Subject: Shinnecock Inlet
From: Wayne.B
On 17 Oct 2004 17:43:55 GMT, (Shen44) wrote:

Question.
Does this "lock" include a chamber that you bring boats into, close a gate
at
both ends

Yes

then raise or lower the water level in some way so that you are
either higher or lower than when you entered the chamber?

There is a difference in water level (that's what causes the tidal
current flow), but it is fairly minimal compared to most locks found
at river dams.

If my memory is correct they equalize water levels by cracking open
the lock gates, ie, no sluice way or valves, but I'm not sure of that.


Thanks, Wayne. I'd call it a lock.
The fact that the difference may not be all that great or that they don't
always use it that way (am I right in that they sometimes just leave both gates
open?).
Now, the fact that Doodles doesn't think it's a lock, is immaterial, and since
he hasn't shown any CG or Corp statements to the contrary, I'd say we can put
another of his stupid arguments in the junk file.

Shen

shen, go look it up **if** you know how, and see just what the CG or C of E
says. but what do they know, right?

There is a gate there and it is open most of the time. the purpose of the gate
is to slow movement of salty ocean water into less salty bay water. I believe
sometimes it is left open and does not then serve its intended purpose.

btw, for several miles south of the canal is very shallow Hamptons Bay, which
was a swamp until the Hurricane of 1938.

From: (Shen44)
Date: 10/18/2004 12:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

Subject: Shinnecock Inlet
From: Wayne.B
On 17 Oct 2004 17:43:55 GMT, (Shen44) wrote:

Question.
Does this "lock" include a chamber that you bring boats into, close a gate
at
both ends

Yes

then raise or lower the water level in some way so that you are
either higher or lower than when you entered the chamber?

There is a difference in water level (that's what causes the tidal
current flow), but it is fairly minimal compared to most locks found
at river dams.

If my memory is correct they equalize water levels by cracking open
the lock gates, ie, no sluice way or valves, but I'm not sure of that.


Thanks, Wayne. I'd call it a lock.
The fact that the difference may not be all that great or that they don't
always use it that way (am I right in that they sometimes just leave both
gates
open?).
Now, the fact that Doodles doesn't think it's a lock, is immaterial, and
since
he hasn't shown any CG or Corp statements to the contrary, I'd say we can put
another of his stupid arguments in the junk file.

Shen

Subject: Shinnecock Inlet
From: (JAXAshby)


shen, go look it up **if** you know how, and see just what the CG or C of E
says. but what do they know, right?

Why would I look under the USCG for their comments? First off, I can't see
where they'd care one way or the other. Secondly, I'm not sure under what part
of the USCG it would be covered .... mayhaps, in your infinite wisdom you could
direct me to the relevant USCG pub, etc. that states such.
As for the Corp, they can and will call it anything their engineering
responsibilities may dictate as advantageous to them.
I.e., I wouldn't call either of your above sources, as the "final word" for the
purposes of this discussion.
Now, if you'd included NOAA......


There is a gate there and it is open most of the time. the purpose of the
gate
is to slow movement of salty ocean water into less salty bay water. I believe
sometimes it is left open and does not then serve its intended purpose.

Your description and the Coast Pilot description seem to vary..... can you
explain that?


btw, for several miles south of the canal is very shallow Hamptons Bay, which
was a swamp until the Hurricane of 1938.

......And this has what to do with the price of tea?.... or is this a vain
attempt to impress us with your local knowledge?

Shen

Your description and the Coast Pilot description seem to vary..... can you
explain that?

a.) I have been there, and b.) I know boaters who keep there boats there, and
c.) I have talk with marina owners in the area, d.) I know the difference
between a lock and a gate.

Subject: Shinnecock Inlet
From: (JAXAshby)
Date: 10/18/2004 18:52 Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

Your description and the Coast Pilot description seem to vary..... can you
explain that?

a.) I have been there, and b.) I know boaters who keep there boats there, and
c.) I have talk with marina owners in the area, d.) I know the difference
between a lock and a gate.


No, you have settled on a description which suits your argument and are too
stupid to realize that others may describe the "lock", "gate" in terms other
than yours, and AGAIN, you are too stupid to realize that their terminology is
just as valid as yours for a number of reasons.
As per usual, Doodles, you've created and maintained a stupid argument for the
simple reason that you have a very narrow field of experience and knowledge on
the subject and your mental capacity limits your ability to think "outside the
box".

Shen

okay squathead, you call 'em the way you see 'em and I will call them the way
both the CG and Corps of Engineers see them.

but what do they know?

Your description and the Coast Pilot description seem to vary..... can you
explain that?

a.) I have been there, and b.) I know boaters who keep there boats there,
and
c.) I have talk with marina owners in the area, d.) I know the difference
between a lock and a gate.


No, you have settled on a description which suits your argument and are too
stupid to realize that others may describe the "lock", "gate" in terms other
than yours, and AGAIN, you are too stupid to realize that their terminology
is
just as valid as yours for a number of reasons.
As per usual, Doodles, you've created and maintained a stupid argument for
the
simple reason that you have a very narrow field of experience and knowledge
on
the subject and your mental capacity limits your ability to think "outside
the
box".

Shen

Subject: Shinnecock Inlet
From: (JAXAshby)

okay squathead, you call 'em the way you see 'em and I will call them the way
both the CG and Corps of Engineers see them.

but what do they know?


Exactly. What "DO" they know?
BTW, let's assume that the canal/lock in question runs N-S. Now, if the tidal
current is flowing at a good rate through the canal/lock from N-S, could we
assume that the water to the South is at a lower level than the water to the
North?
If you should answer this in the affirmative, then we can say that the lock is
used to raise or lower (even if only inches) vessels, though the main reason
may have more to do with overcoming the dangers of a strong current, and get
vessels, safely through the area........ just a thought.

Shen