife to drive you down there, jeffies, and take a look at the thing,
and maybe talk with those who work close by and/or regularly use the canal.

what a dumb cluck you are.

From: Jeff Morris
Date: 11/25/2004 12:07 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

Jaxie, you've "claimed" the CG and Corps have told you there are no
locks, but you've failed to find any reference to it on the Web. The
Corps, in fact, has had no involvement with the facility, so there is no
reason why the would ever mention it - proving you just made this up!

Numerous references have been given to a variety of sites that describe
the locks. For the third time, here's the Coast Pilot:

http://chartmaker.ncd.noaa.gov/nsd/c...-33ed-Ch10.pdf

Chart 12352
10) Shinnecock Canal, 31.5 miles southwestward of
Montauk Point, is about 1 mile long and connects
Great Peconic Bay with Shinnecock Bay. The canal is
owned and maintained by Suffolk County of New York.
It is a partly dredged cut and is protected at the north
entrance by two jetties; the east jetty is marked by a
light. In April 1985, the east timber jetty was reported
to be deteriorating. Protruding timbers and floating
debris may be encountered; caution is advised. A lock
about midway in the canal is 250 feet long, 41 feet wide,
with a depth of 12 feet over the sills. Tide gates are par-
allel to and westward of the lock. The lock gates and
tide gates are constructed so that tidal action opens
them to allow the current to set south through the
canal and closes them to prevent water from
Shinnecock Bay to flow back into Great Peconic Bay.
The lock gates are tended 24 hours and are opened me-
chanically when the tidal current is flowing northward
to allow the passage of boats. Red and green traffic lights
are at each end of the lock. Vessels are allowed to
enter the lock only on the green signal.
11) The fixed bridges and overhead power cables across
the canal have a least clearance of 22 feet. Mast-step-
ping cranes are available at both ends of the canal.



However, since jaxie doesn't believe the Coast Pilot, here's a
photograph from Google Keyhole service. You can download a demo version
- its a very slick program that allows zooming in anywhere.
www.keyhole.com
This picture clearly show the tide gates to the west and the lock to the
east. Of course, the northern gate is open - its is common for one gate
to be open - but it shows quite clearly on the picture.

http://www.sv-loki.com/shinnecock.jpg

Its pretty clear that if jaxie ever went through this canal (and that is
doubtful) he was so terrified of going through the tide gates that he
didn't notice the lock just to the East.




JAXAshby wrote:
try the Corps of Engs and the CG, and ask for the defintion of a "lock" as
to
function, and then the definition of a "gate" as to function.

of course, to Lunnies, it is made of green cheese.

geesh, guys. the damned thing is open most of the time and often is not
closed
at all for extended periods of time. go down there and watch the frickin'
water flow **IN**to Peconic Bay (because the damned gate is not closed) and
then **OUT** to Hampton Bay (because that is the way it is supposed to work
and
then **IN**to Peconic ....


From: (Robert Gainer)
Date: 11/24/2004 4:54 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

(JAXAshby) wrote in message
...

Been there. It's a lock.

Been there. It's a gate.

The difference is I know the difference.

Check this out,
http://www.boatli.org/locks.htm

They say it's a lock

http://www.town.southampton.ny.us/about.ihtml

The town says it's a lock

http://www.history.rochester.edu/can...06/Chap12.html

This history book says it's a lock and gives the size

The locks to be 22 feet wide, and 90 feet long between gates. . . .

http://www.americancanals.org/progress.htm

And of course the American Canal Organization says it's a lock and
they might have some experience at this.

I found many more references that say it's a lock and did not find one
that said it's a gate.
So I would say that if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and
looks like a duck, it might just be a duck.
All the best,
Robert Gainer

JAXAshby wrote:
jeffies, give it up. the damned thing is a gate, as described by both theCG
and the C of Eng.


Where do they say that, jaxie? In a dream you had? Certainly not on
the internet or in any publication! And what involvement does the Corps
of Eng have with it? You made this up and now you're lying because
you're too much of a coward to admit your blunder.


Whats more, *IF* you had ever seen the thing *OR* talked
with anyone who works adjacent to the canal you would know (well maybe not you,
jeffies, but the person of at least high two digit or more IQ would know) that
the damned gate if often left open for extended periods of time, totally
negating its intended purpose of limiting the flow of seawater in Peconic Bay.

We can all look at it Jaxie. Here's a pictu

http://www.sv-loki.com/shinnecock.jpg

Can you possibly claim this is not a lock?

As for "negating the purpose" there has been discussion about revering
the gates to allow more sea water into Peconic bay. But regardless,
that's a lock next to the tide gates. Only an idiot would claim otherwise.