In article ,
says...

On Thu, 15 Dec 2011 07:56:56 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

How will it end? The usual way: another corporate takeover of an area
that should be tightly regulated to protect the public's interest. And
we'll all probably have to subscribe for payment to some future
commercial GPS service.

===

That seems overly pessimistic. If there is enough grass roots
opposition, the proposal as it presently exists will be defeated.
That's why it is important that everyone write.

My best guess is that eventually Lightspeed will be forced to barter
with the FCC to get the use of some other frequencies.

Just more god damned government interference with free enterprise.
Let's hope Obama and his minions have read the tea leaves and keep their
hands off.
They just want to kill jobs.
They'll kill the Lightspeed jobs, and kill all the other jobs which will
be created by the marketplace to adjust to the new reality.
That's how the free market works.
Anybody who says otherwise is a commie and should shut their traps.
And move to North Korea or Cuba too!

North Star wrote:
On Dec 15, 11:12 am, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Dec 2011 07:56:56 -0500, X ` Man

wrote:
How will it end? The usual way: another corporate takeover of an area
that should be tightly regulated to protect the public's interest. And
we'll all probably have to subscribe for payment to some future
commercial GPS service.
===

That seems overly pessimistic. If there is enough grass roots
opposition, the proposal as it presently exists will be defeated.
That's why it is important that everyone write.

My best guess is that eventually Lightspeed will be forced to barter
with the FCC to get the use of some other frequencies.

I hope you are successful... what happens to you will happen to us.
Here on the coast, a good GPS can be a life saver...... especially
now that most boaters have been spoiled and probably rely too heavily
on the service.
You need a GPS to get that rowboat back to shore? Save the money and
get new prescription glasses.

-HB

In article b729b219-a136-4050-882b-1af65a81cd57
@i6g2000vbh.googlegroups.com, says...

On Dec 15, 12:15*pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 15 Dec 2011 07:54:01 -0800 (PST), North Star





wrote:
On Dec 15, 11:12*am, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 15 Dec 2011 07:56:56 -0500, X ` Man

wrote:
How will it end? The usual way: another corporate takeover of an area
that should be tightly regulated to protect the public's interest. And
we'll all probably have to subscribe for payment to some future
commercial GPS service.

===

That seems overly pessimistic. * If there is enough grass roots
opposition, the proposal as it presently exists will be defeated.
That's why it is important that everyone write.

My best guess is that eventually Lightspeed will be forced to barter
with the FCC to get the use of some other frequencies.

I hope you are successful... what happens to you will happen to us.
Here on the coast, a good GPS can be a life saver...... *especially
now that most boaters have been spoiled and probably rely too heavily
on the service.

===

A lot of folks have forgotten what it was like "in the good old days"
when we thought we were doing OK to know our position within a mile or
so. * LORAN-C was such a huge improvement that most of us rushed out
to buy one as soon as they became affordable because that usually
improved our accuracy to plus or minus100 yards. * LORAN is gone now
because GPS was another vast improvement, and without it, we'd be back
to hand bearing compass, dead reckoning and Radio Direction Finders
(extra points awarded if you understand that). *I still have our
original RDF purchased back in the early 1970s. *It was crude but
after sailing offshore all day in the fog it was a lot better than
nothing.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Every fall or winter when I might get bored, I think about buying a
sextant and taking the Jr Navigator & Navigation courses from our
local Power & Sail Squadron
Then I realize it's probably cheaper to invest in a 2nd maping GPS and
the urge fades.

Yeah, far be it from an idiot like you to want to learn anything,
Suckling Don the Coward!

On Dec 16, 9:32*am, iBoaterer wrote:
In article b729b219-a136-4050-882b-1af65a81cd57
@i6g2000vbh.googlegroups.com, says...







On Dec 15, 12:15*pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 15 Dec 2011 07:54:01 -0800 (PST), North Star

wrote:
On Dec 15, 11:12*am, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 15 Dec 2011 07:56:56 -0500, X ` Man

wrote:
How will it end? The usual way: another corporate takeover of an area
that should be tightly regulated to protect the public's interest.. And
we'll all probably have to subscribe for payment to some future
commercial GPS service.

===

That seems overly pessimistic. * If there is enough grass roots
opposition, the proposal as it presently exists will be defeated.
That's why it is important that everyone write.

