On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 11:28:09 -0800, Mark Borgerson
wrote:

In article , jessicab47
says...

On Wed, 9 Mar 2011 22:39:40 -0800, Mark Borgerson
wrote:

In article s.com,
says...

"Bruce" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 09 Mar 2011 08:18:02 -0500, Gogarty
wrote:

In article ,
says...
On Tue, 8 Mar 2011 16:37:19 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Bruce" wrote in message
m...
snip


Willie-boy, I keep telling you and telling you that you exhibit your
lack of knowledge every time you open your mouth. My mate, the
Australian, is 76 years old and sails a 55 ft Ferro boat with a
mechanical anchor windless and gets along quite well single handing
it.

Of course, he IS a sailor, not a wantabe.
Cheers,




Nothing looks quite a silly as an old man with skinny arms off of which
the
skin hangs in folds standing on the bow of an overly large and
cumbersome
yacht pulling on the lever of a creaky old mechanical windlass, slowly
stroking away with one inch of chain coming in at a pull.

If that isn't a good enough argument for downsizing then nothing will
convince you.


Just goes to show you how little some people know about boats. People
who sail 50' ferro boats don't have an expensive lever operated
Simpson Lawrence winch. they have a geared two speed, local made,
fisherman windlass. the one with the exposed gears. See
http://motivationdocksupply.com/winc...nd-winches.php for an
example.

Wow! I will recommend those windlasses to my freind with the Endeavour 42.


Well... an Endeavour 42 IS a bit more upmarket then a ferrocement
boat, usually :-)


Those things are so S-L-O-W! (and ugly)

S-L-O-W and ugly are relative. Are you in such a big hurry that the
difference between 4Kt and 6Kt makea a big difference?

Mark Borgerson


I just did a simple calculation... say you wanted to go 1000 miles,
1000m/6mph = 7 days vs. 1000m/4mph = 10 days. This seems like a big
difference to me, but what do I know.

I guess I agree that ugly is relative.

That's a valid point for open ocean cruising. The faster voyage will
also reduce the supplies you have to carry. Of course, you can take
the speed thing a bit too far and end up with a boat that will be
dangerous in moderately heavy weather---particularly if operated
with a small crew.

Ok, but I don't understand the taking it too far comment. Are you
talking about pushing the limits of speed the boat can take and still
be safe?

I was think more of coastal cruising, particularly in trawler
yachts. In those boats, I often cruise at about 3 to 5 knots
as opposed to the 8 to 9 that the boat will do at full cruise.
The result is that I spend 5 hours a day between anchorages
instead of 2.5 and use less than half the fuel I would if traveling
the same distance at the faster speed. The scenery looks just
as nice and the boat is a lot quieter. I get twice the time to
react to floating logs and other hazards.

OIC. Even then, if you're trying to make it someplace for dinner, it
would still make sense to be able to go a bit faster. I guess then you
can just go ahead and waste fuel. I thought the discussion was about
sailing not using an engine.


Of course, the cruising I do here in the Pacific Northwest
is a bit different than that in Florida and the Caribbean.
The basic principles here a

1. If the weather is nice there won't be enough wind
to sail (80% of the sailboats I see have their engine
running.)

2. When the weather is rainy enough to have some wind,
the wind will be coming down the fjord when you are
going up, and vice-versa.

3. The current is always against you--and generally
over 2 knots.

4. If you insist on sailing, you will not make it
through Dodd Narrow on this afternoon's slack.

5. Ferry boat skippers will generally not run
over sailboats waiting for wind. But they will
surely be unhappy.

6. Gill nets are REALLY hard to see at 5 knots in
good weather. If there's enough wind to sail at
7 knots, there is a good probability that you will
really **** off some fisherman because you won't
see the net until you are too close. I saw some
really exciting jibes and tacks North of Campbell
river last summer.


If your goal is to go long distances, or to spend as much
time as possible at anchor, by all means, get the fastet
boat you can afford! ;-)


Mark Borgerson


I can afford a Honda. LOL

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In article , jessicab47
@hush.com says...

On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 11:28:09 -0800, Mark Borgerson
wrote:

In article , jessicab47
says...

On Wed, 9 Mar 2011 22:39:40 -0800, Mark Borgerson
wrote:

In article s.com,
says...

"Bruce" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 09 Mar 2011 08:18:02 -0500, Gogarty
wrote:

In article ,
says...
On Tue, 8 Mar 2011 16:37:19 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Bruce" wrote in message
m...
snip


Willie-boy, I keep telling you and telling you that you exhibit your
lack of knowledge every time you open your mouth. My mate, the
Australian, is 76 years old and sails a 55 ft Ferro boat with a
mechanical anchor windless and gets along quite well single handing
it.

