On 12/22/2011 12:20 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 12/22/11 12:15 PM, BAR wrote:
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"Wilbur wrote in message
news.com...
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BusinessWeek is carrying an article today that says that government
tests showed that the proposed LightSquared mobile service caused
interference to 75% of all GPS receivers tested.

The report can be found at: http://preview.tinyurl.com/7jyaazf

There is big money behind this. I'd recommend writing your elected
representatives and voicing your concerns.




It seems to me real sailors needn't be concerned about this at all.
Who
needs GPS inland or very near coastal anyway where landmarks and
navigation marks are eyeball visible?

.. sorry, but I have to agree with this view.

Car satnavs may be affected, but that's off topic.

Alisdair

Have you ever tried to drive your care in pea soup fog with a GPS?

Boaters try and do it all the time.


I've always found that a smile drives my cares away.

Here's one for you goober. ;-) Hope it helps.

On 12/22/2011 12:20 PM, X ` Man wrote:

I've always found that a smile drives my cares away.

With your caustic personality, I seriously doubt you ever smile.

X ` Man wrote:
On 12/22/11 12:15 PM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...

"Wilbur wrote in message
news.com...
wrote in message
...
BusinessWeek is carrying an article today that says that government
tests showed that the proposed LightSquared mobile service caused
interference to 75% of all GPS receivers tested.

The report can be found at: http://preview.tinyurl.com/7jyaazf

There is big money behind this. I'd recommend writing your elected
representatives and voicing your concerns.




It seems to me real sailors needn't be concerned about this at all.
Who
needs GPS inland or very near coastal anyway where landmarks and
navigation marks are eyeball visible?

.. sorry, but I have to agree with this view.

Car satnavs may be affected, but that's off topic.

Alisdair

Have you ever tried to drive your care in pea soup fog with a GPS?

Boaters try and do it all the time.


I've always found that a smile drives my cares away.

Is that what your psychiatrist taught you? Are you working on your
narcissism?

-HB

On Thu, 22 Dec 2011 16:18:38 -0000, "Alisdair Gurney"
wrote:

It seems to me real sailors needn't be concerned about this at all. Who
needs GPS inland or very near coastal anyway where landmarks and
navigation marks are eyeball visible?

.. sorry, but I have to agree with this view.

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Not really. A lot of navigation is done in coastal waterways and
inland rivers, some of it at night or in reduced visibility.

It turns out that one of the best connected opponents to the proposed
Lightspeed service is tractor manufacturer, John Deere. Apparently a
lot of new farm tractors are equipped with precision GPS units for the
purpose of accurate seed planting and other hi tech applications.

On 12/22/11 6:11 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 22 Dec 2011 16:18:38 -0000, "Alisdair Gurney"
wrote:

It seems to me real sailors needn't be concerned about this at all. Who
needs GPS inland or very near coastal anyway where landmarks and
navigation marks are eyeball visible?

.. sorry, but I have to agree with this view.

======

Not really. A lot of navigation is done in coastal waterways and
inland rivers, some of it at night or in reduced visibility.

It turns out that one of the best connected opponents to the proposed
Lightspeed service is tractor manufacturer, John Deere. Apparently a
lot of new farm tractors are equipped with precision GPS units for the
purpose of accurate seed planting and other hi tech applications.



Farmers have been using GPS guidance devices for years on their planting
and harvesting rigs. I see no reason to allow Lightspeed or anyone like
it to disrupt a service needed by many sectors of the economy.

--
http://flickr.com/gp/hakr/oR82kN

On 12/22/2011 6:11 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 22 Dec 2011 16:18:38 -0000, "Alisdair Gurney"
wrote:

It seems to me real sailors needn't be concerned about this at all. Who
needs GPS inland or very near coastal anyway where landmarks and
navigation marks are eyeball visible?

.. sorry, but I have to agree with this view.

======

Not really. A lot of navigation is done in coastal waterways and
inland rivers, some of it at night or in reduced visibility.

It turns out that one of the best connected opponents to the proposed
Lightspeed service is tractor manufacturer, John Deere. Apparently a
lot of new farm tractors are equipped with precision GPS units for the
purpose of accurate seed planting and other hi tech applications.


Been going on for a long time. GPS grids are running tractors, plowing,
planting, and working millions of acres with no drivers...

On Thu, 22 Dec 2011 18:46:22 -0500, JustWait
wrote:

On 12/22/2011 6:11 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 22 Dec 2011 16:18:38 -0000, "Alisdair Gurney"
wrote:

It seems to me real sailors needn't be concerned about this at all. Who
needs GPS inland or very near coastal anyway where landmarks and
navigation marks are eyeball visible?

