My first post in this thread referenced a site (the Coast Pilot) that says:

"The lock gates and tide gates are constructed so that tidal action opens them to
allow the current to set south through the canal and closes them to prevent water from
Shinnecock Bay to flow back into Great Peconic Bay."

What am I going to say? I'd say that you've completely reversed your position and
now you're agreeing with me. This is more than a backpedal, this is complete
capitulation!

As for the tidal difference, Peconic Bay at the canal and Shinnecock Inlet (about
three miles away) are almost exactly out of phase. An hour ago, Peconic was high,
about 2.5 feet, and the Inlet was low, at 0.5 feet. That makes about a two foot
difference, plenty to make a serious current. What's your point jaxie?



"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
jeffies, has never, ever, nowhere seen the canal -- not even from the highway
-- but he continues to claim expertise.

I wonder what jeffies is going to say when I tell him the "locks" are open on
an ebb, and **often** open on a flood. I wonder what jeffies is going to say
when I ask him how much difference there is in water height to produce a 5 knot
tidal flow?

watch jeffie's wife bark him about the head and shoulders because he doesn't
know what the phrase "tidal flow" means.



From: "Jeff Morris"
Date: 10/21/2004 8:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

"Shen44" wrote

Yeah, don't argue mit Doodles. It's obvious he doesn't know what he's
talkin
about, and considering his past problems wit reading comprehension, you've
only
got a one in one thousand chance that he read the CG and Corp sites
correcty.


Shen,
It isn't too hard to search the CG or Corps of Eng sites for all references
to
"Shinnecock." There are very few, and none refer to the locks/gate. In the
case of
the Corps, this is understandable, since they did not build nor do then
maintain the
facility. I'm not sure if the CG area of responsibility extends through the
canal,
but I wouldn't be surprised if they hardly ever go through. Jax is
bluffing- there
is no site, he never talked to the CG or Corps, he was never there.

There are however, a variety of rather explicit references to the locks,
including the
size, number of gates and their operation. Its pretty clear they're regular
locks,
with tide gates next to them. Its possible that jaxie heard someone say they
went
through the gates when the current was south, and didn't realize you have to
use the
locks to go back when the flow is the other way.

I called the lock tender just to make sure - he was rather surprised that
someone
didn't understand how the facility works.

"The lock gates and tide gates are constructed so that tidal action opens
them to
allow the current to set south through the canal and closes them to prevent
water from
Shinnecock Bay to flow back into Great Peconic Bay."

in other words, they are gates open for all but about two hours a days (if
that, and often not that for days at a time) only to flow from the Atlantic to
the Peconic.

Well, aside from the fact that its a lot close to twelve hours a day than two hours,
its exactly like I claimed it was. Jax, you were dead wrong and now you're just
backpedaling.


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
"The lock gates and tide gates are constructed so that tidal action opens
them to
allow the current to set south through the canal and closes them to prevent
water from
Shinnecock Bay to flow back into Great Peconic Bay."

in other words, they are gates open for all but about two hours a days (if
that, and often not that for days at a time) only to flow from the Atlantic to
the Peconic.

jeffies, *two* hours, but who's counting.

yo-yo, the gate is there to stop serious inflooding on a rising tide. That and
that alone. no much inflooding except for about the middle two hours of flood.

yuk-yuk, **IF** you have ever seen the canal you would have noticed -- even
you, jeffies -- that the gate is often not closed at all during flood.

why don't you go sailing sometime, jeffies. don't bother to ask me, for I will
read any posts for at least a couple weeks. you see, I'm heading ESE for a
bit.

From: "Jeff Morris"
Date: 10/23/2004 8:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

Well, aside from the fact that its a lot close to twelve hours a day than two
hours,
its exactly like I claimed it was. Jax, you were dead wrong and now you're
just
backpedaling.