Of course, he IS a sailor, not a wantabe.
Cheers,




Nothing looks quite a silly as an old man with skinny arms off of which
the
skin hangs in folds standing on the bow of an overly large and
cumbersome
yacht pulling on the lever of a creaky old mechanical windlass, slowly
stroking away with one inch of chain coming in at a pull.

If that isn't a good enough argument for downsizing then nothing will
convince you.


Just goes to show you how little some people know about boats. People
who sail 50' ferro boats don't have an expensive lever operated
Simpson Lawrence winch. they have a geared two speed, local made,
fisherman windlass. the one with the exposed gears. See
http://motivationdocksupply.com/winc...nd-winches.php for an
example.

Wow! I will recommend those windlasses to my freind with the Endeavour 42.


Well... an Endeavour 42 IS a bit more upmarket then a ferrocement
boat, usually :-)


Those things are so S-L-O-W! (and ugly)

S-L-O-W and ugly are relative. Are you in such a big hurry that the
difference between 4Kt and 6Kt makea a big difference?

Mark Borgerson


I just did a simple calculation... say you wanted to go 1000 miles,
1000m/6mph = 7 days vs. 1000m/4mph = 10 days. This seems like a big
difference to me, but what do I know.

I guess I agree that ugly is relative.

That's a valid point for open ocean cruising. The faster voyage will
also reduce the supplies you have to carry. Of course, you can take
the speed thing a bit too far and end up with a boat that will be
dangerous in moderately heavy weather---particularly if operated
with a small crew.

Ok, but I don't understand the taking it too far comment. Are you
talking about pushing the limits of speed the boat can take and still
be safe?

I was thinking more of the ultra-light boats with the big rigs.
They're very fast, but can be dangerous in heavy weather with
a small crew.

I was think more of coastal cruising, particularly in trawler
yachts. In those boats, I often cruise at about 3 to 5 knots
as opposed to the 8 to 9 that the boat will do at full cruise.
The result is that I spend 5 hours a day between anchorages
instead of 2.5 and use less than half the fuel I would if traveling
the same distance at the faster speed. The scenery looks just
as nice and the boat is a lot quieter. I get twice the time to
react to floating logs and other hazards.

OIC. Even then, if you're trying to make it someplace for dinner, it
would still make sense to be able to go a bit faster. I guess then you
can just go ahead and waste fuel. I thought the discussion was about
sailing not using an engine.

In the Pacific Northwest, even the sailboats use their engines a
lot of the time.

Of course, the cruising I do here in the Pacific Northwest
is a bit different than that in Florida and the Caribbean.
The basic principles here a

1. If the weather is nice there won't be enough wind
to sail (80% of the sailboats I see have their engine
running.)

2. When the weather is rainy enough to have some wind,
the wind will be coming down the fjord when you are
going up, and vice-versa.

3. The current is always against you--and generally
over 2 knots.

4. If you insist on sailing, you will not make it
through Dodd Narrow on this afternoon's slack.

5. Ferry boat skippers will generally not run
over sailboats waiting for wind. But they will
surely be unhappy.

6. Gill nets are REALLY hard to see at 5 knots in
good weather. If there's enough wind to sail at
7 knots, there is a good probability that you will
really **** off some fisherman because you won't
see the net until you are too close. I saw some
really exciting jibes and tacks North of Campbell
river last summer.


If your goal is to go long distances, or to spend as much
time as possible at anchor, by all means, get the fastet
boat you can afford! ;-)


Mark Borgerson


I can afford a Honda. LOL

Mark Borgerson

On Sat, 12 Mar 2011 11:17:47 -0800, Mark Borgerson
wrote:

In article , jessicab47
says...

On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 11:28:09 -0800, Mark Borgerson
wrote:

In article , jessicab47
says...

On Wed, 9 Mar 2011 22:39:40 -0800, Mark Borgerson
wrote:

In article s.com,
says...

"Bruce" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 09 Mar 2011 08:18:02 -0500, Gogarty
wrote:

In article ,
says...
On Tue, 8 Mar 2011 16:37:19 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Bruce" wrote in message
m...
snip


Willie-boy, I keep telling you and telling you that you exhibit your
lack of knowledge every time you open your mouth. My mate, the
Australian, is 76 years old and sails a 55 ft Ferro boat with a
mechanical anchor windless and gets along quite well single handing
it.

