On Sun, 10 May 2015 21:51:36 -0400, "Flying Pig"
wrote:

Shake and Break, part 9 - May 10, 2015

We left you wondering whether we'd see wind and sun, and, maybe, how we made
out on water. We'd been blessed a couple of weeks ago with full tanks, and,
as we had more "weather" (weather among boaters generally means wind and
rain) coming, we didn't feel we had to economize. For the week or so
involved, we were profligate with our water.

The low which is now expected to make shore in the Carolinas, not yet named
Ana, brushed by us. Nearly no wind, but torrential rain. Again, we opened
our tanks, and, shortly had our forward tank full, and also opened the
supplemental 50 gallon gravity fed tank. That filled in about 15 minutes,
giving you an idea of the force of the water coming in through the only-3/8"
pipe. - but that was days ago...

We switched to our aft tank, which had been filled the day we left Vero
Beach, to begin emptying it in the hopes that we'd get another dose of rain.
If we did, we'd start diluting the municipal water we'd put in. We also
hoped for more wind, so our batteries would continue to benefit from the
KISS wind generator.

After the deluge, we tended to the 1-2-3's which had accumulated. Our new
oil pump didn't pump, so we made the trek into town to make an exchange. We
also were in need of a laundry run, as well as some question about our
cellular hotspot. As the marina with the laundry (more convenient than
hauling into town) closed at 4PM, for security's sake, we left Lydia there
at 2:45. We'd parked the dinghy on the public floating dock next to their
fuel fill, and had access to the road. If they were closed when I returned,
I'd take the dinghy around to the marina laundry's ladder.

Which turned out to be a good thing, as Napa/True Value Hardware did,
finally, exchange my pump, but it took 40 minutes. While I was waiting, I
chatted up another couple and learned that they needed a bow roller. We
redid our bow roller system to something entirely different when we went to
our 73# (33kg) Rocna anchor, and I still had several new rollers in stock
which I'd never again use.

Of course, as a fellow cruiser, I immediately offered one to them.
Discussion ensued, and it was determined that my roller could serve until
they got back to the US and could source the type of roller they needed.

Of course, I chortled to Lydia when I returned, as there's the typical
cruisers' fight/struggle about what gets to come aboard. Those things I'll
never use, but someone else may well need, are many among my various spares.
It's times like these that makes hunting for a cubby for whatever-it-is
worthwhile!

On up the road with my replacement pump in hand, I find that as is
frequently the case, it's PEBKAC - problem exists between keyboard and
chair - meaning that there were tricks I'd not yet learned about this new
phone and the technology involved. My previous leap into cell technology
was a flip phone so I'm still confused :{)) The other item of concern was
usage; our plan seemed ample, but the way we were ramping up the electrons,
it looked way too small. It turns out that the phone routinely
overestimates usage by half. We'll see when the first bill arrives,
allowing us to log on from that point and check as we go.

Thus armed, it was back to the laundry; it was well we had done it that way,
as Lydia was just finished, and because it was after 4, stuck outside the
office. I took the dinghy around, and we headed back for our dinner aboard.

As it turned out, we never got another rainstorm, and even the very small
showers were brief. We'll get more water, I'm sure, but as it appears clear
and "settled" (cruiser-speak for no rain and not much wind) for the next
many days, just how long it will be before we can refill remains open to
question. But even if it never happens again, we've been entirely blessed
to have had our tanks filled a month from our departure.

So, onward, we tried out the new pump after running Perky (our diesel
auxiliary engine) to get the oil warmed. On my battery drill (which is what
drives the pump) I have two speeds. I discovered after I'd panicked about
my prior pump not working, and again the new one, that I'd had my setting on
"1" - and, apparently, it wasn't fast enough to create the suction in the
tube in order to get the oil moving.

Because I used the "1" position on the pump I'd just tossed in the trash, I
fetched it back out and ran it on high, figuring I couldn’t ruin it, given
that I'd just tossed it. But it worked, and we made short work of our oil
change.

It turns out that most gas stations will accept waste oil, resolving that
conundrum. We're not quite brave enough to do as some cruisers have, and as
the US military does quite regularly, and that's recycle it in the diesel
fuel. It's basically filtered, dirty oil, and diesels will run on nearly
anything, recycled chinese restaurant oil, among them, or french-fryer oil,
fish fryer oil, and the like. Still, with a water cooled exhaust I'd worry
about what sort of accumulations might occur, so we recycle ashore.