My best guess is that eventually Lightspeed will be forced to barter
with the FCC to get the use of some other frequencies.

I hope you are successful... what happens to you will happen to us.
Here on the coast, a good GPS can be a life saver...... *especially
now that most boaters have been spoiled and probably rely too heavily
on the service.

===

A lot of folks have forgotten what it was like "in the good old days"
when we thought we were doing OK to know our position within a mile or
so. * LORAN-C was such a huge improvement that most of us rushed out
to buy one as soon as they became affordable because that usually
improved our accuracy to plus or minus100 yards. * LORAN is gone now
because GPS was another vast improvement, and without it, we'd be back
to hand bearing compass, dead reckoning and Radio Direction Finders
(extra points awarded if you understand that). *I still have our
original RDF purchased back in the early 1970s. *It was crude but
after sailing offshore all day in the fog it was a lot better than
nothing.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Every fall or winter when I might get bored, I think about buying a
sextant and taking the Jr Navigator & Navigation courses from our
local Power & Sail Squadron
Then I realize it's probably cheaper to invest in a 2nd maping GPS and
the urge fades.

Yeah, far be it from an idiot like you to want to learn anything,
Suckling Don the Coward!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well, I've learned that you are the biggest jackass and cowardly
NancyBoy in this newsgroup.
Of course, that's no great feat since you are painfully transparent.

In article a33def98-5241-47a7-8d7e-e93806a60430
@j10g2000vbe.googlegroups.com, says...

On Dec 16, 9:32*am, iBoaterer wrote:
In article b729b219-a136-4050-882b-1af65a81cd57
@i6g2000vbh.googlegroups.com, says...







On Dec 15, 12:15*pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 15 Dec 2011 07:54:01 -0800 (PST), North Star

wrote:
On Dec 15, 11:12*am, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 15 Dec 2011 07:56:56 -0500, X ` Man

wrote:
How will it end? The usual way: another corporate takeover of an area
that should be tightly regulated to protect the public's interest. And
we'll all probably have to subscribe for payment to some future
commercial GPS service.

===

That seems overly pessimistic. * If there is enough grass roots
opposition, the proposal as it presently exists will be defeated.
That's why it is important that everyone write.

My best guess is that eventually Lightspeed will be forced to barter
with the FCC to get the use of some other frequencies.

I hope you are successful... what happens to you will happen to us.
Here on the coast, a good GPS can be a life saver...... *especially
now that most boaters have been spoiled and probably rely too heavily
on the service.

===

A lot of folks have forgotten what it was like "in the good old days"
when we thought we were doing OK to know our position within a mile or
so. * LORAN-C was such a huge improvement that most of us rushed out
to buy one as soon as they became affordable because that usually
improved our accuracy to plus or minus100 yards. * LORAN is gone now
because GPS was another vast improvement, and without it, we'd be back
to hand bearing compass, dead reckoning and Radio Direction Finders
(extra points awarded if you understand that). *I still have our
original RDF purchased back in the early 1970s. *It was crude but
after sailing offshore all day in the fog it was a lot better than
nothing.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Every fall or winter when I might get bored, I think about buying a
sextant and taking the Jr Navigator & Navigation courses from our
local Power & Sail Squadron
Then I realize it's probably cheaper to invest in a 2nd maping GPS and
the urge fades.

Yeah, far be it from an idiot like you to want to learn anything,
Suckling Don the Coward!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well, I've learned that you are the biggest jackass and cowardly
NancyBoy in this newsgroup.
Of course, that's no great feat since you are painfully transparent.

Oh, really? YOU have backed down from every single bet you've ever made
here. YOU have backed down from meeting up with anybody by making
ridiculous demands just like your equally cowardly buddy Harry. I've
offered to meet Harry in the street in Huntingtown just like he said,
and he instantly backed down. You expected me to come damned near all of
the way to Halifax, because you are a coward. And what does your
statement have to do with the fact that you are an idiot and don't want
to learn anything, Suckling Don the Coward?

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
BusinessWeek is carrying an article today that says that government
tests showed that the proposed LightSquared mobile service caused
interference to 75% of all GPS receivers tested.

The report can be found at: http://preview.tinyurl.com/7jyaazf

There is big money behind this. I'd recommend writing your elected
representatives and voicing your concerns.