Of course, he IS a sailor, not a wantabe.
Cheers,




Nothing looks quite a silly as an old man with skinny arms off of which
the
skin hangs in folds standing on the bow of an overly large and
cumbersome
yacht pulling on the lever of a creaky old mechanical windlass, slowly
stroking away with one inch of chain coming in at a pull.

If that isn't a good enough argument for downsizing then nothing will
convince you.


Just goes to show you how little some people know about boats. People
who sail 50' ferro boats don't have an expensive lever operated
Simpson Lawrence winch. they have a geared two speed, local made,
fisherman windlass. the one with the exposed gears. See
http://motivationdocksupply.com/winc...nd-winches.php for an
example.

Wow! I will recommend those windlasses to my freind with the Endeavour 42.


Well... an Endeavour 42 IS a bit more upmarket then a ferrocement
boat, usually :-)


Those things are so S-L-O-W! (and ugly)

S-L-O-W and ugly are relative. Are you in such a big hurry that the
difference between 4Kt and 6Kt makea a big difference?

Mark Borgerson


I just did a simple calculation... say you wanted to go 1000 miles,
1000m/6mph = 7 days vs. 1000m/4mph = 10 days. This seems like a big
difference to me, but what do I know.

I guess I agree that ugly is relative.

That's a valid point for open ocean cruising. The faster voyage will
also reduce the supplies you have to carry. Of course, you can take
the speed thing a bit too far and end up with a boat that will be
dangerous in moderately heavy weather---particularly if operated
with a small crew.

Ok, but I don't understand the taking it too far comment. Are you
talking about pushing the limits of speed the boat can take and still
be safe?

I was thinking more of the ultra-light boats with the big rigs.
They're very fast, but can be dangerous in heavy weather with
a small crew.

OIC... well, I guess a really small boat going fast or slow wouldn't
be as safe as a bigger boat in bad weather?


I was think more of coastal cruising, particularly in trawler
yachts. In those boats, I often cruise at about 3 to 5 knots
as opposed to the 8 to 9 that the boat will do at full cruise.
The result is that I spend 5 hours a day between anchorages
instead of 2.5 and use less than half the fuel I would if traveling
the same distance at the faster speed. The scenery looks just
as nice and the boat is a lot quieter. I get twice the time to
react to floating logs and other hazards.

OIC. Even then, if you're trying to make it someplace for dinner, it
would still make sense to be able to go a bit faster. I guess then you
can just go ahead and waste fuel. I thought the discussion was about
sailing not using an engine.

In the Pacific Northwest, even the sailboats use their engines a
lot of the time.

I believe you. I just thought this was about sailing not using an
engine. What about on a slightly longer trip.. wouldn't you want to
use sail power as much as you can, so you don't run out?

snip

OIC... well, I guess a really small boat going fast or slow wouldn't
be as safe as a bigger boat in bad weather?


Dear Jessibur B

Your a woman think of it in terms of a cock; really small going fast
or bigger and faster. What has your experince been my dear?

Robert Pennington Rexroth

"Bob" wrote in message
...
OIC... well, I guess a really small boat going fast or slow wouldn't
be as safe as a bigger boat in bad weather?


Dear Jessibur B

Your a woman think of it in terms of a cock; really small going fast
or bigger and faster. What has your experince been my dear?

Robert Pennington Rexroth





Jessica thinks that men who talk about cock size are not very evolved. I
have to agree with her.

Take a hike, Neanderthal!


Wilbur Hubbard

On Mar 17, 10:11*am, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:
"Bob" wrote in message

...

OIC... well, I guess a really small boat going fast or slow wouldn't
be as safe as a bigger boat in bad weather?

Dear Jessibur B
Your a woman think of it in terms of a cock; really small going fast
or bigger and faster. What has your experince been my dear?
Robert Pennington Rexroth

Jessica thinks that men who talk about cock size are not very evolved. I
have to agree with her.
Take a hike, Neanderthal!
Wilbur Hubbard



Dear Wilbur,

Your own insecurity about penis size is reflected in Jessibur/Willica
personona.
The thing many men dont want to know about is what women really thinnk
when it comes to cock size. Size DOES matter to a woman its just that
many woman will only admit it in very hushed conversations while
others, more confident and disclosive, will openly declair that a big
dick is a VERY interesting thing to contemplate...

Jessica apears to be a confident capable character.... therefore she
would be very open to a big cock. But there are regional valuse that
prohibit proper ladies from discussion such matters in an open
forum,,,,, butwhen be hind closed doors with a trusted girlfriend the
subtle cues of interest are obvious to those who care to take time and
hear.