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
"The lock gates and tide gates are constructed so that tidal action opens
them to
allow the current to set south through the canal and closes them to prevent
water from
Shinnecock Bay to flow back into Great Peconic Bay."

in other words, they are gates open for all but about two hours a days (if
that, and often not that for days at a time) only to flow from the Atlantic
to
the Peconic.

Sorry jax, you're wrong again as usual. If you understood the way tides work, you
would know that currents driven by heights differences have a very short slack time.

Is there no limit to your ignorance?

Have a good trip jaxie. Lets hope that this time you won't need to call the Coast
Guard. And do leave the navigation to someone else. Someone who doesn't get lost
with two GPS's on board.


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
jeffies, *two* hours, but who's counting.

yo-yo, the gate is there to stop serious inflooding on a rising tide. That and
that alone. no much inflooding except for about the middle two hours of flood.

yuk-yuk, **IF** you have ever seen the canal you would have noticed -- even
you, jeffies -- that the gate is often not closed at all during flood.

why don't you go sailing sometime, jeffies. don't bother to ask me, for I will
read any posts for at least a couple weeks. you see, I'm heading ESE for a
bit.

From: "Jeff Morris"
Date: 10/23/2004 8:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

Well, aside from the fact that its a lot close to twelve hours a day than two
hours,
its exactly like I claimed it was. Jax, you were dead wrong and now you're
just
backpedaling.


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
"The lock gates and tide gates are constructed so that tidal action opens
them to
allow the current to set south through the canal and closes them to prevent
water from
Shinnecock Bay to flow back into Great Peconic Bay."

in other words, they are gates open for all but about two hours a days (if
that, and often not that for days at a time) only to flow from the Atlantic
to
the Peconic.

blah, blah, blah. jeffies, give it up and admit you don't know the difference
between a lock and a gate, or anything else.


From: "Jeff Morris"
Date: 10/23/2004 8:50 AM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

Sorry jax, you're wrong again as usual. If you understood the way tides
work, you
would know that currents driven by heights differences have a very short
slack time.

Is there no limit to your ignorance?

Have a good trip jaxie. Lets hope that this time you won't need to call the
Coast
Guard. And do leave the navigation to someone else. Someone who doesn't
get lost
with two GPS's on board.


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
jeffies, *two* hours, but who's counting.

yo-yo, the gate is there to stop serious inflooding on a rising tide. That
and
that alone. no much inflooding except for about the middle two hours of
flood.

yuk-yuk, **IF** you have ever seen the canal you would have noticed -- even
you, jeffies -- that the gate is often not closed at all during flood.

why don't you go sailing sometime, jeffies. don't bother to ask me, for I
will
read any posts for at least a couple weeks. you see, I'm heading ESE for a
bit.

From: "Jeff Morris"
Date: 10/23/2004 8:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

Well, aside from the fact that its a lot close to twelve hours a day than
two
hours,
its exactly like I claimed it was. Jax, you were dead wrong and now you're
just
backpedaling.


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
"The lock gates and tide gates are constructed so that tidal action
opens
them to
allow the current to set south through the canal and closes them to
prevent
water from
Shinnecock Bay to flow back into Great Peconic Bay."

in other words, they are gates open for all but about two hours a days
(if
that, and often not that for days at a time) only to flow from the
Atlantic
to
the Peconic.

And you're too stupid to understand that there can be both gates and locks at the same
location.

BTW, the NOAA current tables indicate that the current only flows one way through the
canal, and is slack half the time. But what would they know?
http://co-ops.nos.noaa.gov/currents04/tab2ac4.html


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
blah, blah, blah. jeffies, give it up and admit you don't know the difference
between a lock and a gate, or anything else.


From: "Jeff Morris"
Date: 10/23/2004 8:50 AM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

Sorry jax, you're wrong again as usual. If you understood the way tides
work, you
would know that currents driven by heights differences have a very short
slack time.

Is there no limit to your ignorance?

Have a good trip jaxie. Lets hope that this time you won't need to call the
Coast
Guard. And do leave the navigation to someone else. Someone who doesn't
get lost
with two GPS's on board.