.. sorry, but I have to agree with this view.

======

Not really. A lot of navigation is done in coastal waterways and
inland rivers, some of it at night or in reduced visibility.

It turns out that one of the best connected opponents to the proposed
Lightspeed service is tractor manufacturer, John Deere. Apparently a
lot of new farm tractors are equipped with precision GPS units for the
purpose of accurate seed planting and other hi tech applications.


Been going on for a long time. GPS grids are running tractors, plowing,
planting, and working millions of acres with no drivers...

===

Holy cannoli ! Robotic tractors? Hope none of them have been
drinking and plowing a wide furrow. :-)

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says...

On Thu, 22 Dec 2011 16:18:38 -0000, "Alisdair Gurney"
wrote:

It seems to me real sailors needn't be concerned about this at all. Who
needs GPS inland or very near coastal anyway where landmarks and
navigation marks are eyeball visible?

.. sorry, but I have to agree with this view.

======

Not really. A lot of navigation is done in coastal waterways and
inland rivers, some of it at night or in reduced visibility.

It turns out that one of the best connected opponents to the proposed
Lightspeed service is tractor manufacturer, John Deere. Apparently a
lot of new farm tractors are equipped with precision GPS units for the
purpose of accurate seed planting and other hi tech applications.

The increased yield from using GPS in farming is amazing.

"WaIIy" wrote in message
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On Fri, 16 Dec 2011 11:21:03 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
. ..
BusinessWeek is carrying an article today that says that government
tests showed that the proposed LightSquared mobile service caused
interference to 75% of all GPS receivers tested.

The report can be found at: http://preview.tinyurl.com/7jyaazf

There is big money behind this. I'd recommend writing your elected
representatives and voicing your concerns.




It seems to me real sailors needn't be concerned about this at all.
Who
needs GPS inland or very near coastal anyway where landmarks and
navigation marks are eyeball visible? Those who proceed down the
Intracoastal Waterway with eyes glued to their GPS readout are putzes
to
be sure.

It's obvious you haven't sailed at night.



Nighttime is for anchoring or docking when one is recreational sailing
inland waterways. And, even if one likes to take unnecessary chances
recreational sailing or even if one sails for a living commercially,
since the interference is only within 100 meters of a transmission
station, it will result in a GPS not being accurate for all of about
five seconds (your sample rate is probably not much greater this this)
when you're underway should you happen across such a station right in
the middle of the channel.

The concern about vessel navigation being compromised by this is a
laughable one.


Wilbur Hubbard

On 12/23/2011 6:46 PM, WaIIy wrote:
On Fri, 23 Dec 2011 12:30:38 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Fri, 16 Dec 2011 11:21:03 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

wrote in message
...
BusinessWeek is carrying an article today that says that government
tests showed that the proposed LightSquared mobile service caused
interference to 75% of all GPS receivers tested.

The report can be found at: http://preview.tinyurl.com/7jyaazf

There is big money behind this. I'd recommend writing your elected
representatives and voicing your concerns.




It seems to me real sailors needn't be concerned about this at all.
Who
needs GPS inland or very near coastal anyway where landmarks and
navigation marks are eyeball visible? Those who proceed down the
Intracoastal Waterway with eyes glued to their GPS readout are putzes
to
be sure.

It's obvious you haven't sailed at night.



Nighttime is for anchoring or docking when one is recreational sailing
inland waterways. And, even if one likes to take unnecessary chances
recreational sailing or even if one sails for a living commercially,
since the interference is only within 100 meters of a transmission
station, it will result in a GPS not being accurate for all of about
five seconds (your sample rate is probably not much greater this this)
when you're underway should you happen across such a station right in
the middle of the channel.

The concern about vessel navigation being compromised by this is a
laughable one.


Wilbur Hubbard



You said "Who needs GPS inland or very near coastal anyway where
landmarks andnavigation marks are eyeball visible?"

Like I said - It's obvious you have never sailed near coastal at night.
I've been trying to reason what gives with this corporate greed. No
doubt once they own the bandwidth they will seek to license access to
GPS frequencies they control or interfere with.
This stuff of Global Corporate Monopoly/government needs to be brought
to a screeching halt. Any conversation with our elected people, in
Washington just runs into gibberish, diversion and defense of the new
reality of Global economy, governance and supplier side rule.