jeffies, haul out a chart and LOOK at what you are proposing. kriste almighty!

From: "Jeff Morris"
Date: 10/16/2004 12:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
jeffies, you have never seen the Shinnecock/Suez Canal, not even from the
highway. so, how come you keep insisting that neither the United States
Coast
Guard, nor the United States Army Corps of Engineers is wrong?

Nope, I've never been through. I'm just quoting what the Coast Pilot says.
There
are a number of sites that refer to the locks.

And I'm not saying the CG or Army Corps are wrong; I'm saying you're lying
about what
they say.



btw, jeffies, what is the chance *you* think *you* could move your training
wheels through that canal and out through the bay on the ocean side? tell
us
about just how you and your wife are going to pull down your mast on one
end of
the canal and put it up on the other, and then just how you are going to
navigate the channel out through Hampton Bay (without calling SeaTow
several
times), then make it past the entrance (which side does one favor, today?)
and
then through the wind against the current, then on to (what if totally
frightening to you) the open ocean?

What's the problem? You must realize that my boat was built in Toronto and I
brought
her down through the Erie Canal. And I've boated all my life near the locks
on the
Charles River, their operation is no great mystery.

Sorry Jax, you can't bluff your way through this; its clear you've never been
there,
and probably have never seen a lock in operation.




Gee, the blogs didn't mention that, did they?

jeffies, the only people who think the SC has a lock are locals trying to
make
it sound like the Suez Canal, and people such as yourself who read blogs as
insightful fact.

A blog is infinately more trustworthy than your advice, jaxie! What's your
record
now? About zero for a thousand? You're a chronic liar, jaxie. When you
don't know
what's going on, (which is most of the time) you just make it up.

BTW, are you claiming the Suez Canal has locks? Guess that's another thing
you don't
know about.



From: "Jeff Morris"
Date: 10/16/2004 9:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time
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I quoted the Coast Pilot, but you didn't believe it. Face it jaxie, this
is
yet
another topic where you've demonstrated your ignorance.

If you can provide a source for your claims, why don't you do so? If you
don't,
you're just admitting you acted like a 5 year-old and made it up.


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
jeffies, resorts to quoting a blog to "prove" the USCG is wrong.

"Jeff Morris"
Date: 10/16/2004 7:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
Shinnecock is a lock

Not according to the Army Corps of Engineers. But what do they know?

Not much about this lock. But that could be because they don't
maintain
it.

Here's one account of the locks from:
http://www.whaler.com/REC/WhalerTour...?content=log25

"Shinnecock Bay lay to the south of the marina, and entering it
requires
going through
the Shinnecock canal, which is about a mile and half long. Mid-way
through
the canal
is the dreaded Shinnecock Lock. Ordinarily the lock operates like any
other;
the boats
enter, the gates on one end close, and once the water is raised or
lowered,
the gates
on the opposite end open so that the boats can exit. However, twice a
day
for
about
six hours, the gates remain open. The current rushes through at nearly
five
knots and
boaters test their skill as they try to traverse the tricky canal. On
our
first trip
through, Kevin, one of the salesmen, was aboard and we appreciated his
advice. Local
knowledge, always invaluable, was never so much appreciated as we
negotiated
our way
through the canal, through the lock, and into the Bay. "

I can certainly see why you would be scared ****less, but then, you're to much of a
coward to even admit your name.

Obviously, the mast would have to be lowered, and that by itself would be to much work
for the benefit. But this is no more tricky or dangerous than a dozen other places
I've been. The locks are 41 by 250 feet, not that different from others I've been in.
And while it might be tricky with the tide running through, I regularly transit the
Blynman Canal (in Gloucester) which is considerably narrower and just as strong.



"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
jeffies, haul out a chart and LOOK at what you are proposing. kriste almighty!

From: "Jeff Morris"
Date: 10/16/2004 12:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
jeffies, you have never seen the Shinnecock/Suez Canal, not even from the
highway. so, how come you keep insisting that neither the United States
Coast
Guard, nor the United States Army Corps of Engineers is wrong?

Nope, I've never been through. I'm just quoting what the Coast Pilot says.
There
are a number of sites that refer to the locks.

And I'm not saying the CG or Army Corps are wrong; I'm saying you're lying
about what
they say.



btw, jeffies, what is the chance *you* think *you* could move your training
wheels through that canal and out through the bay on the ocean side? tell
us
about just how you and your wife are going to pull down your mast on one
end of
the canal and put it up on the other, and then just how you are going to
navigate the channel out through Hampton Bay (without calling SeaTow
several
times), then make it past the entrance (which side does one favor, today?)
and
then through the wind against the current, then on to (what if totally
frightening to you) the open ocean?