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
jeffies, *two* hours, but who's counting.

yo-yo, the gate is there to stop serious inflooding on a rising tide. That
and
that alone. no much inflooding except for about the middle two hours of
flood.

yuk-yuk, **IF** you have ever seen the canal you would have noticed -- even
you, jeffies -- that the gate is often not closed at all during flood.

why don't you go sailing sometime, jeffies. don't bother to ask me, for I
will
read any posts for at least a couple weeks. you see, I'm heading ESE for a
bit.

From: "Jeff Morris"
Date: 10/23/2004 8:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

Well, aside from the fact that its a lot close to twelve hours a day than
two
hours,
its exactly like I claimed it was. Jax, you were dead wrong and now you're
just
backpedaling.


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
"The lock gates and tide gates are constructed so that tidal action
opens
them to
allow the current to set south through the canal and closes them to
prevent
water from
Shinnecock Bay to flow back into Great Peconic Bay."

in other words, they are gates open for all but about two hours a days
(if
that, and often not that for days at a time) only to flow from the
Atlantic
to
the Peconic.

As for the tidal difference, Peconic Bay at the canal and Shinnecock Inlet
(about
three miles away) are almost exactly out of phase. An hour ago, Peconic was
high,
about 2.5 feet, and the Inlet was low, at 0.5 feet.

THREE FRICKIN' MILES with a height difference of TWO FRICKIN
FEET?????????????????????????????????????????????? ????????????????????????
???????????????????

jeffies, have you any idea just what the current is when you have a two foot
difference in height over two frickin' miles?

obvously not.

What's the big deal, jaxie? You just have to look in the Coast Pilot, I gave the
link in my first post:

"The maximum recorded current is 4.3 knots, southerly, through the lock and tide gates
at peak flow when the gates are open. At the railroad bridge, the current has an
average speed of 1.5 knots, but it has been reported that greater speeds may be
experienced. (See Tidal Current Tables for predictions.) At times of high southerly
current i.e., when the gates are open, there exists a dangerous eddy system extending
from the south end of the lock southerly for approximately 200 yards. Tidal currents
throughout the entire canal can be dangerous; caution is advised."

Large height differences are not that uncommon. The Cape Cod Canal has 9 foot tides
on the Cape Cod Bay end, and 4 foot on Buzzard's Bay, and they're out of sync. There
is frequently a 6 foot difference. Closer to your care facility, Hell Gate can have
three feet of difference across a rather short distance.

This is the way the ocean works, jaxie. If you understood the tides, they wouldn't be
so scary.


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
As for the tidal difference, Peconic Bay at the canal and Shinnecock Inlet
(about
three miles away) are almost exactly out of phase. An hour ago, Peconic was
high,
about 2.5 feet, and the Inlet was low, at 0.5 feet.

THREE FRICKIN' MILES with a height difference of TWO FRICKIN
FEET?????????????????????????????????????????????? ????????????????????????
???????????????????

jeffies, have you any idea just what the current is when you have a two foot
difference in height over two frickin' miles?

obvously not.

Subject: Shinnecock Inlet
From: (JAXAshby)
Date: 10/22/2004 19:42 Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

As for the tidal difference, Peconic Bay at the canal and Shinnecock Inlet
(about
three miles away) are almost exactly out of phase. An hour ago, Peconic
was
high,
about 2.5 feet, and the Inlet was low, at 0.5 feet.

THREE FRICKIN' MILES with a height difference of TWO FRICKIN
FEET????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????
???????????????????

jeffies, have you any idea just what the current is when you have a two foot
difference in height over two frickin' miles?

obvously not.


........ G And again, Doodles shows us how little he knows or understands
about tidal flows/currents.
Have a good sail, and remember, you've signed on as BR/galley boy, so keep your
mouth shut and your ears open, and you might learn something........nah, the
brain cells remaining are too dependant on the meds.

Shen