My dear will bur, writing for a characte is a very dificult task
requiring a significan writing skills. A skills you are still
developing. The author must truely "become" the other person and that
is near impossible for you... Why? becaure you are an ill educated,
old white typical conservative male. Its not in your nature and you
lack the skills to actually want to learn about someone else. in other
words you can not walk a mile, let alone a few feet, in another
persons (notice i didnot use MAN'S) shoes. Christ man.... just look
what youve been doing here for so many years.... ranting venting
spewing, in an effort to show case your maritime knowledge BUT seldom
do I see any efort on your part to ask questions, seek information,
use those communication skills necessary to understand and learn from
another person. My dear sir yuo will never have a healty relationship
with another person because it is all about Willbur.

I emagin you were a single child maybe you had siblings but they were
much older than you or you were the "golden child" the spoiled
favorite. You were raised with a sense that you could do what you
wanted and that you were always right. You were also most likly one of
those bright nurdy kids in grade school. Smart but not popular and
when you graduated fro HS didnt attend college or if you did never
finished. That is why you are such a verbos know-it-all here..... THis
is your stage to scream: I AM WILLBUR! I AM SMARTER THAN YOU! Yup, u
got lots of frustration willbur. It must be a terible feeling
beleiving you are smarter thatn everyone else but no way to prove it
and no one to listen............................... except here


But Ill listen Willbur
Tell me how bad it feels...............

"Bob" wrote in message
...
On Mar 17, 10:11 am, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:
"Bob" wrote in message

...

OIC... well, I guess a really small boat going fast or slow wouldn't
be as safe as a bigger boat in bad weather?

Dear Jessibur B
Your a woman think of it in terms of a cock; really small going fast
or bigger and faster. What has your experince been my dear?
Robert Pennington Rexroth

Jessica thinks that men who talk about cock size are not very evolved. I
have to agree with her.
Take a hike, Neanderthal!
Wilbur Hubbard



:: Dear Wilbur,
::
:: Your own insecurity about penis size is reflected in Jessibur/Willica
:: personona.
:: The thing many men dont want to know about is what women really thinnk
:: when it comes to cock size. Size DOES matter to a woman its just that
:: many woman will only admit it in very hushed conversations while
:: others, more confident and disclosive, will openly declair that a big
:: dick is a VERY interesting thing to contemplate...


What an idiot you are Bob! You're treating Jessica like she's some kind of
dumb bimbo and that's the very thing she hates the most. Get a clue. Pay
particular attention to the part not wanting to meet airheads. LOL!

From Jessica's MySpace page:

About me:
Single, White, Female, smart, sexy... Did I mention smart?

Who I'd like to meet:
No, I don't want to meet you if you're a muscle boy, an airhead, or you just
want to get laid. I'd like to meet someone who's polite, nice looking,
funny. Say something funny, and at least you'll get my attention instead of
a block. I'm still waiting for one actually funny or intelligent message...
so far, it's "you're cute" (so?) or "wassup?" (that's all you have to say?)
Where are the decent guys???

General
Guys (no I don't want to see your penis). Things that are important!
Reading! Being on the beach with a great book!

Music
Classic rock, Class jazz, Classic classical

Movies
You're not going to like it... I like old movies. Casablanca, The Maltese
Falcon, anything Bogart.

Television
Don't watch much...


:: Jessica apears to be a confident capable character.... therefore she
:: would be very open to a big cock. But there are regional valuse that
:: prohibit proper ladies from discussion such matters in an open
:: forum,,,,, but when behind closed doors with a trusted girlfriend the
:: subtle cues of interest are obvious to those who care to take time and
:: hear.

Read the part where she says she's smart (twice). She's way out of your
league, dummy!


:: My dear will bur, writing for a characte is a very dificult task
:: requiring a significan writing skills. A skills you are still
:: developing. The author must truely "become" the other person and that
:: is near impossible for you... Why? becaure you are an ill educated,
:: old white typical conservative male. Its not in your nature and you
:: lack the skills to actually want to learn about someone else. in other
:: words you can not walk a mile, let alone a few feet, in another
:: persons (notice i didnot use MAN'S) shoes. Christ man.... just look
:: what youve been doing here for so many years.... ranting venting
:: spewing, in an effort to show case your maritime knowledge BUT seldom
:: do I see any efort on your part to ask questions, seek information,
:: use those communication skills necessary to understand and learn from
:: another person. My dear sir yuo will never have a healty relationship
:: with another person because it is all about Willbur.