What's the problem? You must realize that my boat was built in Toronto and I
brought
her down through the Erie Canal. And I've boated all my life near the locks
on the
Charles River, their operation is no great mystery.

Sorry Jax, you can't bluff your way through this; its clear you've never been
there,
and probably have never seen a lock in operation.

jeffies, it is a gate, not a lock, according to both the CG and CofEng, and it
is open most of the time. However, few boat capable of being taken offshore
have masts easily taken down and put back up by the vessel's crew using DIY
manual equipment at each of the the canal.

Keep in mind, jeffies, that Hampton Bay was a swamp until the Hurricane of 1938
and even today is a decidedly shallow body of water with a constantly shifting
bottom and a often barely sufficient depth channel that moves around a lot and
an outlet to the ocean often with nasty standing waves wind against the current
in a highly changeable channel.

Here is what Shinnecock Inlet has looked like over the years.

http://www.oceanscience.net/inletson...3?inlet=Shinne
cock&state=New+York&district=New+York

What it looks like today is much different, and what it looks like after the
next storm will be different again.

you wanna go through there jeffies? get a SeaTow membership.

now, about you and your wife dropping the mast on your boat, and then 20
minutes later putting it back up, you fumb duck. Just to get to the northern
edge of the Shinnecock Canal you must first negoiate the currents either side
of Shelter Island, motor many miles across Great Peconic Bay and then Little
Peconic Bay taking great care to avoid the shallow spots.

jeffies, even in your training wheels and even with your utter lack of ordinary
intellgience *you* wouldn't do something like that.

From: "Jeff Morris"
Date: 10/16/2004 1:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:


I can certainly see why you would be scared ****less, but then, you're to
much of a
coward to even admit your name.

Obviously, the mast would have to be lowered, and that by itself would be to
much work
for the benefit. But this is no more tricky or dangerous than a dozen other
places
I've been. The locks are 41 by 250 feet, not that different from others I've
been in.
And while it might be tricky with the tide running through, I regularly
transit the
Blynman Canal (in Gloucester) which is considerably narrower and just as
strong.



"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
jeffies, haul out a chart and LOOK at what you are proposing. kriste
almighty!

From: "Jeff Morris"
Date: 10/16/2004 12:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
jeffies, you have never seen the Shinnecock/Suez Canal, not even from
the
highway. so, how come you keep insisting that neither the United States
Coast
Guard, nor the United States Army Corps of Engineers is wrong?

Nope, I've never been through. I'm just quoting what the Coast Pilot
says.
There
are a number of sites that refer to the locks.

And I'm not saying the CG or Army Corps are wrong; I'm saying you're lying
about what
they say.



btw, jeffies, what is the chance *you* think *you* could move your
training
wheels through that canal and out through the bay on the ocean side?
tell
us
about just how you and your wife are going to pull down your mast on one
end of
the canal and put it up on the other, and then just how you are going to
navigate the channel out through Hampton Bay (without calling SeaTow
several
times), then make it past the entrance (which side does one favor,
today?)
and
then through the wind against the current, then on to (what if totally
frightening to you) the open ocean?

What's the problem? You must realize that my boat was built in Toronto
and I
brought
her down through the Erie Canal. And I've boated all my life near the
locks
on the
Charles River, their operation is no great mystery.

Sorry Jax, you can't bluff your way through this; its clear you've never
been
there,
and probably have never seen a lock in operation.

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
jeffies, it is a gate, not a lock, according to both the CG and CofEng, and it

It is locks with a tide gate, according to the Coast Pilot, Suffolk County who owns
and operates it, and various people who have gone through it. You have failed to show
any evidence to the contrary, again demonstrating you're a fool and a liar.

The rest of this is meaningless gibberish. Since I never claimed any desire to take
my boat through I don't know why the issue of lowering my mast is relevant. Its
pretty clear that you're terrified of operating any vessel in close quarters, or in
strong currents, so its just as well that you don't have a boat.




is open most of the time. However, few boat capable of being taken offshore
have masts easily taken down and put back up by the vessel's crew using DIY
manual equipment at each of the the canal.

Keep in mind, jeffies, that Hampton Bay was a swamp until the Hurricane of 1938
and even today is a decidedly shallow body of water with a constantly shifting
bottom and a often barely sufficient depth channel that moves around a lot and
an outlet to the ocean often with nasty standing waves wind against the current
in a highly changeable channel.

Here is what Shinnecock Inlet has looked like over the years.

http://www.oceanscience.net/inletson...3?inlet=Shinne
cock&state=New+York&district=New+York

What it looks like today is much different, and what it looks like after the
next storm will be different again.

you wanna go through there jeffies? get a SeaTow membership.

now, about you and your wife dropping the mast on your boat, and then 20
minutes later putting it back up, you fumb duck. Just to get to the northern
edge of the Shinnecock Canal you must first negoiate the currents either side
of Shelter Island, motor many miles across Great Peconic Bay and then Little
Peconic Bay taking great care to avoid the shallow spots.

jeffies, even in your training wheels and even with your utter lack of ordinary
intellgience *you* wouldn't do something like that.