It seems to me real sailors needn't be concerned about this at all. Who
needs GPS inland or very near coastal anyway where landmarks and
navigation marks are eyeball visible? Those who proceed down the
Intracoastal Waterway with eyes glued to their GPS readout are putzes to
be sure.

It also seems to me that where a clean GPS signal is most needed, the
commercial broadcast will not have the range to reach out that far.
These signals are very weak and short-range. Lucky if they have a
workable range of a mile.

"The laboratory testing was performed for the National Space-Based
Positioning, Navigation, and Timing (PNT) Systems Engineering Forum, an
executive branch body that helps advise policy makers on issues around
GPS. It found that 69 of 92, or 75 percent, of receivers tested
"experienced harmful interference" at the equivalent of 100 meters (109
yards) from a LightSquared base station." - from link above.

If you regularly sail within a 100 meters of a transceiver station (they
won't be on the water, folks" then be worried - be very worried, but
those instances will be few and far between to non-existent.

Thank you and Merry Christmas.


Wilbur Hubbard

On Dec 16, 12:21*pm, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message

...

BusinessWeek is carrying an article today that says that government
tests showed that the proposed LightSquared mobile service caused
interference to 75% of all GPS receivers tested.

The report can be found at:http://preview.tinyurl.com/7jyaazf

There is big money behind this. * I'd recommend writing your elected
representatives and voicing your concerns.

It seems to me real sailors needn't be concerned about this at all. Who
needs GPS inland or very near coastal anyway where landmarks and
navigation marks are eyeball visible? Those who proceed down the
Intracoastal Waterway with eyes glued to their GPS readout are putzes to
be sure.

It also seems to me that where a clean GPS signal is most needed, the
commercial broadcast will not have the range to reach out that far.
These signals are very weak and short-range. Lucky if they have a
workable range of a mile.

"The laboratory testing was performed for the National Space-Based
Positioning, Navigation, and Timing (PNT) Systems Engineering Forum, an
executive branch body that helps advise policy makers on issues around
GPS. It found that 69 of 92, or 75 percent, of receivers tested
"experienced harmful interference" at the equivalent of 100 meters (109
yards) from a LightSquared base station." *- from link above.

If you regularly sail within a 100 meters of a transceiver station (they
won't be on the water, folks" then be worried - be very worried, but
those instances will be few and far between to non-existent.

Thank you and Merry Christmas.

Wilbur Hubbard

Celebrating Christmas again on that mustard yellow/mauve Coronado 27?

In article 3354b9e1-e0d9-4342-85a6-
,
says...

On Dec 16, 12:21*pm, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message

...

BusinessWeek is carrying an article today that says that government
tests showed that the proposed LightSquared mobile service caused
interference to 75% of all GPS receivers tested.

The report can be found at:http://preview.tinyurl.com/7jyaazf

There is big money behind this. * I'd recommend writing your elected
representatives and voicing your concerns.

It seems to me real sailors needn't be concerned about this at all. Who
needs GPS inland or very near coastal anyway where landmarks and
navigation marks are eyeball visible? Those who proceed down the
Intracoastal Waterway with eyes glued to their GPS readout are putzes to
be sure.

It also seems to me that where a clean GPS signal is most needed, the
commercial broadcast will not have the range to reach out that far.
These signals are very weak and short-range. Lucky if they have a
workable range of a mile.

"The laboratory testing was performed for the National Space-Based
Positioning, Navigation, and Timing (PNT) Systems Engineering Forum, an
executive branch body that helps advise policy makers on issues around
GPS. It found that 69 of 92, or 75 percent, of receivers tested
"experienced harmful interference" at the equivalent of 100 meters (109
yards) from a LightSquared base station." *- from link above.

If you regularly sail within a 100 meters of a transceiver station (they
won't be on the water, folks" then be worried - be very worried, but
those instances will be few and far between to non-existent.

Thank you and Merry Christmas.

Wilbur Hubbard

Celebrating Christmas again on that mustard yellow/mauve Coronado 27?

That's our Suckling Don, always quick to say crappy things about what
other's have, but doesn't like it when someone points out his paint
blistered house with garbage in the yard.

On Dec 16, 1:12*pm, iBoaterer wrote:
In article 3354b9e1-e0d9-4342-85a6-
,
says...