Says the moron who is too dumb to understand that Jessica B is a real girl,
not some sock puppet of mine. As for my seeking information and asking
quesions about sailing, I'll do that if and when somebody shows up around
here who is more experienced and knowlegeable - which will be a long time
coming. I am more in my element teaching than asking questions. Somebody has
got to push back all this liberal, feel good crap that has resulted in a
slovenly and irresponsible attitude toward sailing.

:: I emagin you were a single child maybe you had siblings but they were
:: much older than you or you were the "golden child" the spoiled
:: favorite. You were raised with a sense that you could do what you
:: wanted and that you were always right. You were also most likly one of
:: those bright nurdy kids in grade school. Smart but not popular and
:: when you graduated fro HS didnt attend college or if you did never
:: finished. That is why you are such a verbos know-it-all here..... THis
:: is your stage to scream: I AM WILLBUR! I AM SMARTER THAN YOU! Yup, u
:: got lots of frustration willbur. It must be a terible feeling
:: beleiving you are smarter thatn everyone else but no way to prove it
:: and no one to listen............................... except here
::


LOL! Wrong, wrong, wrong and wrong. Boy, are you dumb. Did it ever occur to
you that it is your stupidity that makes others who are intelligent appear
to "know it all?"



Wilbur Hubbard

On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 11:06:17 -0700 (PDT), Bob
wrote:

On Mar 17, 10:11*am, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:
"Bob" wrote in message

...

OIC... well, I guess a really small boat going fast or slow wouldn't
be as safe as a bigger boat in bad weather?

Dear Jessibur B
Your a woman think of it in terms of a cock; really small going fast
or bigger and faster. What has your experince been my dear?
Robert Pennington Rexroth

Jessica thinks that men who talk about cock size are not very evolved. I
have to agree with her.
Take a hike, Neanderthal!
Wilbur Hubbard



Dear Wilbur,

Your own insecurity about penis size is reflected in Jessibur/Willica
personona.
The thing many men dont want to know about is what women really thinnk
when it comes to cock size. Size DOES matter to a woman its just that
many woman will only admit it in very hushed conversations while
others, more confident and disclosive, will openly declair that a big
dick is a VERY interesting thing to contemplate...

Jessica apears to be a confident capable character.... therefore she
would be very open to a big cock. But there are regional valuse that
prohibit proper ladies from discussion such matters in an open
forum,,,,, butwhen be hind closed doors with a trusted girlfriend the
subtle cues of interest are obvious to those who care to take time and
hear.

My dear will bur, writing for a characte is a very dificult task
requiring a significan writing skills. A skills you are still
developing. The author must truely "become" the other person and that
is near impossible for you... Why? becaure you are an ill educated,
old white typical conservative male. Its not in your nature and you
lack the skills to actually want to learn about someone else. in other
words you can not walk a mile, let alone a few feet, in another
persons (notice i didnot use MAN'S) shoes. Christ man.... just look
what youve been doing here for so many years.... ranting venting
spewing, in an effort to show case your maritime knowledge BUT seldom
do I see any efort on your part to ask questions, seek information,
use those communication skills necessary to understand and learn from
another person. My dear sir yuo will never have a healty relationship
with another person because it is all about Willbur.

I emagin you were a single child maybe you had siblings but they were
much older than you or you were the "golden child" the spoiled
favorite. You were raised with a sense that you could do what you
wanted and that you were always right. You were also most likly one of
those bright nurdy kids in grade school. Smart but not popular and
when you graduated fro HS didnt attend college or if you did never
finished. That is why you are such a verbos know-it-all here..... THis
is your stage to scream: I AM WILLBUR! I AM SMARTER THAN YOU! Yup, u
got lots of frustration willbur. It must be a terible feeling
beleiving you are smarter thatn everyone else but no way to prove it
and no one to listen............................... except here


But Ill listen Willbur
Tell me how bad it feels...............

Certainly Willie-boy must have been an only child.

Can you imagination anyone wanting more like Willie?
Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 13:11:20 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Bob" wrote in message
...
OIC... well, I guess a really small boat going fast or slow wouldn't
be as safe as a bigger boat in bad weather?


Dear Jessibur B

Your a woman think of it in terms of a cock; really small going fast
or bigger and faster. What has your experince been my dear?

Robert Pennington Rexroth





Jessica thinks that men who talk about cock size are not very evolved. I
have to agree with her.

Take a hike, Neanderthal!


Wilbur Hubbard


Thank you!