Perhaps it is a little "picky" but the idea that since a diesel will
run on about any fuel - I believe that the original "diesel" engine
was built to run on powdered coal - can be a bit deceiving in that
while the engine will run on about anything the injection pump is a
high pressure piston pump (in the older designs) and that pump will
not stand a lot of abuse. As an example: Way back when the Indonesian
government subsidized kerosene as a cooking stove fuel many truckers
found that their diesel trucks ran very well on kerosene... But
kerosene is a extremely poor lubricant and in about a year all those
canny truckers were replacing their injection pumps :-)

I suggest that for the price it is better to run a diesel engine on
clean, filtered, diesel fuel.

Or perhaps budget for an injection pump replacement every year or so
:-)

--
cheers,

Bruce in Bangkok

"Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message
...



It turns out that most gas stations will accept waste oil, resolving that
conundrum. We're not quite brave enough to do as some cruisers have, and
as
the US military does quite regularly, and that's recycle it in the diesel
fuel. It's basically filtered, dirty oil, and diesels will run on nearly
anything, recycled chinese restaurant oil, among them, or french-fryer oil,
fish fryer oil, and the like. Still, with a water cooled exhaust I'd worry
about what sort of accumulations might occur, so we recycle ashore.


Perhaps it is a little "picky" but the idea that since a diesel will
run on about any fuel - I believe that the original "diesel" engine
was built to run on powdered coal - can be a bit deceiving in that
while the engine will run on about anything the injection pump is a
high pressure piston pump (in the older designs) and that pump will
not stand a lot of abuse. As an example: Way back when the Indonesian
government subsidized kerosene as a cooking stove fuel many truckers
found that their diesel trucks ran very well on kerosene... But
kerosene is a extremely poor lubricant and in about a year all those
canny truckers were replacing their injection pumps :-)

I suggest that for the price it is better to run a diesel engine on
clean, filtered, diesel fuel.

Or perhaps budget for an injection pump replacement every year or so
:-)

--
cheers,

Bruce in Bangkok


As you saw, that's what I do run on, in fact.

However, Larry Butler (larryw4csc) has run his diesel van and car on
recycled Chinese food oil for at least 8 years.

His van is the pickup, another is responsible for the storage/filtering
facility, and and a third handles all the paperwork. The restaurants used
to have to pay to have it hauled away; they're delighted to have it taken
for free, in the same plastic jugs it came in.

But I'll not be putting our oil down the tank, nor using anything other than
normal pump fuel which will be well filtered by our polishing system.

L8R

Skip

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On Mon, 11 May 2015 18:22:52 -0400, "Flying Pig"
wrote:

"Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message
.. .



It turns out that most gas stations will accept waste oil, resolving that
conundrum. We're not quite brave enough to do as some cruisers have, and
as
the US military does quite regularly, and that's recycle it in the diesel
fuel. It's basically filtered, dirty oil, and diesels will run on nearly
anything, recycled chinese restaurant oil, among them, or french-fryer oil,
fish fryer oil, and the like. Still, with a water cooled exhaust I'd worry
about what sort of accumulations might occur, so we recycle ashore.


Perhaps it is a little "picky" but the idea that since a diesel will
run on about any fuel - I believe that the original "diesel" engine
was built to run on powdered coal - can be a bit deceiving in that
while the engine will run on about anything the injection pump is a
high pressure piston pump (in the older designs) and that pump will
not stand a lot of abuse. As an example: Way back when the Indonesian
government subsidized kerosene as a cooking stove fuel many truckers
found that their diesel trucks ran very well on kerosene... But
kerosene is a extremely poor lubricant and in about a year all those
canny truckers were replacing their injection pumps :-)

I suggest that for the price it is better to run a diesel engine on
clean, filtered, diesel fuel.

Or perhaps budget for an injection pump replacement every year or so
:-)
However, Larry Butler (larryw4csc) has run his diesel van and car on
recycled Chinese food oil for at least 8 years.

His van is the pickup, another is responsible for the
storage/filtering
facility, and and a third handles all the paperwork. The restaurants
used
to have to pay to have it hauled away; they're delighted to have it
taken
for free, in the same plastic jugs it came in.

But I'll not be putting our oil down the tank, nor using anything
other than
normal pump fuel which will be well filtered by our polishing system.

L8R

Skip

(for some reason the complete original message was not displayed in
"reply". Skip's portion is cut and pasted from his posted original)

Used cooking oil has certain differences fron used engine oil as it
doesn't contain all those tiny metal wear particles or all the carbon
that turned the oil black, or any of the acid that can collect in
engine oil. In fact if the used engine oil contained no more
contaminates then used cooking oil there would be no sense in changing
it at all.