From: "Jeff Morris"
Date: 10/16/2004 1:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:


I can certainly see why you would be scared ****less, but then, you're to
much of a
coward to even admit your name.

Obviously, the mast would have to be lowered, and that by itself would be to
much work
for the benefit. But this is no more tricky or dangerous than a dozen other
places
I've been. The locks are 41 by 250 feet, not that different from others I've
been in.
And while it might be tricky with the tide running through, I regularly
transit the
Blynman Canal (in Gloucester) which is considerably narrower and just as
strong.



"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
jeffies, haul out a chart and LOOK at what you are proposing. kriste
almighty!

From: "Jeff Morris"
Date: 10/16/2004 12:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
jeffies, you have never seen the Shinnecock/Suez Canal, not even from
the
highway. so, how come you keep insisting that neither the United States
Coast
Guard, nor the United States Army Corps of Engineers is wrong?

Nope, I've never been through. I'm just quoting what the Coast Pilot
says.
There
are a number of sites that refer to the locks.

And I'm not saying the CG or Army Corps are wrong; I'm saying you're lying
about what
they say.



btw, jeffies, what is the chance *you* think *you* could move your
training
wheels through that canal and out through the bay on the ocean side?
tell
us
about just how you and your wife are going to pull down your mast on one
end of
the canal and put it up on the other, and then just how you are going to
navigate the channel out through Hampton Bay (without calling SeaTow
several
times), then make it past the entrance (which side does one favor,
today?)
and
then through the wind against the current, then on to (what if totally
frightening to you) the open ocean?

What's the problem? You must realize that my boat was built in Toronto
and I
brought
her down through the Erie Canal. And I've boated all my life near the
locks
on the
Charles River, their operation is no great mystery.

Sorry Jax, you can't bluff your way through this; its clear you've never
been
there,
and probably have never seen a lock in operation.

Question.
Does this "lock" include a chamber that you bring boats into, close a gate at
both ends, then raise or lower the water level in some way so that you are
either higher or lower than when you entered the chamber?

Shen

On 17 Oct 2004 17:43:55 GMT, (Shen44) wrote:

Question.
Does this "lock" include a chamber that you bring boats into, close a gate at
both ends

Yes

then raise or lower the water level in some way so that you are
either higher or lower than when you entered the chamber?

There is a difference in water level (that's what causes the tidal
current flow), but it is fairly minimal compared to most locks found
at river dams.

If my memory is correct they equalize water levels by cracking open
the lock gates, ie, no sluice way or valves, but I'm not sure of that.

in other words, no.

Wayne.B
Date: 10/17/2004 10:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

On 17 Oct 2004 17:43:55 GMT, (Shen44) wrote:

Question.
Does this "lock" include a chamber that you bring boats into, close a gate
at
both ends

Yes

then raise or lower the water level in some way so that you are
either higher or lower than when you entered the chamber?

There is a difference in water level (that's what causes the tidal
current flow), but it is fairly minimal compared to most locks found
at river dams.

If my memory is correct they equalize water levels by cracking open
the lock gates, ie, no sluice way or valves, but I'm not sure of that.

Subject: Shinnecock Inlet
From: Wayne.B
On 17 Oct 2004 17:43:55 GMT, (Shen44) wrote:

Question.
Does this "lock" include a chamber that you bring boats into, close a gate
at
both ends

Yes

then raise or lower the water level in some way so that you are
either higher or lower than when you entered the chamber?

There is a difference in water level (that's what causes the tidal
current flow), but it is fairly minimal compared to most locks found
at river dams.

If my memory is correct they equalize water levels by cracking open
the lock gates, ie, no sluice way or valves, but I'm not sure of that.


Thanks, Wayne. I'd call it a lock.
The fact that the difference may not be all that great or that they don't
always use it that way (am I right in that they sometimes just leave both gates
open?).
Now, the fact that Doodles doesn't think it's a lock, is immaterial, and since
he hasn't shown any CG or Corp statements to the contrary, I'd say we can put
another of his stupid arguments in the junk file.

Shen

not according the the United States Coast Guard or the United States Army Corps
of Engineers.

From: (Shen44)
Date: 10/17/2004 1:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

Question.
Does this "lock" include a chamber that you bring boats into, close a gate at
both ends, then raise or lower the water level in some way so that you are
either higher or lower than when you entered the chamber?

Shen

I don't know why the issue of lowering my mast is relevant.

yup. that is why everyone on the planet considers you stew ped.