On Dec 16, 12:21*pm, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message

.. .

BusinessWeek is carrying an article today that says that government
tests showed that the proposed LightSquared mobile service caused
interference to 75% of all GPS receivers tested.

The report can be found at:http://preview.tinyurl.com/7jyaazf

There is big money behind this. * I'd recommend writing your elected
representatives and voicing your concerns.

It seems to me real sailors needn't be concerned about this at all. Who
needs GPS inland or very near coastal anyway where landmarks and
navigation marks are eyeball visible? Those who proceed down the
Intracoastal Waterway with eyes glued to their GPS readout are putzes to
be sure.

It also seems to me that where a clean GPS signal is most needed, the
commercial broadcast will not have the range to reach out that far.
These signals are very weak and short-range. Lucky if they have a
workable range of a mile.

"The laboratory testing was performed for the National Space-Based
Positioning, Navigation, and Timing (PNT) Systems Engineering Forum, an
executive branch body that helps advise policy makers on issues around
GPS. It found that 69 of 92, or 75 percent, of receivers tested
"experienced harmful interference" at the equivalent of 100 meters (109
yards) from a LightSquared base station." *- from link above.

If you regularly sail within a 100 meters of a transceiver station (they
won't be on the water, folks" then be worried - be very worried, but
those instances will be few and far between to non-existent.

Thank you and Merry Christmas.

Wilbur Hubbard

*Celebrating Christmas again on that mustard yellow/mauve Coronado 27?

That's our Suckling Don, always quick to say crappy things about what
other's have, but doesn't like it when someone points out his paint
blistered house with garbage in the yard.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Ah.. Kevin!
Are you saying that the mustard yellow/mauve paint scheme is
"crappy"? I said no such thing.
As a matter of fact, Capt Neil seems very proud of his Coronado 27 and
it's colours. He just might consider the acknowledgement of it as a
compliment.

In article c5da4e8d-e5c5-4d05-afe7-
,
says...

On Dec 16, 1:12*pm, iBoaterer wrote:
In article 3354b9e1-e0d9-4342-85a6-
,
says...







On Dec 16, 12:21*pm, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message

.. .

BusinessWeek is carrying an article today that says that government
tests showed that the proposed LightSquared mobile service caused
interference to 75% of all GPS receivers tested.

The report can be found at:http://preview.tinyurl.com/7jyaazf

There is big money behind this. * I'd recommend writing your elected
representatives and voicing your concerns.

It seems to me real sailors needn't be concerned about this at all. Who
needs GPS inland or very near coastal anyway where landmarks and
navigation marks are eyeball visible? Those who proceed down the
Intracoastal Waterway with eyes glued to their GPS readout are putzes to
be sure.

It also seems to me that where a clean GPS signal is most needed, the
commercial broadcast will not have the range to reach out that far.
These signals are very weak and short-range. Lucky if they have a
workable range of a mile.

"The laboratory testing was performed for the National Space-Based
Positioning, Navigation, and Timing (PNT) Systems Engineering Forum, an
executive branch body that helps advise policy makers on issues around
GPS. It found that 69 of 92, or 75 percent, of receivers tested
"experienced harmful interference" at the equivalent of 100 meters (109
yards) from a LightSquared base station." *- from link above.

If you regularly sail within a 100 meters of a transceiver station (they
won't be on the water, folks" then be worried - be very worried, but
those instances will be few and far between to non-existent.

Thank you and Merry Christmas.

Wilbur Hubbard

*Celebrating Christmas again on that mustard yellow/mauve Coronado 27?

That's our Suckling Don, always quick to say crappy things about what
other's have, but doesn't like it when someone points out his paint
blistered house with garbage in the yard.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Ah.. Kevin!
Are you saying that the mustard yellow/mauve paint scheme is
"crappy"? I said no such thing.
As a matter of fact, Capt Neil seems very proud of his Coronado 27 and
it's colours. He just might consider the acknowledgement of it as a
compliment.

Suckling Don the Coward, I, and everyone else, realizes that you are
calling me Kevin to deflect from your cowardly actions here. Also,
everyone here knows that your daddy Harry has taught you how to insult
without really seeming like you are the low life scum that you are. That
blistering, peeling paint and junk in your yard is really attractive!