It might be of interest to know that large stationaly engines seldom
change oil at all, they use a "top up" system that ensures that the
oil level never drops below specified and very large oil filters :-)
--
cheers,

Bruce in Bangkok

On 5/11/2015 4:22 PM, Flying Pig wrote:


As you saw, that's what I do run on, in fact.

However, Larry Butler (larryw4csc) has run his diesel van and car on
recycled Chinese food oil for at least 8 years.

His van is the pickup, another is responsible for the storage/filtering
facility, and and a third handles all the paperwork. The restaurants
used to have to pay to have it hauled away; they're delighted to have it
taken for free, in the same plastic jugs it came in.

But I'll not be putting our oil down the tank, nor using anything other
than normal pump fuel which will be well filtered by our polishing system.

L8R

Skip


Makes no difference if you use motor oil or cooking oil -- the stuff
needs the heck filtered out of it. It's a myth that the Navy takes oil
from the engine and then pours it in the fuel tank.

Here's an outfit which may be the expert in this. FYI

https://usfiltermaxx.com/en/content/9-make-black-diesel

-paul


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On Tue, 12 May 2015 06:10:26 -0600, slide
wrote:

On 5/11/2015 4:22 PM, Flying Pig wrote:


As you saw, that's what I do run on, in fact.

However, Larry Butler (larryw4csc) has run his diesel van and car on
recycled Chinese food oil for at least 8 years.

His van is the pickup, another is responsible for the storage/filtering
facility, and and a third handles all the paperwork. The restaurants
used to have to pay to have it hauled away; they're delighted to have it
taken for free, in the same plastic jugs it came in.

But I'll not be putting our oil down the tank, nor using anything other
than normal pump fuel which will be well filtered by our polishing system.

L8R

Skip


Makes no difference if you use motor oil or cooking oil -- the stuff
needs the heck filtered out of it. It's a myth that the Navy takes oil
from the engine and then pours it in the fuel tank.

Here's an outfit which may be the expert in this. FYI

https://usfiltermaxx.com/en/content/9-make-black-diesel


===

Somewhere on the web is a US government spec on the proper way to
recycle crankcase oil. Basically it says to dilute the used oil 20 to
1 with diesel and then filter it through something like a 30 micron
racor. Letting any sludge settle out first is probably a good plan
although not specifically mentioned as I recall.

Here's another data point:

http://cleanairfleet.com/waste-oil-diesel-blenderfilter/

On Tue, 12 May 2015 10:50:35 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 12 May 2015 06:10:26 -0600, slide
wrote:

On 5/11/2015 4:22 PM, Flying Pig wrote:


As you saw, that's what I do run on, in fact.

However, Larry Butler (larryw4csc) has run his diesel van and car on
recycled Chinese food oil for at least 8 years.

His van is the pickup, another is responsible for the storage/filtering
facility, and and a third handles all the paperwork. The restaurants
used to have to pay to have it hauled away; they're delighted to have it
taken for free, in the same plastic jugs it came in.

But I'll not be putting our oil down the tank, nor using anything other
than normal pump fuel which will be well filtered by our polishing system.

L8R

Skip


Makes no difference if you use motor oil or cooking oil -- the stuff
needs the heck filtered out of it. It's a myth that the Navy takes oil
from the engine and then pours it in the fuel tank.

Here's an outfit which may be the expert in this. FYI

https://usfiltermaxx.com/en/content/9-make-black-diesel


===

Somewhere on the web is a US government spec on the proper way to
recycle crankcase oil. Basically it says to dilute the used oil 20 to
1 with diesel and then filter it through something like a 30 micron
racor. Letting any sludge settle out first is probably a good plan
although not specifically mentioned as I recall.

Here's another data point:

http://cleanairfleet.com/waste-oil-diesel-blenderfilter/

Years ago my grandfather was on a oil recovery program. He had a 55
gallon barrel and when he drained the old Model A he would dumped the
oil in the barrel., first, of course having dipped out the refill
quantity. Finally he sold the old Ford and bought a "new" to him GMC
pickup and for whatever reason stopped the oil recovery scheme. My
Uncle said that when the dumped that barrel there was nearly a foot of
settlings in the bottom.

By the way, My granddad bought that Model A when it was about two,
maybe three, years old and sold it in about 1948 - 9. Be bragged that
he bought it for $200 and sold it for $500 :-)
--
cheers,

Bruce in Bangkok